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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Phred]
    #5564793 - 04/27/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Phred]
    #5564885 - 04/27/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So he emigrated from Africa and says that Africans shouldn't be allowed into the United States?


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Phred]
    #5565029 - 04/27/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Interesting read.


The reason I have always been fascinated with Africa is because its the birthplace of mankind. I saw a special on PBS where this geneticist traced human migration from Africa to India and Asia, where it branched off in three directions: North America, Australia, and Europe. He did this by taking blood samples from people in all these regions and analyzing their genes.

The basic conclusion was that all human beings from all races have ancestors in Africa. He even found a tribe in Africa that was incredible! They had black skin, asian eyes, and european noses! So basically, Africans are the 'master strain' of humanity, and all other races are essentially mutations of Africans.




I have a personal theory that goes beyond this, although it may be misinterpreted as racism by some people. If all races came from Africans, then the physical, social, and psychological differences in the races were mainly determined by the environments in which they started their civilizations. Europe and Russia had the harshest environment when compared to Africa, Mesopotamia, Asia, Australia, and the Americas. This harsh environment had many effects on the european genotype. It thinned the heard, and encouraged social cooperative behavior. Perhaps the reason the european genotype runs the world today is because we chose the wrong (or right, from an evolutionary perspective) place to settle!


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5565078 - 04/27/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You have a hypothesis, not a theory.

Africa isn't harsh? Americas weren't harsh during the Ice Age when humans got here? Mespotamia with its constant floods isn't harsh? Well, not as many floods anymore cause all the fucking rivers are damned or drying out.

You also seem to be forgetting that Europe was a mess during Middle Ages, mainly due to religion. Islamic Empires were MUCH MUCH more advanced than Europeans at the time. But hey, then religious extremists took power in the Islamic Empire and did the same shit that European religious freaks did to themselves.

Also Indians were the ones that contributed a lot mathematics. Heh, Arabs, Muslims, Greeks, Romans, etc. got all their shit from India. Well, one got it from India, then passed it on to another, yada yada yada yada. India even had indoor plumbing way way way before the Middle Ages.

The white skin was caused by a mutation. There are less UV rays in the northern hemisphere, shouldn't that apply as being less harsh?

Every civilization has it's time, Mongols had theirs, Muslims had theirs, now it's the European's turn. Who's next to dominate the world?


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: downforpot]
    #5565153 - 04/27/06 11:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well, evolution is a constant struggle that ebbs and flows in the favor of different genotypes at different time periods. At the current time, I think that the europeans are on top. But we could easily screw that up in just a few generations. The european position at the top is tenuous at best.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5565181 - 04/27/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yep, it's just a matter of timing, environment, and the organism. Except there's really almost nothing genetically different between all races of the world. I have black friends who are geniuses, Iranian professors that are smart as fuck.

Society and genetics are two different things. I doubt that Europeans suddenly got smarter at the end of Dark Ages due to evolution. It was more of a social change.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: downforpot]
    #5565224 - 04/27/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

honestly, I haven't studied or compared the genes of all the races, so I really have no idea how different they are from eachother.  I'm not a geneticist by any means, and only an amatuer evolutionary psychologist. 

thanks you for discussing my hypothesis with me without calling me Hitler.  You know, all of us Germans have a little Hitler in us.  I've made my peace with mine. 

its been enlightening, but I gotta go to bed.  later :thumbup:


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5565950 - 04/28/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So let me say what everyone in this thread is thinking.

If Africa has not evolved past primal warfare and the only technology remnant in the country is the one abandoned by past settlers, then the only other option left responsible for the decay of the continent is the incompetency and inability of the people. Meaning, they aren't as mentally evolved as whites or asians.

What's the solution to their disease, famine, and wild beast attacks? "a high wall around the whole continent, all the guns and bombs in the world for everyone inside".

Does that mean we should barricade all black countries altogether, then? I mean, the things going on inside Haiti could very well be considered hell on earth. While we're at it, lets face the problems in our own countries, put high walls around the ghettos, and reistablish the apartheid system. Just look how well South Africa's economy was before the apartheid regime was taken out by the UN! Now it's just a country driven by some mindless evil of thugs and looters grabbing and destroying everything they get their hands on.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Fospher]
    #5566024 - 04/28/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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"The reason I have always been fascinated with Africa is because its the birthplace of mankind. I saw a special on PBS where this geneticist traced human migration from Africa to India and Asia, where it branched off in three directions: North America, Australia, and Europe. He did this by taking blood samples from people in all these regions and analyzing their genes. "




i saw that evolution video as well.. fascinating!


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Noetical]
    #5566026 - 04/28/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nigeria's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world let alone Africa.


But remember that doesn't mean the people are seeing any benefit. That's why you've got the ogone people holding western oil workers hostage.

Africa is poor because there is no investment

Shell have invested massively. The people are still dirt poor. Just saying "investment" doesn't mean anything. It's how you invest and who sees the profits.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5566031 - 04/28/06 05:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If the oil industry is looting Africa as you have implied, if they are taking Africa's petrochemical reasources without giving Africans fair market value for those resources

Look at the situation in the Niger delta. Do you seriously believe the Ogoni people have got fair market value for having their land destroyed?

your assertion that Africa is being looted doesn't bear close examination

Read up on what's happening on the Niger delta and then tell us what you think.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Alex213]
    #5566095 - 04/28/06 06:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Why are African decendents poorer on average than non-blacks in most places in the world? Why is the average IQ of black people lower than other races? Why do black people commit more crimes? Why do black males have bigger penises on average than other races?


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Fospher]
    #5566402 - 04/28/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fospher said:
So let me say what everyone in this thread is thinking.

If Africa has not evolved past primal warfare and the only technology remnant in the country is the one abandoned by past settlers, then the only other option left responsible for the decay of the continent is the incompetency and inability of the people. Meaning, they aren't as mentally evolved as whites or asians.

What's the solution to their disease, famine, and wild beast attacks? "a high wall around the whole continent, all the guns and bombs in the world for everyone inside".

Does that mean we should barricade all black countries altogether, then? I mean, the things going on inside Haiti could very well be considered hell on earth. While we're at it, lets face the problems in our own countries, put high walls around the ghettos, and reistablish the apartheid system. Just look how well South Africa's economy was before the apartheid regime was taken out by the UN! Now it's just a country driven by some mindless evil of thugs and looters grabbing and destroying everything they get their hands on.




So blacks are less intelligent than whites?


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5566410 - 04/28/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Rogues_Pierre said:
Why are African decendents poorer on average than non-blacks in most places in the world? Why is the average IQ of black people lower than other races? Why do black people commit more crimes? Why do black males have bigger penises on average than other races?




Which blacks? The ones that were taken care of by their parents and went to good schools? The ones that were in Ghetto? Which ones? I want an answer from you.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Alex213]
    #5566413 - 04/28/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Nigeria's economy is one of the fastest growing in the world let alone Africa.


But remember that doesn't mean the people are seeing any benefit. That's why you've got the ogone people holding western oil workers hostage.

Africa is poor because there is no investment

Shell have invested massively. The people are still dirt poor. Just saying "investment" doesn't mean anything. It's how you invest and who sees the profits.




Shell has been funding paramilitary forces to protect their pipe lines and other shit for a very long time. Well, they just give money to tribes to buy weapons and in turn the tribes protect them.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Phred]
    #5566690 - 04/28/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is important to know that your "african" who wants to build a wall around africa and throw enough weaponry over the wall so that "they" kill themselves is a white south african who left south africa when apartheid fell.

I don't think he means the white south africans when he talks of the continent, so its important to make this distinction.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5567017 - 04/28/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It discourages foreign investment.



Darwin's Nightmare. Good film.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Asante]
    #5567025 - 04/28/06 01:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It is important to know that your "african" who wants to build a wall around africa and throw enough weaponry over the wall so that "they" kill themselves is a white south african who left south africa when apartheid fell.




It is even more important to know he grew up as an anti-apartheid activist, and even did time in a South African jail for his anti-apartheid activities.



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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5567099 - 04/28/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Africa's poverty has always been a mystery to me. Although they are one of the richest continents in raw resources (minerals, diamonds, oil, nuclear fuel), they are one of the poorest continents in monetary wealth.


If you're really interested I'd recomend the book "Guns, Germs and steel". Lack of fertile land and animals that could be domesticated are the key.


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Re: I think I finally realized why Africa is so poor [Re: Phred]
    #5567763 - 04/28/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It is even more important to know he grew up as an anti-apartheid activist, and even did time in a South African jail for his anti-apartheid activities.




Touch? :thumbup:


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