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Gass Guzzlers
#5561502 - 04/27/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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This isn't a very popular opinion, but I believe that SUVs are inefficient, unsafe and all around badly designed vehicles. Their popularity is both a testament to human stupidity and disproof of the unconditional validity of free market capitalism.
As an owner of a compact car, SUVs make me feel unsafe on the road. I would hate to ever be in a crash with one.
Also, they pollute the air I breathe moreso than other cars.
My final complaint against the SUV is that it is dangerously inefficient, especially in our current energy crisis. SUV's cause increased demand for gas which forces me to pay more per gallon even though I don't own an SUV.
I seriously believe that oil supplies would go up and prices would go down if SUVs did not exist. Foreign relations would be better, as America wouldn't look as much like greedy pigs, consuming 20 million barrels a day while China, whose population is 5 times ours, consumes only 6.5 million.
If I had it my way, SUVs and large trucks would be prohibited by law unless they were being used to transport multiple passengers or heavy cargo.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5561611 - 04/27/06 03:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not going to go down very well Doctor. There's a lot of proud SUV owners on the board...
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Alex213]
#5561629 - 04/27/06 03:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should read "High and Mighty" it's a book about the dangers of SUV's/Trucks and the problems that they pose for the owners and the rest of society.
It's quite an enlightening read from a fairly competent expert.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5561701 - 04/27/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think SUVs are gross, but then I mostly see them as a local problem.
British infrastructure is just not built for them. The worst use of SUVs in my experience is the school run. Parents get them 'to feel safe', but they often have to park on the pavement to allow traffic to pass, smashing it up (my council tax) and forcing buggies and wheelchairs into the road, blocking line of sight at crossing (usually near a school at a time when kids are coming or going), and choke up the air in town. And the drivers tend to have no bloody road sense at all, after all they don't need it because they are in their little tank. </rant>
BTW: I think stacking the blame on SUVs for all the worlds oil/environmental issues is fatuous, it singles out one of many inefficient energy users while clouding real arguments with class war.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5562330 - 04/27/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: As an owner of a compact car, SUVs make me feel unsafe on the road. I would hate to ever be in a crash with one.
Been there. Totaled my car at a measly 30 mph! Knocked the other guys license plate off! Well, I suppose when you're T-boned you get the short stick no matter who hits you...but there went my dreams of owning a SmartCar. I'd have been a greasespot in a SmartCar.
And also on my bicycle. Why is it illegal to ride on the sidewalk? (Thankfully I can still *walk* on the sidewalk, nyah nyah!)
What makes me laugh is the people who claim SUVs are necessary because they're too fat to fit in a regular car. Or maybe it makes me cry...so hard to tell the difference these days.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5562372 - 04/27/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Speaking as someone that does own an SUV, I can assure you that the way gas prices are going, if I could get by just driving a smartcar I would....(even though they are gay as hell) But I live in Western Canada...The Rocky Mountains are 40 minutes away from me, and there is snow on the ground for most of the year. (That is not even taking into account how much camping I do)
The point being, that while I agree with you in the fact that many people who own SUVs do not need them (I.E. soccer moms) There is a considerable number of people that do require a more rugged form of transportation, albeit less fuel efficient.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Rono]
#5562496 - 04/27/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where you live thats fine, where I live they are a menace. No one needs a SUV in London or any big city really. A weed is just a plant in the wrong place, just as are SUVs around town.
Its down to local areas to consider SUVs, just as they would other heavy traffic, maybe limiting access during peak times.
If they are a road safety issue and the stats show it, they should be considered as are heavy vehicles, that they requiring additional handling qualifications.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Rono]
#5562697 - 04/27/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rono said: But I live in Western Canada...The Rocky Mountains are 40 minutes away from me, and there is snow on the ground for most of the year.
That's a bit different than needing it because you can't fit in a regular car, isn't it? I have a friend who also lives near the range and swears by his four wheel drive station wagon, which is probably how I'd go, myself. Winter is the driest season of the year here, so I guess the reasoning is people around here have to own SUVs or they look like pansies compared with all the farm trucks. Having an SUV certainly never saved any of the dumbfounded around here when it does snow, instead it gives them an excuse to rollover on the highway. Though judging from the scene on the I this morning, they don't really need the excuse.
I wouldn't try to take the farm trucks away from the farmers, either. Awfully hard to haul livestock in a SmartCar.
It's really not so much of an SUV problem, it's an urban sprawl problem. Solving the sprawl issue would make the SUV issue moot.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5562815 - 04/27/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What is the relevance your (often mistaken) beliefs about vehicles classified as SUVs have in relation to politics or activism or law?
Are you saying they should be outlawed? Are you saying people should protest their sale? Let's have a tie-in, or there's no point leaving the thread open.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5562919 - 04/27/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't drive an SUV, I drive an infiniti sedan that guzzles gasoline and goes 160mph.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5562988 - 04/27/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Are you saying they should be outlawed? Are you saying people should protest their sale? Let's have a tie-in, or there's no point leaving the thread open.
Alright, I have a proposal. I think there should be a special tax levied on high-emissions vehicles, and the revenue should go towards research into alternative fuels.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5563252 - 04/27/06 03:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Phred said: What is the relevance your (often mistaken) beliefs about vehicles classified as SUVs have in relation to politics or activism or law?
Energy conservation is a hot political issue. The possible regulation of consumer vehicle fuel efficiency is definitely a political issue
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Are you saying they should be outlawed? Are you saying people should protest their sale? Let's have a tie-in, or there's no point leaving the thread open.
I think that people should only be allowed to operate innefficient vehicles if they have a special permit granted for special needs, eg: people who haul cargo on a regular basis, people who haul multiple passengers on a regular basis, or as Rono pointed out, people who live on rugged terrain.
I'm reading your mind. You want me to define inefficient. Personally, I would say anything that gets less than 20mpg averaged between city and highway driving. But realistically, 'inefficient' would have to be defined by democratic consensus.
the negative effects of the popularity of SUVs on people who do not own them provides ample justification for such legislation.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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I think we shoudl just start destroying them. SUV's are stupid design anyways. If you need somethign to get around in bad terrain a truck or jeep would be better. Farmers dont need suv's they need a pickup. the extra inside space is just wasted material.
So yea I vote we all go out and start some good old fashioned vandalism.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5563523 - 04/27/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't care about their lack of fuel efficiency or their tendency to roll over easily. What I care about is the danger to other motorists. Because of their high bumpers, what would normally be a typical rear-ending can end up with a person in a car dying. Also, these SUV drivers feel like they're invincible and they drive just the same.
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downforpot said: I don't drive an SUV, I drive an infiniti sedan that guzzles gasoline and goes 160mph.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5563587 - 04/27/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I would say anything that gets less than 20mpg averaged between city and highway driving.
In other words, the majority of vans, minivans, and pickup trucks. And a great many large sedans to boot.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Redstorm]
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Because of their high bumpers, what would normally be a typical rear-ending can end up with a person in a car dying.
What? I'd like to see some proof of that, please. Are you saying the bumper of an SUV is higher than the trunkline of the typical compact car?
As an aside, the bumpers of pickup trucks are as high as (and often higher than) the bumpers of SUVS. And the bumpers of large trucks are higher still. What's your proposal for dealing with that?
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5563735 - 04/27/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damnit, I just typed out a huge post, then closed the page.
Anyways, there is no contest that trucks and SUV's have higher bumpers than almost all models of cars. Also, SUV's are considered light trucks, and are not held to the same standard for bumper safety as passenger cars are. This means that when a car submarines under the broken bumper, it meets the underbody of the SUV, causing an extraordinary amount of damage. Also, since the front bumper is just as high, they can actually ride over the back of cars in a rear-ending. This has become such a problem that GM started lowering the underbody.
What would I do? I would do exactly what GM is doing. I would lower the underbody and increase the strength of both the front and the rear bumpers.
I just dug up these links real quick. I'm busy right now, but I'll dig you up some more later if you'd like.
http://www.iihs.org/news/2000/iihs_news_091300.pdf http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durableRedirect.pl?/durable/2000/03/22/fp5s2-csm.shtml
Just to be clear, I have no problem with people driving SUV's. They have the freedom of choice, which I would protect to all ends. I just want to give truth where it needs to be given.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5563737 - 04/27/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Personally, I would say anything that gets less than 20mpg averaged between city and highway driving.
In other words, the majority of vans, minivans, and pickup trucks. And a great many large sedans to boot.
yes. But I'm not targeting the people that need these vehicles. I'm targeting the people that don't need them and have them anyway.
I live in an affluent suburb of Dallas. Daily, I see Ford Excursions being piloted by a single person, with no passengers or cargo. This blatantly irresponsible behavior must be stopped. Because of fuel consumption, because of emissions, and because of road safety.
I seriously believe that if such a plan were implemented, the roads would be safer, the air would be cleaner, and the consumption of oil by America would be dramatically reduced. And since demand for oil would be reduced, prices would go down, and America would have a better global reputation.
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downforpot said: I don't drive an SUV, I drive an infiniti sedan that guzzles gasoline and goes 160mph.
I drive a modified Nissan 300ZX. It gets at least 20mpg, if not more, and it also goes 160. What do you have? A G35? Dude, I could smoke that shit like yesterday's ganja. What did you pay for that car? about $35k? I paid $10k for mine. Doesn't that just eat you up inside?
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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I live in an affluent suburb of Dallas. Daily, I see Ford Excursions being piloted by a single person, with no passengers or cargo.
Big whoop. Of course there are going to be times when the driver is by himself. That tells you absolutely nothing about how often he is not. Are you suggesting no one be allowed to drive a van or minivan or pickup truck or station wagon without at least one passenger?
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This blatantly irresponsible behavior must be stopped.
Why? Suppose I own a pickup truck. A four seater. I drive construction materials around all day, ferry friends and family to and fro. Then in the evening I hop in the truck, drive to the video store, and pick up a movie for my kids to watch. Doctor J sees me all alone in my Ford F150 and self-righteously concludes I am indulging in blatantly irresponsible behavior and must be stopped.
How you going to stop me? Follow me home and torch my truck in the driveway?
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Because of fuel consumption, because of emissions, and because of road safety.
All this "road safety" blather is a crock of horseshit. You want to know the best way to handle the road safety issue? Don't hit anyone with your car or truck. That way it doesn't matter how high your bumper is.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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I personally don't care about SUVs really. I think it's really stupid to have one, but you know what? I want all the gas to be gone as soon as possible.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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I drive a modified Nissan 300ZX. It gets at least 20mpg, if not more, and it also goes 160. What do you have? A G35? Dude, I could smoke that shit like yesterday's ganja. What did you pay for that car? about $35k? I paid $10k for mine. Doesn't that just eat you up inside?
Infiniti q45, I paid 2500 for mine, including insurance fee bs. Engine is in perfect condition, new fuel injectors, leather is almost perfect, paint job is perfect too. Windows work, sun roof works, stereo works (bose).
It's around 278 hp, no mods. I ain't planning on getting mods for it. I'm gonna ride it out, then get out of college and buy either a charger 400+ hp or a camaro that's comming out soon.
Yours would be faster if you have a turbocharged version.
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Phred said,
"How you going to stop me? Follow me home and torch my truck in the driveway?"
Yes thats what I think it would take. People would catch on soon enough.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: blaze2]
#5564112 - 04/27/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, I don't think so. People would catch YOU, most likely sooner rather han later. And then you can become closely acquainted with someone named Leroy.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5564342 - 04/27/06 08:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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How you going to stop me? Follow me home and torch my truck in the driveway?
I don't have to do anything but wait. 10 more years of these gas prices and the people of America will be howling at the steps of congress for these laws. Actually, they will probably be demanding much tougher laws than the ones I have proposed. So remember where you heard the ideas first.
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All this "road safety" blather is a crock of horseshit. You want to know the best way to handle the road safety issue? Don't hit anyone with your car or truck. That way it doesn't matter how high your bumper is.
I think that's a little unrealistic. Accidents happen, and always will. thats why we don't have nuclear cars. Where and when did you learn how to drive? In the backwoods of Canada during the 1960's? I learned how to drive in the year 1998 on the mean streets of Dallas, TX. 3 of the world's top 10 most dangerous intersections are in this city (according to national accident statitistics). Guess where those intersections are. That's right, the wealthy part of town. Because many rich people drive like inconsiderate assholes who think they own the roads.
You really need to come to Dallas if you want to see the reality of lassiez-faire capitalism. It seems to me that many of your personal philosophies are (over)reactions to to the socialist environments in which you have lived.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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Where and when did you learn how to drive? In the backwoods of Canada during the 1960's?
In Canada's capital city in the dead of winter in the early Seventies. My first car was a Volkswagen Beetle. My second car was a Fiat X1/9. My third car was a Fiat 128. Each of those cars weighed about a ton. That's right -- about a thousand pounds less than the average "compact" car of today, and about half the weight of the average car on the road in the early Seventies.
The Beetle had no seat belts. The X1/9 had no shoulder harness -- lap belt only. All three of those cars would have ended up the loser in any confrontation with an average car on the road in those days, let alone a pickup truck. So I learned how to drive properly. Never hit anyone. Never was hit by anyone either, except once when a fool tapped me from behind in the X1/9 when we were coming off a freeway exit to a red light.
You say you have dangerous intersections in Dallas? My advice would be to drive through those intersections with extra caution.
I've lived in the Dominican Republic for eighteen years, and I guarantee you there are more terrible drivers in the small village in which I live than in all of Dallas. In the country as a whole there are probably more terrible drivers than there are in all the US east of the Mississippi. For that reason I drive carefully here.
If you're worried about some fool hitting you in your vehicle, the best way to lengthen your odds of surviving is to drive defensively in the biggest and heaviest vehicle you can manage. Something like... oh... let me think here... a honking big SUV.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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yup docoter J is right.
and Its alot harder to catch someone than CSI acts liek it is. It takes less than a minute to break a window light a molotov and toss it in the front seat I reckon I could pull it off more than few times without getting caught.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Phred]
#5564477 - 04/27/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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An arms race of SUV's; that's almost cute.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: blaze2]
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blaze2 said: yup docoter J is right.
and Its alot harder to catch someone than CSI acts liek it is. It takes less than a minute to break a window light a molotov and toss it in the front seat I reckon I could pull it off more than few times without getting caught.
i'd throw one in your kid's bedroom in return.
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blaze2 said: yup docoter J is right.
and Its alot harder to catch someone than CSI acts liek it is. It takes less than a minute to break a window light a molotov and toss it in the front seat I reckon I could pull it off more than few times without getting caught.
I bet you'd feel a lot less happy if someone burned your house down because of your irresponsible usage of fossil fuels.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: An arms race of SUV's; that's almost cute.
the increasing size of cars is an arms race, and a completely pointless one at that. If everyone took Phred's advice and drove defensively, there would be that much less need for SUVs.
Defensive driving has saved me from about 3 or 4 wrecks in the past week alone. No less than an hour ago, some idiot almost sideswiped me on the way to Taco Bueno. Luckily, I saw him pulling into my lane, so I braked, swerved a little and laid on my horn.
I pity the fool who hits me. Me and my attourney will take that motherfucker to the cleaners. If I didn't love my car so much, I'd let someone hit me just so I could sue them. I swear, the next time a Mercedes turns in front of me when I have the right of way, I'm hitting the gas.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
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That would be very stupid because ALMOST every time YOU rear end someone, it's YOUR fault.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5564772 - 04/27/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see a lot of soccer moms that should just get a station wagon but it's not for mew to tell someone what to drive.
I personally think that the car manufacturers could make a more fuel efficient SUV if they weren't in bed with the oil companies.
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no I was talking about if I were going straight and someone coming from the opposite direction turned left in front of me. Happens all the time here. The wealthy have a bad habit of running red lights in this town.
By the way, if the plan I'm talking about were ever put into effect, the only ones who would suffer are the rich assholes who think overconsumption is a sign of status.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5564800 - 04/27/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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By the way, if the plan I'm talking about were ever put into effect, the only ones who would suffer are the rich assholes who think overconsumption is a sign of status.
Wrong These vehicles are used by people of all classes. My step-grandfather owns an old Suburban that probably gets really bad gas mileage but, he's a very long way from being rich.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Ekstaza]
#5564849 - 04/27/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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By the way, if the plan I'm talking about were ever put into effect, the only ones who would suffer are the rich assholes who think overconsumption is a sign of status.
Wrong These vehicles are used by people of all classes. My step-grandfather owns an old Suburban that probably gets really bad gas mileage but, he's a very long way from being rich.
no offense, but if your grandpa is poor and drives a suburban, he's not very bright. What's it cost, like $150 to fill the tank on one of those bad boys?
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: DoctorJ]
#5564925 - 04/27/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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no offense, but if your grandpa is poor and drives a suburban, he's not very bright. What's it cost, like $150 to fill the tank on one of those bad boys?
The Suburban was old when he bought it and therefore a very cheap deal. About $2500-3500.
He does have a few things that need to be done which require at least a truck and he uses the Suburban for those tasks. So the vehicle is not wasted. He even uses it to do charity work.
I believe it cost about $50-60 to fill up the suburban.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Ekstaza]
#5565097 - 04/27/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ekstaza said: I believe it cost about $50-60 to fill up the suburban.
Not in Venezuela
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Redstorm]
#5565991 - 04/28/06 04:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: An arms race of SUV's; that's almost cute.
You know how SUV's keep getting more and more masculine names year after year? We have the "Explorer", the "Yukon", the "Excursion", the "Rainier", etc.. What will SUV's be called in 5-10 years? The "Destroyer"? The "Fascist Dictator"?
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Fascist dictator sounds a little camp to me
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Alex213]
#5566417 - 04/28/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Dead Fetus"
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"Fasci / Fasce" would be a sick name for a car.
i mean, other than that our cars are all named after pagan gods, right?
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: kotik]
#5566829 - 04/28/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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no man there are lots of things they take names from. Do you think camry is a pagan God? Or Seinna? come on now.
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: blaze2]
#5567431 - 04/28/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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An offshoot of the Camry, the Camry Solara, has been available as a coupe and a convertible.
The second and third-generation Camrys were rebadged to be sold as the Holden Apollo in Australia.
The name comes from the English phonetic of the Japanese word "kan-muri", which means "crown".
maybe not pagan gods, but certainly more than just words.
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Ekstaza said: I believe it cost about $50-60 to fill up the suburban.
Not in Venezuela
If I lived in Venezuela, I'd be driving a huge Hummer. The old style ones, not these silly H2's or H3's
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Re: Gass Guzzlers [Re: Ekstaza]
#5567935 - 04/28/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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H1 sux balls.
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To each his own
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