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If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift....
#5560835 - 04/26/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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When all is said and done, will all of the compasses of the world end up pointing in the wrong direction....?
When it is mid-shift, will all of the compasses just spin around aimlessly....?
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5560903 - 04/26/06 10:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes the needle will point south after teh shift, and during it the feild will weaken so I dont think the needle will be moving much at all. Peace
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: blaze2]
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5561788 - 04/27/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> When all is said and done, will all of the compasses of the world end up pointing in the wrong direction....?
Compasses already all point in the wrong direction. Magnetic north, which is what your compass points towards, is not aligned with polar north, which is the top point of the elipsoid shaped Earth. If you look at any navigational chart, there will always be a key that shows how much drift is between real north and magnetic north. This is known as magnetic declination.
To make matters even worse, magnetic declination is not constant, but changes or drifts over time. Each year, new charts (navigational maps) are published with updated magnetic declinations. Using decades old charts to navigate can result in some drastic errors if one isn't careful to recalculate the declination.
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5561878 - 04/27/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Gomp]
#5561936 - 04/27/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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so you have been around , eh?
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Seuss]
#5564098 - 04/27/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanx~ guys....! 
I was trying to think of a "get rich quick" plan to capitalize on the shift somehow with compasses, but it isn't gonna~ be a quick thing (from what I read).... 
The magnetic shift on Earth *sounds* like a smaller slower event/version of the way the sun's fields shift and change.... Like an outer normal inverted twist.... 
***A NEW QUESTION***
Since the Aurora Borealis is thought to be caused by the magnetic forces charging the atmosphere and giving off light (from what I understand), when it is mid-polar shift, will the charged field envelope the whole atmosphere of the Earth in colors....? Or will the magnetic forces be to weak (spread to thin) to charge enough or the atmosphere to visibly see...?
Magnetics are so freakin cool....! 
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5564346 - 04/27/06 08:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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will all of the compasses of the world end up pointing in the wrong direction
Yes, and pigeons will get lost.
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Diploid]
#5564458 - 04/27/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about all those new-fangled compasses in the mirrors of all the high priced cars???? 
Not that I have one, mind you.....
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5564469 - 04/27/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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As I understand it, the shift will take thousands of years, so I wouldn't be betting on it in our lifetimes.
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5570101 - 04/29/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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***A NEW QUESTION***
Since the Aurora Borealis is thought to be caused by the magnetic forces charging the atmosphere and giving off light (from what I understand), when it is mid-polar shift, will the charged field envelope the whole atmosphere of the Earth in colors....? Or will the magnetic forces be to weak (spread to thin) to charge enough or the atmosphere to visibly see...?
Magnetics are so freakin cool....! 
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5570421 - 04/29/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Magnetics are cool, understanding how its all working is fun forsure. Check out this link and the recomended links at the bottom of the article. I like meta-electromagnetics 
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Springs]
#5570478 - 04/29/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sweet link....!
 """And, as a bonus, Tahiti could be a great place to see the Northern Lights. In such a time, Larry Newitt's job would be different. Instead of shivering in Resolute Bay, he could enjoy the warm South Pacific, hopping from island to island, hunting for magnetic poles while auroras danced overhead. """
(Image & text from: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html )
This would suggest (if it is a close to correct representation) that the Aurora Borealis would indeed be visible over the whole Earth...! Now THAT would be something to see....! Would definitely be a neat backdrop for the 4th of July fireworks....!
I also have got to imagine that a lot of people would be freaked out seeing such sights, and thinking that the end of the world was coming.... "The sky was so purple, there were people running everywhere..."
Too bad something like this will prolly~ not happen in our lifetimes....
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(edit: added the quoted text under the image)
Edited by PhanTomCat (04/29/06 02:35 PM)
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5573949 - 04/30/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea the aurora boreallis is caused by teh magnetic feild funnelling solar wind into the north pole(happens down south, called something else though) with little or no feild around the earth entire, the colors should appear everywhere. The feild isnt causing the lights its the solar radiation striking our upper atomsphere. Peace
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: blaze2]
#5576367 - 05/01/06 05:01 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> Yea the aurora boreallis is caused by teh magnetic feild funnelling solar wind into the north pole
Incorrect. The Aurora Borealis is caused by charged particles from the sun being accelerated towards the poles by the earth's magnetic field. When the accelerated particles slam into atoms in the atmosphere, photons are released creating the light seen.
> with little or no feild around the earth entire, the colors should appear everywhere.
Incorrect. With no magnetic field around the earth, the colors would disappear.
> The feild isnt causing the lights its the solar radiation striking our upper atomsphere.
Almost correct. The field is accelerating charged particles from the sun, and it is the accelerated particles striking the upper atmosphere that causes the light. Without the field, there is no acceleration, and without the acceleration, there is no "northern lights". (A sun flare or other event that releases a stream of charged particles from the sun, towards the earth, is also required.)
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Seuss]
#5606570 - 05/08/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dude thats teh same thing I just said, you know what they called those "charged particles" solar wind, the shape of the magnetic feild is a funnel.
With no feild the wind would slam into one side of teh earth, at a time, every night they would be visible. When the lights are visible farther south say north texaas(yup it happens buddy) the field is weaker. Proven cause and effect man.
The feild acclerates them at the poles maybe but it it still blows from the sun to us. With no feild that that is enough to affect teh atmospheres particles in exactly the same fasion. The accleration is only needed because of the feild man.
Of course the lights would be stronger as the flares come adn such, but at the south pole they are visible almost all night long and every night, because of the Ozone hole. That would be the case for all the earth with no feild.
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: Seuss]
#5608907 - 05/09/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so like, during a reversal, the field is still there, yeah? The magnetic field just gets tangled up and stuff, no?
I mean, if the magma has to slow down and stop, then it's not doing its job to make an electromagnetic field, sure, but that picture from the nasa site makes it look like the magnetic field wouldn't disappear during the reversal.
I read in national geographic that the Aurora's (borealis and australis, if i'm not mistaken) where made of plasma, the fourth state of matter. Can anyone explain to me why released protons = plasma?
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5609825 - 05/09/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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""The source of the auroras is the sun. The sun gives off high-energy charged particles (also called ions) that travel out into space at speeds of 200 to 440 miles per second. A "cloud" or gas of such ions and electrons is called a plasma. The stream of plasma coming from the sun is known as the solar wind. As the solar wind interacts with the fringes of the earth's magnetic field, the particles are "shocked" into flowing around the earth. Some of the particles are trapped by the earth's magnetic field. They follow the magnetic lines of force down to the ionosphere. The particles strike the gases in the ionosphere, causing them to glow, the same way electrons passing through the gases in a neon tube make a neon sign light up. The colors correspond to the different gases in the ionosphere. Oxygen atoms give off red and green light, depending on how high they are in the ionosphere. Nitrogen molecules give off blue and violet light. . The northern lights are always moving, like giant curtains of light weaving and swaying across the sky. This is caused by the constantly changing interaction between the solar wind and the earth's magnetic field. It is not unusual for the solar wind to generate 100,000 megawatts of electricity in a three-hour auroral display. This can cause temporary interference with power lines, radio and television broadcasts, and satellite-to-earth communications. By studying the auroras, scientists can learn more about the solar wind and how it affects the earth's atmosphere. . . . aurora: rapid and irregular displays of colorful lights in the night sky, created when the solar wind causes beams of electrons from the magnetosphere to strike the upper atmosphere, causing atoms and molecules to glow . ion: an atom or group of atoms carrying an electrical charge . ionosphere: part of the earth's atmosphere containing electrically-charged particles that reflect radio waves. . magnetic field: a region of space wherein a detectable magnetic force exists at every point . plasma: a state of matter in which all of the particles are electrically charged . solar corona: the sun's upper atmosphere where the solar wind is created . solar wind: charged particles, mainly protons and electrons, that flow out from the sun and sweep out into space.
From: http://www.tpt.org/newtons/10/aurora.html
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5611937 - 05/10/06 09:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nasa has no idea what is going to happen man. Neither do I. If the feild is still around then I guarentee that it will be much weaker during the transition. Not sure what you meant by magma stopping, as the feild is supposed to generated by teh inner and outer cores, not the mantle. Peace
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Re: If -or- When There is a Magnetic Polar Shift.... [Re: blaze2]
#5612419 - 05/10/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's generating a magnetic field because it's moving right? Or is the solid inner core just a big clump of magnetized metal? I don't understand why there should be a reversal if that were the case.
There might be a lot that I don't understand about this.
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