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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: kotik]
#5566068 - 04/28/06 06:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am interested to hear what you think the purpose of military is, if not to kill people and break things... ? Obviously a military that does neither of these well is not a military at all.
Like I said, the "ultimate" purpose of the military is to prepare for war not necessarily to kill or blow shit up. Most soldiers will go their entire military career without ever having to shoot someone...do you dispute that? And like I also said...time wouldn't have to be served in the military...could also be served in the fire dept, police force, social service, coast guard...the list is endless
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5566093 - 04/28/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I definitely think military service, are for those who volunteer. The military is not for everyone. It can have negative effects mentally and physically, on people who do not belong there.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5566138 - 04/28/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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And like I also said...time wouldn't have to be served in the military...could also be served in the fire dept, police force, social service, coast guard...the list is endless
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5566185 - 04/28/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those particular jobs also require a certain type of person. Not everyone is cut out to be a cop (like myself, I was in the Marines, but do not have the composure of your typical cop), running into a burning building, checking up on former felons, or working for the Department of Transportation (Coast Guard)
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5566197 - 04/28/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even better...it's good to get out of your comfort zone.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5566212 - 04/28/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do not want to assume the wrong thing about your above post. Are you implying that the above jobs, would be beneficial to people by giving them experiences they would normally not have?
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5566295 - 04/28/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yes... I am saying that the vast majority of young people in their late teens need some sort of structure or guidance, as these are still developing years...
I've been thinking about this more since yesterday and I would like to expand on my original statement...
This would be my proposal...at the age of 17, or after graduating high school...IF the individual isn't in University or college..2 years of mandatory civil service would do the trick in my humble opinion. It would certainly solve alot of problems, and can't think of any that it would cause.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5566617 - 04/28/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree with civil service.......but not federal service (military), trust me, I wish allot more men in my generation would go into the military, however, forcing someone to go into an institution were mens lives are at stake seems dangerous since morale and troop welfare would suffer.........
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5566980 - 04/28/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rono said: And like I also said...time wouldn't have to be served in the military...could also be served in the fire dept, police force, social service, coast guard...the list is endless
Or, even more appropriate, IMO, they could fill the jobs now managed by Halliburton and Lockheed.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5567157 - 04/28/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just give more incentives for military service than civil service.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5567342 - 04/28/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rono said:
Like I said, the "ultimate" purpose of the military is to prepare for war not necessarily to kill or blow shit up.
This is de facto absurd. Preparation can never be the "ultimate purpose." What you are preparing for is the "ultimate purpose." And not all war preparations involve killing and/or blowing shit up. Fucking ridiculous.
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Most soldiers will go their entire military career without ever having to shoot someone...do you dispute that?
Irrelevant to the discussion of what is or is not the "ultimate purpose."
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And like I also said...time wouldn't have to be served in the military...could also be served in the fire dept, police force, social service, coast guard...the list is endless
Whose "ultimate purpose" would apparently be in preparing for fires, crimes, coastal emergencies and ......social services. Nothing to do with actually acting on them, just preparing for them. Why, I'm preparing for something right now. But that is not my "ultimate purpose." My "ultimate purpose" is to eat dinner.
I cannot fucking believe that a so-called bunch of libertarians would espouse mandatory service of any kind. Oh no, wait, I forgot, we're not all libertarians here. Some of us are fascist socialists (redundant, I know). More hairy red ass exposure.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5567421 - 04/28/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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well said.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5567556 - 04/28/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I cannot fucking believe that a so-called bunch of libertarians would espouse mandatory service of any kind. Oh no, wait, I forgot, we're not all libertarians here. Some of us are fascist socialists (redundant, I know). More hairy red ass exposure
There, there Zappa...it'll be okay..no need to get your panties in a twist. The original question was if we supported mandatory military service (remember that part?)...I said yes, then expanded on it. Try to keep this on topic instead of arguing about semantics for once...or was that the basis of your entire argument?
And yes...I am a socialist...your point?
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
#5567686 - 04/28/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Rono said:
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I cannot fucking believe that a so-called bunch of libertarians would espouse mandatory service of any kind. Oh no, wait, I forgot, we're not all libertarians here. Some of us are fascist socialists (redundant, I know). More hairy red ass exposure
There, there Zappa...it'll be okay..no need to get your panties in a twist. The original question was if we supported mandatory military service (remember that part?)
I sure do, and was one of the first responders. You can find it on page one. And I'll twist my panties all I want, Mary.Quote:
...I said yes, then expanded on it. Try to keep this on topic instead of arguing about semantics for once...or was that the basis of your entire argument?
I responded to your assinine "expansion" with a cogent destruction of your belief that "preparation" can even be considered an "ultimate purpose." A not surprisingly ridiculous assertion from you. Semantics? Look the word up.
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And yes...I am a socialist...your point?
Yes, I know. And my point, which I have made in another thread as well, is that it is not conservatives who are the fascists but, rather, the socialists. And you have helped to prove my point. Thanx.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5567761 - 04/28/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5567846 - 04/28/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the bottom line is that we have a bunch of rich spoiled pussies in our country who have never had to do shit for themselves but get drug money. to add some structure to their life and make them try to see the bigger picture would help most of them. there is always a select few who are just retarded and will fold like a deck of cards at any possible sign of turmoil, but fuck them. this would help the majority of the US. name one reason why it would be bad? it works in other countries, why not ours? look what WWII did for our country. it DEVELOPED one of our greatest generations. that generation would not have been what it was had it not been for the trials and tribulations that war brought onto them. im not saying that mandatory service is the same as WWII but I do think that some of the structural lessons and personal lesson that would be learned in service would be similar.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: vintage_gonzo]
#5567855 - 04/28/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just who the fuck are you to decide what is good for someone else? Fascist. Probably a left-tard too. Seems to go hand in hand.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5567875 - 04/28/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also take exception to the whole "greatest generation" bullshit. It was those assholes who, when they came to power, brought us the Vietnam fiasco. Just because they thought they could. Either that or they thought their kids could benefit from the "chracter-building" powers of war.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5567883 - 04/28/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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look what WWII did for our country. it DEVELOPED one of our greatest generations.
hah, so you credit the entire generation because of the war they had to face? i fail to grasp your logic. because of the military / political atmosphere?
its a new age, and there is more information out there now. besides, if there IS any comparison to WW2 here.. we would be representing Germany.
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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: kotik]
#5567907 - 04/28/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Somehow you got a quote from VintageGonzo in a reply to me. I want to make damn sure that everyone knows that is not my quote.
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