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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5562806 - 04/27/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My point is that the vast majority of people could easily pass basic training, unless they were physically disabled, In which case they could still be in the administrative areas of the forces.

If some is so pathetic that they don't think they could complete basic training, then that person needs it the most in order to show them that they can. It would give that person the much needed confidence that they are apparently lacking. Sometimes all you need is the proverbial kick in the ass...


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
    #5562814 - 04/27/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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My point is that the vast majority of people could easily pass basic training, unless they were physically disabled, In which case they could still be in the administrative areas of the forces.

If some is so pathetic that they don't think they could complete basic training, then that person needs it the most in order to show them that they can. It would give that person the much needed confidence that they are apparently lacking. Sometimes all you need is the proverbial kick in the ass...




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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5562822 - 04/27/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

bi0 writes:

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I do, however, support a rule that says in order to be commander in chief you must have military experience.




Interesting stance.

Have you written your congresscritters asking them to introduce the necessary amendments to the constitution required to bring this about?




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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5562921 - 04/27/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How about requining all 18 year olds to spend 2 years as manditory child care workers?

I think it's more important to know how to raise a child than kill.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5562965 - 04/27/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:
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Gijith said:
The more I think about this, the more I favor it.
2 years at the age of 18, men and women. Little or no pay.

What are your guys' thoughts?




I think that putting a guy like me in the army would be a huge tactical error, as I would almost surely use whatever power the government gave me against the government at some point.

I could just see it now: Quietly moving my way up the ranks, always being a good soldier, but always remembering my true purpose. Carefully biding my time and making secret alliances with the other officers...

Then, as soon as they promote me to General, BAM! Military coup.

Now, everybody works in spaceship factories at gunpoint, sports are illegal, and scientists are the richest people on earth. All bureaucrats will be forced into a rocket that will be shot straight into the sun. All people below a certain level of intelligence will be gassed. Welcome to DoctorJ's America, bitch.




you sound like a nazi


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5562974 - 04/27/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Who said anything about learning to kill?


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
    #5562986 - 04/27/06 02:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Who said anything about learning to kill?




Most of these people think military = murder.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: downforpot]
    #5563063 - 04/27/06 02:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i can See program like Switzerland's mandatory top train but not force them to serve in a conflict. keep your equipment and you can be called on to defend your local area.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: downforpot]
    #5563142 - 04/27/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I guess it's because I'm American. If you haven't noticed, that's exactly what it means here.

Maybe in canada "military" does mean "running a daycare".


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: downforpot]
    #5563149 - 04/27/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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you sound like a nazi




given the opportuntity, I would be. But at least I know this about myself and admit it. Most people would be nazis if geiven the opportunity, they just won't admit it to themselves. This is exactly my point: by forcing everyone to join the army, you are putting power in the hands of potentially dangerous people.

not to mention that government conscription is morally reprehensible.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5563159 - 04/27/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I guess it's because I'm American. If you haven't noticed, that's exactly what it means here.

Maybe in canada "military" does mean "running a daycare".




You obviously don't know much about the military. I served 4 years and never learned how to kill people or anything like that. There are hundreds of jobs in the military that have nothing to do with killing anyone.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5563181 - 04/27/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Precisely...


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
    #5563455 - 04/27/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anyone thats actually been in the military before should know that the ultimate purpose of the military is to "kill people, blow shit up and break things."

in fact, that was a chant they had us doing in boot camp.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Gijith]
    #5563517 - 04/27/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

perhaps when we evolve past our reptilian brain we will see true peace...... earth belongs to life not contries prepared to fight others



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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: mungojerry]
    #5563631 - 04/27/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

haha thank god i never had to wear those glasses. my bootcamp "yearbook" looks like it could have been right out of the 50s.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: kotik]
    #5564189 - 04/27/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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anyone thats actually been in the military before should know that the ultimate purpose of the military is to "kill people, blow shit up and break things."

in fact, that was a chant they had us doing in boot camp.




Yes, The ultimate purpose is to prepare for war...and apparently your boot camp was much different than mine. Mine focused on teamwork, discipline and building confidence and pride in yourself and country, while being taught outdoor survival skills and helping each person decide what trade they would be most receptive to so that they can get the most out of their experience while there. It was tough and very difficult at times, but that's what made it worthwhile.
We were never told to 'kill people' or 'blow shit up'


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
    #5564328 - 04/27/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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We were never told to 'kill people' or 'blow shit up'




My, how far the Canadian military has fallen. Canada's military was once respected.

The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things. Any army "training" which fails to teach its n00bs how to accomplish either of those things is a pretty piss poor military.


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Phred]
    #5564560 - 04/27/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Any army "training" which fails to teach its n00bs how to accomplish either of those things is a pretty piss poor military.



Perhaps the "army' training is like that...but I was in the Navy.

And contrary to popular belief, military bullets are designed to maim..not kill...since it takes 2 men to tend to a wounded soldier, and none for a dead man.
(at least that's the way it was explained to us)

Anyways...back to the topic.

Technically, I don't think it would HAVE to be military training, but cetainly some kind of mandatory civic work couldn't hurt...like even what was mentioned, social work, fire department, police...whatever


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: Rono]
    #5565310 - 04/27/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anything mandatory = slavery


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Re: Mandatory Military Service? [Re: mungojerry]
    #5566032 - 04/28/06 05:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i wasnt in the army, i was in the air force. and i was the farthest thing from infantry as you could get.. but still i was never confused as to the purpose of the military.

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apparently your boot camp was much different than mine. Mine focused on teamwork, discipline and building confidence and pride in yourself and country




amazing, your boot camp was DEF much different than mine. i wouldnt be surprised if you told me you also all shared stories and feelings over a campfire at night as well.

I am interested to hear what you think the purpose of military is, if not to kill people and break things... ? Obviously a military that does neither of these well is not a military at all.


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