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ezsefix
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San Pedro
#5559449 - 04/26/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello! I've been wanting to try a San Pedro concoction for some time now, and I was wondering if there were any stores in my area that might carry it. I know when I lived in california I saw them all over the place in stores, but they seem to be somewhat rarer here in Wisconsin. Any suggestions on what to do?
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Re: San Pedro [Re: ezsefix]
#5559539 - 04/26/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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whatever123
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I live in California, so this might not be useful, but they are stocked VERY well in all of our Home Depots.
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zee_werp
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Do not, I repeat DO NOT ingest a cactus that has been bought from a garden centre or department store. The nurseries which supply cacti on a commercial scale use some VERY nasty chemicals, mostly systemic insecticides and systemic fungicides. In other words these chems stay within the cactus flesh for years and are no good for your health. You'd be best off to buy some smaller specimens, and grow them on for a few years, organically, and then when the time comes to use them, stay well clear of the original flesh it had when you buy it.
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Re: San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5561801 - 04/27/06 06:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I didn't know the chems could stay inside the cacti. Thats really fucked up. I would try using Ebay to find cacti. Good deals are always on ebay and always legit.
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Re: San Pedro [Re: ezsefix]
#5561823 - 04/27/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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psytim1987
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does anyone have anymore info on what zee-werp said i brought some pedro and PT from a nursery and i realy didn't want to hear that! :-(
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Psychoslut
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I would think that you should be able to flush the chems out with watering with regular water and using fresh soil with no chems in it.
I highly doubt the insecticide is in the cactus forever.
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zee_werp
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Actually, it is. I know it's not what people 'want to' hear....but thats the sad truth about commercially grown cacti. They can use whatever harsh chems on them that they like because cacti are not intended for human consumption.
But say if you bought a 10cm tall san pedro and grew it till it was 2-3 feet tall, you could probably get away with harvesting it at say 15-20cm up from the base and the cactus would be mostly 'clean'.
You could probably 'get away' with ingesting a store bought cactus just once (unless its a particularly chemmy one)...but if you made a habit of it I could almost gurantee serious liver problems.
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Re: San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5564619 - 04/27/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you boiled your cactus into a tea or did an extraction then most of the impurities would either be boiled or washed off. I don't think any fungicide or insecticide residue would end up in the final product. Besides, there's more poison in a commercially grown fruit like apples and grapes than a san pedro cactus and people eat fruit all the time and don't get sick.
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whatever123
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peruvian spark said: there's more poison in a commercially grown fruit like apples and grapes than a san pedro cactus and people eat fruit all the time and don't get sick.
....he has a damned good point, you know.
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Well, if you were doing an extraction, I would assume the poisons wouldn't be alkaloids, and would therefore be lost with all the other plant materials.
I, however, may be completely incorrect. Anyone feel free to set me straight on this!
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zee_werp
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peruvian spark said: If you boiled your cactus into a tea or did an extraction then most of the impurities would either be boiled or washed off. I don't think any fungicide or insecticide residue would end up in the final product.
You don't "think"? What you just happen to "think" doesn't necessarily mean anything about what actually happens... "Washed" off"? To where? I'll tell you where - into the cactus tea.
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peruvian spark said: Besides, there's more poison in a commercially grown fruit like apples and grapes than a san pedro cactus and people eat fruit all the time and don't get sick.
Commercially grown fruit and vegetable crops do use certain chemical insecticides and fungicides (which I would rather they didn't), but they still have to conform to FOOD SAFE regulations. Whereas there are no regulations as to what chems cactus growers use and some of them can be pretty damn nasty. I've been to a couple of large cactus nurseries and seen their bottles of shit with skull and cross bones on them etc.
As I said earlier, you may be able to ingest some store bought cacti without problems. But it is worth keeping in mind that this type of damage to the liver is cumulative. Meaning that it doesn't happen all at once real noticeably (unless you have a lot of something bad) but if you took say 3 doses of chemmy cactus each year for a few years you run the risk of some nasty shit floating around in your system.
In such a case I think it's to everyones benefit to err on the side of caution. You get a lot more satisfaction out of a cactus trip that you have grown yourself anyway.
Edited by zee_werp (04/28/06 02:32 AM)
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whatever123
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Re: San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5565553 - 04/28/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Holy shit dude, calm down.
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psytim1987
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peruvian spark said: If you boiled your cactus into a tea or did an extraction then most of the impurities would either be boiled or washed off. I don't think any fungicide or insecticide residue would end up in the final product. Besides, there's more poison in a commercially grown fruit like apples and grapes than a san pedro cactus and people eat fruit all the time and don't get sick.
ah yes that sounds like good advice, i boil anyway.
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Holy shit dude, calm down.
He seems calm to me. Just trying to get a point into thick heads.
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