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so_me_tuo
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: wiggles]
#5560552 - 04/26/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you take as perminate effects just might be shifts in yourself that you dont like and seem like your just trying to deny.
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wiggles
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: DeathCompany]
#5560556 - 04/26/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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DeathCompany said:

well according to this handbook i found drugs destroy your creativity
Drugs turned me into a newt.
What? I got better...
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: wiggles]
#5560567 - 04/26/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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well i took drugs once and got stuck in a bottle full of pills
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
#5560585 - 04/26/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"if you all would look beyond yourselves you would realize you dont need drugs. just an open minded way of learning".
Dude, im sick of hearing the "all natural" bullcrap(although I know you enjoy drugs). There is no way in the world you can have a psychedelic experience like that which lsd, mushrooms or ayahuasca provide without the drug.
KidgardFromSRQ, If you can equate meditation or something to the psychedelic experience thats fine. To understand what these drugs can provide you need the drugs. No matter how shallow or deep it gets, its entirely different than any more natural state of mind you can create yourself. These drugs fascilitate mental processes that you dont have readily available to you without them. SO enough with the all natural crap. To say "You dont need drugs to get there" is just a not logical. Im not going to explain it any further, but this is far more than VERY obvious to me. I understand this is a thread about one of the less profound drugs, so let it take shape.
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5560594 - 04/26/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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so_me_tuo said: What you take as perminate effects just might be shifts in yourself that you dont like and seem like your just trying to deny.
Would anyone like blue and red blurs over everything indoors?
I doubt I would just start having strange eyesight problems for no reason, but then again i really dont know.
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5560616 - 04/26/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hmmm I thought kidgard meant something more along the lines of, 'you dont need drugs to be happy'.
It's obvious you can't have a psychedelic experience without psychadelics, but E is not really a psychedelic at normal doses, just a mood upper. Taking more than a normal dose is just stupid, unless all of the anti-E info is wrong, which it very well could be, but I dont want to tae the chance.
FYI, the blurs started when i peaked from the 2 and 1/2, and never went away.
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 09:56 PM)
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stemmer
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5560637 - 04/26/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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enderwood, i would just abandon your thread right now.
No one knows what the hell they are talking about, and/or they want to bash you while giving good info.
Id requote se_me_tuo but I dont think its necessary to bad mouth him or give him some form of enlightenment that he didnt ask for..(hint).
SOme people are so damn boring or simple that they have no idea what you are talking about. Abandon the thread.........
Edited by stemmer (04/26/06 10:00 PM)
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so_me_tuo
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: wiggles]
#5560643 - 04/26/06 09:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What you take as perminate effects just might be shifts in yourself that you dont like and seem like your just trying to deny.
everything is just energy. diffrent energys produce diffrent effects. diffrent concious or unconcious decitions make those energys what they are. what ever those energys do to anyother existance is totaly real to what ever is experianceing that. the being experiancing that may not be looking at it with out there ego so they are puting all these made up games infront of it or not. drugs are energies that unlock parts of your life. if you look at theme though you ego you will see it as "the drug clouding your mind" but when you realize that its the energy of the durg unlocking you and being part of you do realize that you creat the experiance not the drug entirly joint effort.
Why dont you think that everyone loves everyone. "the guy who keyed your car" is just another human he didnt key your car your car has been keyed, the man is. you dont own the car the car just is. owner ship is a made up game. so is the fact that people cant all love and like each other. we are all the same human just diffrent physical embodyments of it and our personallitys but beyond that we are one. if you dont love everyone even people who creat bad vibes and energy then you just cant totaly love yourself. if you love your enemy then you cant get caught in the same game. if you just step out side of the hate game you me duality of things you realize that the only diffrence between diffrent kinds of people is all the secrects and house keys.
as for perminate effects when you have truely felt something in your life that is so meaning full part of you is always going to feel it deep down somewere. you deny it will only make you life worse. go with what is happeneing not against it.
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: so_me_tuo]
#5560670 - 04/26/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Define "shifts in yourself" for us all.......as it pertains to visual effects(to make it simple).
I prefer the word "changes" to the word "shifts".
Be sure to thank the shaman tau.. But he does make hallucinogens out to be so very simple, though what he said is so very interesting.
Edited by stemmer (04/26/06 10:08 PM)
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: stemmer]
#5560703 - 04/26/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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In my interpretation of what he said shifts is a much more accurate word. You assemblage point shifts, thus what you experience is different.
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stemmer
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: ezsefix]
#5560721 - 04/26/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Changes" is more objective but the same really. Cause and effect...... Im not here to argue.
Drugs are not as simple as so many here would like to portray.
The whole, "what you experience is there already in full form" thing is just a bit much for me.
Edited by stemmer (04/26/06 10:13 PM)
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: stemmer]
#5560732 - 04/26/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WOW SO_ME_TUO, YOU OPENED MY MIND TO NEW POSSIBILITIES!
Dude...i never said 'hate', i mean, you choose not to talk to, or involve yourself, with certain people for a reason, because of their actions. Because, simply, in our society there are bounderies of what people can say or do, and they knew this and still crossed the boundery, it does not matter if it really 'matters', they probably thought it did (because most people do), and did not care enough not to cross it.
There is no fat guy, it was suppose to be a funny example.
It is the person's action. Their choices. If the fat guy decided to key your car (a major offense in our society), then they should be prepared to not be liked by the person who owned the car.
Yes, unfortunatly, drugs are extremely complex, and so is our physiology.
I'm sorry stemmer, i had to
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 10:14 PM)
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5560766 - 04/26/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are over anilyzing and trying to be some-how more enlightened and better than everyone else. (or maybe i am over anilyzing )
yes, ownership is a made-up game. It is a tool, a society tool, so people can have something they want or need, without worrying about decent people taking or using it. If people did not think this way, we would probably not have what we have today.
not liking someone, is the term used to represent the feeling or action. If someone shit in their hand and through it at you, your brain would take the information and make a decision of wether this person is worth being in the same area as. It's not some kind of cover-up.
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 10:21 PM)
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5560779 - 04/26/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Que? I dont know who you are talking to is all...........
If your talking to to me I think you missed my point. If your not talking to me, try to be more direct next time.
Edited by stemmer (04/26/06 10:24 PM)
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: stemmer]
#5560795 - 04/26/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm talking to so_me_tuo.
I meant sorry, i had to explain and keep this thread going
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 10:22 PM)
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5560818 - 04/26/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Right-O.
This was a very interesting thread in its own way.
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: stemmer]
#5560865 - 04/26/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just gotta add one more thing. The theory of everything being there, and the needing the drug to unlock it, is just that, a theory. The potential for the experiences is obviously there, bits and peices needed to form something.
I really doubt you already decided to love someone for no reason, but you needed the E to realize it. You have the POTENTIAL.
The empathy and love you feel on E is already explained, your decisions on how to act or how to react to something are changed by the seritonin and such. right?
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 10:37 PM)
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: enderwood]
#5561081 - 04/26/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't understand why you would need or even want more than one pill. I agree, it sounds like you had some MDA and meth. Meth IS bad for your brain, MDMA could be bad for your brain if you do it alof, and MDA is supposed to be a little worse.
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wiggles
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: Divided_Sky]
#5561236 - 04/27/06 12:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky said: I don't understand why you would need or even want more than one pill. I agree, it sounds like you had some MDA and meth. Meth IS bad for your brain, MDMA could be bad for your brain if you do it alof, and MDA is supposed to be a little worse.
Meth is very bad for your brain. The study that said that MDMA burns holes in your brain got their info from giving a chemical to a bunch of monkeys. The monkeys were then euthanized, and their brains were removed for examination. There were patches of brain matter that showed obvious signs of damage.
This was posted, but very soon after retracted when the scientists found out that the drug that their supplier had sent them was not in fact MDMA, but pure Methamphetamine.
It didn't really matter though, the anti-drug folks already had the info that they needed. I an get the names of the article and the retraction if you'd like - i have access to them through psychINFO.
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enderwood
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Re: ecstacy, its all just fun and games [Re: Divided_Sky]
#5561245 - 04/27/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's some good info wiggles.
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