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Trip without the drug
    #5559102 - 04/26/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, First i think i should tell more about me prior to the experience.
I am a white male age 20, drinker and occasional smoker (of both the bud and ciggarettes). I've tried mushrooms for a count of 6 times now with about 3 trips being very inspiring and memorable. Last 4 times I've tripped during the summer of 2005 with a two-three weeks break between the trips. Lately I've started parcticng yoga on a daily basis (before that i've practiced yoga once a week) and have found that it has profound effects on my body.
Over the course of the last 8 months i've had some some afterglow and other minor visual distortions on things i am not paying attention to. Coffee seems to enhance this effect for mewith some extra hallucinations like shoelaces slightly moving. I've found this scary at times but mostly I am getting used to all this. I also want to say that some of psychedelic effects I can easily replicate by concentrating on an object for a couple of seconds. I have been practicing self-hypnosis for about 2 months and I've stopped doing this in early march/late february.
Now, as i said i've been doing yoga every day for the last few weeks and have realized it has profound effects on me (i'd feel very good the day after the excercise, almost so good that i'd giggle or would want to go and hug n kiss everybody). One day though I've tried on meditating powerfully on my root chakra, wantingto know how it's energies will affect me. I didnt do my standard cleansing meditation but instead performed 2-3 different meditations solely on my root chakra over the course of 30 minutes (10 minutes for each meditation). The next day I've been very giggly and happy, anxious even, as if i was about to trip, and guess what! Fractals soon started to appear in my vision. They weren't embedded into the objects i was looking at, they just were like an extra layer over the reality. And that was one of the most vivd hallucinations I've ever had too! I clearly saw the fractals and everything that these fractals would touch would warp. I had feelings similar to those on shrooms, except that it was mild and i had control over those feelings.I got freaked out naturally cuz all i drank was some coffee and that was not a lot too. The possibility of something being in the coffee is unlikely since i drank it with my parents. About 30 minutes or so(im not quite sure how much time has passed) the fractals have faded but were replaced by a powerful headache. I thought that it is an onset of a schizophrenia but when i came back home i found out that at around the same time i had my hallucination coming on, my parents got a powerful headache too and my whole family except my sister were treating this headache the rest of the day. This has not repeated itself and I am thinking that I'm either VERY VERY nuts and should never touch shrooms again(although i havent done them in a while anyway) or that it was just a reaction to my strong meditation on the root chakra, knowing that simple cleansing meditations get me to a powerful blissed-out state anyway. Im thinking that if I am to use shrooms again i will have to preapre for the trip well ahead and be very cautious about the effects the shroom might cause.
I wanted to know ur opinion on this subject (even if u just have to say "nutcase")


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: Baelomor]
    #5559126 - 04/26/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You're not a nutcase. You want to know a big reason why? You're questioning whether or not you're a nutcase.

Sounds to me like you're doing a lot of things that are having an effect on your assemblage point. Try to get control over it so you can use it as a tool.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: ezsefix]
    #5559159 - 04/26/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I get the same sort of feelings, although they are much more subtle, when i finish meditating or a night of lucid dreaming/astral projection.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: ezsefix]
    #5559163 - 04/26/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

very weird.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: MustardMan]
    #5559272 - 04/26/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No matter what state im in I see visuals from years and years of hallucinogen use.

I have people on both sides of my family that where schizo and eventually killed themselves.

I have had a bout with schizophrenic tendancies due to responsible ayahuasca use. Which makes me pretty interested in part of what you were saying.

Why would you think schizophrenia? Care to elaborate about that?
In my experience visual after effects lasted longer and longer every time I would trip on something untill my last trip(the heaviest trip of all/far beyond 1200 mics of lsd), Im pretty sure I will always see subtle fractals all over my feild of vision for the rest of my life.

The relationship between hallucinogens and schizophrenia peaks my interests, hence the above question.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: stemmer]
    #5559324 - 04/26/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dude its the yoga and meditation, when practiced daily over time you enter deep states of consciousness not unlike the tripping experience. there are alot of books about it... ram das's journey of awakening talks about it. you are not going crazy at all. it takes some people years to get to the point where you are at do not fear it, keep going deeper.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: stemmer]
    #5559350 - 04/26/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the only reason im fearing that it is schizophrenia is honestly because i dont know what schizo really is. I mean, unlike you my family had no schizo to my knowledge and thus i have nobody to relate my experiences to so i assume the worst. I read a few reports of schizo and found quite a few of similar symptoms that were reported from other people. But mine don't seem to be intensifying nor fading and the only thing that made me really freaked is that vivid hallucination.
Im also interested in schizo and its relation to hallucinogens but there is not really much info available to me right now. In the coming days ill visit the ol' biblioteque and see if i can dig up some books on the topic.
I've just come out of another meditation and it feels like this fear of schizo is just my paranoia.
I agree with what ezsefix said too if you think about it a bit.

EDIT: Thx LedHead, i'll read about this as well...just lemme get to the library :smile:


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: Baelomor]
    #5559429 - 04/26/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

While you're at the library do yourself a favor and pick up a book (relatively) unrelated to schizophrenia. "The Fire from Within" by Carlos Castaneda. Read it from cover to cover.

Many people think they are going crazy because they are seeing things that most people choose not to see. Don't fear what's happening, embrace it, learn from it, use it. You're not going crazy, you're seeing.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: Baelomor]
    #5559468 - 04/26/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Most schizos know that they have the condition as it often developes in your 20's. Lots of schizos are highly intelligent, and are fully aware of their disorder and how it works, which hardly makes them nuts.

Maybe I just didnt understand the "vivid" hallucination you were talking about. ARe you talking about when the whole family got a headache, or is it just the visuals that concern schizophrenia.
Whether or not you developed or percieved some connection with the rest of your family due to the headache is what I was wondering.
Whas that the hallucination you were referring to? Im just trying to figure out what the hallucination was that made you wonder about schizophrenia.

I have a good friend that is very schizo, all sorts of weird stuff going on in his head. Too many associations all around him that lead to him creating all sorts of theories that are very compelling sometimes, other times they have no basis in reality and are what some might call nuts as he can not distinguish them "it" from reality.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: stemmer]
    #5559558 - 04/26/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The "vivid" hallucination was the thing that scared me. At first it was just a weird dot in my field of view. It would not allow me to read text or anything. Then it started to grow with lots of fractals and colors swirling inside it. Whenever I would close my eyes I would see the patterns in high detail and when i open my eyes i was able to easily define the boundaries of where the fractals would end and the normal vision would continue. That hallucination itself made me afraid that i have schizophrenia. The headache that my family got was something that made me think more about if it is really the schizophrenia that brought the effect or was it something else that involved my family too.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: Baelomor]
    #5559800 - 04/26/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

hey stemmer, did that start with subtle movements (walls waving out of the corner of your eye), and intense static colors in the pitch black? im curious because i think i may be predisposed to mental illness (my aunts side of the family) but i am usure of the illness. i know im not schitzo.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5559889 - 04/26/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats how it started for me. The more I tripped on hallucinogens the more I tripped when not actually tripping.
I have tripped over 170 times, and I noticed these after effects the second time I ever tripped(LSD).
At about the 50 trip mark the effects were ever present there after (never really going away). This should be expected though.

When I read a book I get fractal outlines superimposed upon every word(even the whole page full of words). A bright white page has tiny blue-purple fractal geometry, but on a smaller scale than when actually tripping)
Ever since my last trip(2 years ago almost to the day), I can read street signs but they have a web of white all around the letters so its harder to read(like a matrix of jaguars teeth/claw-like).
I believe that some of the strangest but most incredible teachings hallucinogens can provide are much like schizophrenic experiences.

You need to avoid hallucinogens for a while once you see so many associations all around you and even within your own thought processes that it seems like you are not attracted to synchronicity, but synchronicity is attracted to you.

When you see walls moving is one thing, but to change your cognitive functions is another. The endth degree is seeing math everywhere.
Logic becomes math, sight becomes math. Its like the one true philosophers stone.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: stemmer]
    #5560796 - 04/26/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thats nto a sign of schizo dude. i have a degree pending in psych on my lasst year. it has to do with you opening up through your meditation.


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Re: Trip without the drug [Re: LedHead]
    #5560867 - 04/26/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Are you talking to me about your degree?

I have a good friend who is very much schizophrenic. His issue mainly lies in his need to make too many associations at once. That is what causes the hallucinations he is willing to talk about.

HIs friends in Cali stole his words and sold them to a rap artist who is now very well off supposedly because of this schizos spoken word. He makes too many connections between anything and everything.

I understand his difficulty. I am EXTREEMELY schizotypal. I might just be what some might call a rabid shizophrenic also.


As far as the dude I was talking about before, yes he used hallucinogens and due to the EXTREEM after effects they labeled him schizophrenic. They hit the nail on the head with that one.


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