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OfflineBasilides
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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5559675 - 04/26/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The passengers actually killed a couple terrorists?


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Basilides]
    #5559690 - 04/26/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Basilides said:
The passengers actually killed a couple terrorists?




It is not known for sure. However, it is very likely that the passengers did kill or incapacitate two of them because you supposedly can hear one of the passengers yell "into the cockpit" and there were noises of commotion. The two terrorists in the cockpit then make the audible decision to down the plane because the passengers were close to entering the cockpit.


Edited by RandalFlagg (04/26/06 06:19 PM)


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5559700 - 04/26/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the Flight 93 struggle was alot like a basketball game


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5560443 - 04/26/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I shouldn't have to. One of the lies that the administration told us for the Iraq Invasion, was a specific connection of Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. The adminstration believed that Saddam and the attacks were directly related. Paying attention during that time would have been a good idea. Sorry for sounding condescending, but that is the only way to get my point across.


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: EmptySpace]
    #5560523 - 04/26/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I shouldn't have to.




Yeah, you should have to. You made the allegation. Support it.

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One of the lies that the administration told us for the Iraq Invasion, was a specific connection of Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda.




Yes, they told us that. Because it is true. That is not the same thing as saying Iraq was involved in the planning or execution of 9/11. No administration official has ever claimed Hussein had anything to do with 9/11.

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The adminstration believed that Saddam and the attacks were directly related.




And you know this because you can read their minds? Because you sure as hell don't know it from reading any of their published statements.

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Paying attention during that time would have been a good idea.




Pot. Kettle. Black.

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Sorry for sounding condescending, but that is the only way to get my point across.




You don't sound condescending, you sound ignorant. While the two qualities are not mutually exclusive, they are not identical.



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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Phred]
    #5560763 - 04/26/06 10:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

rumsfeld wanted to attack iraq on Sept 11th: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/04/september11/main520830.shtml

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With the intelligence all pointing toward bin Laden, Rumsfeld ordered the military to begin working on strike plans. And at 2:40 p.m., the notes quote Rumsfeld as saying he wanted "best info fast. Judge whether good enough hit S.H." ? meaning Saddam Hussein ? "at same time. Not only UBL" ? the initials used to identify Osama bin Laden.

Now, nearly one year later, there is still very little evidence Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks. But if these notes are accurate, that didn't matter to Rumsfeld.

"Go massive," the notes quote him as saying. "Sweep it all up. Things related and not."




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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Vvellum]
    #5560837 - 04/26/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

As I've repeatedly said, they've been planning this war for years.

I still think that the real Saddam is in Tahiti right now, sipping one of those coconut umbrella drinks, sitting on a fat pile of cash, his reward from the Bush family for a job well done.



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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5561010 - 04/26/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I remember the first week after 9/11, I thought it was terrorists, and I was pissed. But then I started thinking about it, and my curiosity led me to sites like whatreallyhappened.com. That sight is obviously not very credible... but it still got me thinking.



It was almost the opposite for me. When I first heard about it, I immediately suspected that someone in the government had to be in on it. Then, I started to accept the official story, only to later read the conspiracy theories and have my suspicions aroused again. I've actually gone back and forth on it a number of times.


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Silversoul]
    #5561101 - 04/26/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you ever seen the back of a $20 bill, man?  Is there a guy in the bushes?  What's he sayin?  "Red team, go!  Red team, go!"

:tinfoil:
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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Phred]
    #5561542 - 04/27/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, they told us that. Because it is true.

Source?

As Bush's hand-picked man David Kay remarked "We simply did not find any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any real links at all.?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washin...ssein_al_qaeda/

That is not the same thing as saying Iraq was involved in the planning or execution of 9/11. No administration official has ever claimed Hussein had anything to do with 9/11.


The use of armed forces against Iraq is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations or person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

- [Bush?s Letter to Congress, 3/21/03]

Incidentally if you don't believe Bush administration propaganda was responsible for spreading the idea Iraq was linked to 9/11 why do you think polls show a proportion of the american public believes this idea? It couldn't have been the media because according to you the media are all bolsheviks opposed to Bush and his policy in Iraq. So where did it come from?


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5561846 - 04/27/06 07:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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They recovered Flight 93's black boxes and they have released the transcripts to the public (I read them in the paper about a week ago).  They also let family members listen to the actual recording of the black box.  One of the terrorists quite clearly says, "Take it down" when they realized the passengers were winning.

:shrug:




Correction:

None of the contents of the black boxes have been released to the public, with the exception of a partial transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, only released this year for the Moussaoui trial. Although a Freedom of Information Act was submitted to obtain the rest of the information from the blackbox, the FBI refused to comply, saying "we do not believe that the horror captured on the cockpit voice recording will console them in any way."

They also recovered the data recorder (the second of the two black boxes), but didn't release any information concerning it, or any other data recorder that were recovered (officially the blackboxes from the WTC weren't found, but some witnesses declared that they had seen them and that the FBI had taken them, telling the witnesses to shut up).


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5561859 - 04/27/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, and concerning the flight 93 crash, here's a very revealing slip of tongue made by Rumsfeld:

"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."


Also, doesn't it seem strange that debris from the flight have been found 8 miles away from the crash site? And how do officials explain this? The wind! HA!


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Phred]
    #5562415 - 04/27/06 11:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here you go.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

it is not ignorance, it is the truth.
This link talks about the administration believing of the connection, and the fact that it is not true. So you are completely wrong, and obviously ignorant.


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: EmptySpace]
    #5562796 - 04/27/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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it is not ignorance, it is the truth.




No, it is ignorance. No member of the Bush administration has ever stated Iraq was involved with the 9/11 attacks. I asked you to provide me a statement from any member of the administration saying otherwise, and you have failed to do so. Don't feel bad about that -- in the almost five years since the 9/11 attacks, no one else has ever been able to provide such a statement. That's due to the simple fact that there is no such statement to be found, although the ignorant believe otherwise.

As for the multiple and well documented connections between Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda, those are a matter of public record, and were a matter of public record even before the 9/11 attacks. With the recent release of thousands of captured documents, more and more of those connections are coming to light .

Of course, the fact (and yes, it is a fact) that Hussein's Iraq and Al Qaeda had a working relationship pre- 9/11 does not prove Hussein's Iraq was involved in the planning or carrying out of the 9/11 attacks. But I have never claimed they were.

Nor has anyone in the Bush administration.




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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: exclusive58]
    #5562861 - 04/27/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
Correction:

None of the contents of the black boxes have been released to the public, with the exception of a partial transcript of the cockpit voice recorder, only released this year for the Moussaoui trial. Although a Freedom of Information Act was submitted to obtain the rest of the information from the blackbox, the FBI refused to comply, saying "we do not believe that the horror captured on the cockpit voice recording will console them in any way."




That's pretty much what I said. Here's a link to the transcript of the voice recording that was played at the Moussaoui trial:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0412061hijack1.html


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Phred]
    #5562912 - 04/27/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is going nowhere. Obviously both of us do not seem to be budging. In my defense I have heard from Dick Cheney's mouth, that he believes of the connection, specifically with 9/11. I did not say that they helped carry out the order, but what I do say is that the administration believes that there was a mutual connection. I am done with this, and you do provide good arguments. No reason to beat a dead horse.


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: EmptySpace]
    #5563100 - 04/27/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You're one who said that the adminstration stated that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Unless you can read minds or find us a good quote, you're the one who has no argument.


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: EmptySpace]
    #5563543 - 04/27/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Obviously both of us do not seem to be budging.




It's not a question of "budging", but of your failure to back up your claim.

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In my defense I have heard from Dick Cheney's mouth, that he believes of the connection, specifically with 9/11.




If this were really the case, then with the help of internet search engines you would have no difficulty referencing a transcript of the occasion when he said this. The fact you cannot provide such a reference shows you are mistaken in your belief of what came out of Cheney's mouth.



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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: Phred]
    #5563843 - 04/27/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well then phred what do you have to say about Rumsfeld planning to attack Iraq on sept 11. the day it happened?


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Re: "Let's Roll" [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5563857 - 04/27/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Rumsfeld was "planning" to do that? Show me, please.



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