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rastavibes727
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Coffee with BRF?
#5558329 - 04/26/06 11:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So, as it turns out, I don't have a coffee grinder (I busted my last one turning brown rice into BRF) and all my local health food store has is the regular grain rice, which I took and ground down in a coffee grinder. However, there's small grains of coffee sporatically throughout the BRF, is it still usable?
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Sinthetic
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people use coffee in there subs, it actually is beneficial.
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creamcorn
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most definitely.
i like 25% coffee/75% water in BRF cakes and see full half-pint colonization in 10-12 days. (an adaption taken from those who soak grains in coffee water) cubes love coffee! those little bits of grounds probably wont have much effect either way anyway though.
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IGnosticAbhorI
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The Coffee Project
It's about using coffee in substrate...Well, more so about soaking WBS in coffee water, kind of.
Intersting Thread....But keep in mind, a lot of the information changes as more and more people post, so read ALL of it...Either all or nothing.
Take care
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Re: Coffee with BRF? [Re: creamcorn]
#5558519 - 04/26/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't care for coffee at all personally, I was there when RR brought about the whole idea...The thread went from
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these jars were straight rye, no casing, but hydrated in diluted coffee. You decide. I say it's the coffee, but damned if I know what 'part' of the coffee did it.

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The coffee hydrated grains colonize much faster, and if one is growing invitro, they fruit in the jars much more prolific with coffee. That can be seen from some of my pictures earlier in this thread. I personally doubt it's the caffeine that makes coffee work so well. My guess is it's the nutes.
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I'm not saying it isn't the caffeine, just trying to keep everyone's mind open.
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Personally, I'm leaning towards it being the nutes in the coffee that make the tek worthwhile, and not the caffeine. I have a friend who grows oyster mushrooms commercially, and he gets a pickup truckload of spent coffee grinds every day from Starbucks. They save the grinds in a bag for him, and he picks them up every afternoon. They give them to him for free, as they're glad to get rid of them. No effort is made to separate the decaf from the regular. He gets massive flushes of oyster mushrooms, using the coffee grinds mixed with compost as his substrate.
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And it isn't the caffeine that makes coffee work. Plain caffeine has little to no effect. It's the nutes and other chemicals in coffee that do the trick. Also, any nutrients/chemicals would be metabolized and not taken up into the fruits anyway. Coffee simply helps the mycelium to grow and pins to form sooner. Where coffee really shines, in my opinion however is in the sclerotia producing species. I've seen double to triple the growth and 200 gram stones of sclerotia in coffee hydrated rye berries.
Seems like sclerotia benefits mostly from caffine, not cubensis.
Huge thread, lol. But it doesn't really get anywhere, no one got any real conclusive results from what i've read.
Gl
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wiggles
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Of course, when you get done your mushies will be addicted to caffiene :'( Poor things will get all irritable and shakey! I reccomend you give them decaf in the future
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creamcorn
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in my observations it works wonders on BRF when used like i described, 25% coffee, 75% water, same total amount of liquid in your normal recipe. a friend has been experimenting with two different strains and a control and is planning on posting some results soon... definitely seemed to speed colonization in his case, just birthing the first of them now and waiting to see what effects if any it has on time to pin, pinset, and fruiting... that giant coffee thread almost exclusively covers its use in grains, but seems to be good for cakes too
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Re: Coffee with BRF? [Re: creamcorn]
#5558548 - 04/26/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well then check out the link I posted.
ATWAR talks about how it might be bad if the mushies convert the coffee into toxins...Not sure if you have to have a certain strength of coffee and whatnot .
But GL with the experiment, 
Be sure to post side by side results, thatd be great 
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rastavibes727
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So the coffee with the brf wouldn't hurt?
I'm a newbie and half my jars of my first grow got contam'd (syringe somehow became contaminated), so I'm redoing them.
Thanks for the help.
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creamcorn
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yeah, long story short, it won't hurt, you're fine. :-)
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Sinthetic
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Well whether it helps or not, it will be fine.
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rastavibes727
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Re: Coffee with BRF? [Re: Sinthetic]
#5558654 - 04/26/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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all right, thanks a lot.
Hopefully this batch will be more successful than my other one.
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mephisto256
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I tried to brf tek with coffee water on my last 2 jars, and all i can say is that it may or may not help myc growth, but contams, thats another question, 2 days into incubation i had the most rapid contam growth i ever saw, which i believe it to be cobweb, but that stuff spreaded like wildfire through my jars, almost 20 times faster than a previous jar i had lost to cobweb before i did those new ones. That particular jar took almost a month for me to see its apparition, so so far, coffee and brf have been cruel to me..lol.
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When you get contamination two days after inoculating, it's obviously a problem with your sterile procedure or contaminated inoculant, not the choice of substrate.
This thread nearly died 2 years ago today, but for an update on the information contained therein, I've since that time found that the biggest reason cakes and grains hydrated with weak coffee colonize faster is the reduced pH that coffee provides. The nutrients in coffee tend to be a pinning benefit later, but the lower pH results in faster colonization, which I didn't quite realize was the reason when I got the whole 'grow on coffee' phase started back in 2004. At that time, the prevailing wisdom was that mushroom mycelium thrived in a higher pH. RR
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I usually dump coffee grounds into a big pot of water, and boil it, and dump the pot over coir to hydrate it. For some reason it seems to allow more than one solid flush off the coir.... could just be in my head.
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