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Offlinejonnyshaggs420
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Affects of the moon: Lunacy?
    #555764 - 02/19/02 12:04 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

For the past 5-6 months my mood has been almost entirely based on the cycles of the moon. I say almost entirely, because I can still feel a range of emotions, only underpinned by a more dominat one(depending upon the moons phase).

When the moon is waning, I feel depressed and withdrawn. The meloncholy increases as the moon gets closer to New with its strongest effects being during the New moon. This is contrasted by the affect of the waxing moon. I began growing more manic, more anxious, and as my girl friend points out all too often, more paranoid as the moon gets closer to full. Again full effects are reached at Full moon, in which case I usually sit in my room alone and tear through papers and clothing littered on my floor all the time expecting some impending doom.

I'm wondering if anyone else has been stricken with anything similar, or knows of someone who has. Did it fade away? Is lunacy in fact a real disorder? Either way its really affecting my quest to become one of the college educated.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #555794 - 02/19/02 12:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Turn Off The Light, Nelly Furtado

I looked above the other day
Cuz I think I'm good and ready for a change
I live my life by the moon
If it's high play it low
If it's harvest go slow and if it's full then go
But after midnight
Morning will come
And the day will see, yeah
If you're gonna get some


Well, that's just a peice of it.

Anyhow, I think it's probably a sort of self fulfilling prophecy. I'll check my moods against the calendar, but I'll do it in a way that it won't be influenced; maybe by keeping track of my mood for a certain amount of time and then checking the lunar calendar against it afterwards. Unless I lose interest.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #556068 - 02/19/02 10:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't ever read any papers on 'lunacy', but from personal observation I would say it is a fact that the moons cycles effect peoples behavior. Ask anybody that works in the ER or with EMT and they will swear they can tell if it is a full moon out just by the increase in number of patients they see.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #556087 - 02/19/02 10:58 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Possible explainations:

1) Yes, the moon is affecting you.
2) No, it's a self fulfilling prophesy.
3) It's spiritual ( like some demonic thing going on ).
4) Could be natural Bio-rythems that co-incide with cycles of the moon.... If you think this is it start an emotional feelings journal and rate yourself every day for about a month. Then keep recording this and see if a pattern emerges that is between 26-34 days.....everyone has one..... Mine is 26 days and then repeats. I have even found that I am more accident prone on a specific day of my cycle. I've been charting and keeping track of my cycle for about six years now and its very regular and predictable.....


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #556152 - 02/19/02 12:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I also have weird mood shiftings and stuff in repeating cycles, but I have never looked if it was really connected with moon cycles and stuff.
I do know that most of the times, at full moon, most people get the weirdest and the weirdest things happen. Sometimes this is stronger, sometimes less. But I do see that the moon has great influence. Also on my mood, but more in how I experience it, than in what mood I am. Like: If I am happy with full moon, I am extremely happy, and in for doing weird shit. But If I am depressed or something, I am really upset and feeling really shitty.

I do have some explenations. The moon has great effect on our being, in a way that we are less ourselfes, but it is using apects of ourselfs.

Also, lower forces have more control during full moon. I experienced this best while I was tripping when it was almost full moon.
I was really in for tripping, in a weird way.
We tripped in the late evening of saturday night, and sunday it would be full moon. I felt and knew forces were lurcking at us, but they were waiting patiently to grab their chance.
I forgot about it, and had a nice trip, with some bad elements, but this was more due to other reasons (second trip in three days).
At the end when we were going to sleep, I was hearing really weird sounds. Still I didnt think about the full moon anymore.
But then it was as if a great force suddently striked at me and tried to pull me down and take me under control.
It failed, but I still dont really know why. Guess it was someone up their who "saved" me.

I know this all sounds pretty stupid and stuff, and I dont say it was real or anything. You may think of it whatever you want.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Seuss]
    #556253 - 02/19/02 02:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>>I haven't ever read any papers on 'lunacy', but from personal observation I would say it is a fact that the moons cycles effect peoples behavior. Ask anybody that works in the ER or with EMT and they will swear they can tell if it is a full moon out just by the increase in number of patients they see.<<

i know this to be true from experience. someone told me that it has to do with the moon's gravitional pull, as we (and our brains) are made of mostly water... the same way that the moon pulls the tides, it can affect us to a surprisingly large degree.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: mariasabina]
    #556278 - 02/19/02 03:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

>>I haven't ever read any papers on 'lunacy', but from personal observation I would say it is a fact that the moons cycles effect peoples behavior. Ask anybody that works in the ER or with EMT and they will swear they can tell if it is a full moon out just by the increase in number of patients they see.<<

i know this to be true from experience.

The full moon has been linked to crime, suicide, mental illness, disasters, accidents, birthrates, fertility, and werewolves, among other things. Numerous studies have tried to find lunar effects. So far, the studies have failed to establish anything of interest. Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:

-the homicide rate
-traffic accidents
-crisis calls to police or fire stations
-domestic violence
-births of babies
-suicide
-major disasters
-casino payout rates
-assassinations
-kidnappings
-aggression by professional hockey players
-violence in prisons
-psychiatric admissions
-agitated behavior by nursing home residents
-assaults
-gunshot wounds
-stabbings
-emergency room admissions
-behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults
-lycanthropy
-vampirism
-alcoholism
-sleep walking
-epilepsy

someone told me that it has to do with the moon's gravitional pull, as we (and our brains) are made of mostly water... the same way that the moon pulls the tides, it can affect us to a surprisingly large degree.

The fact that the human body is mostly water largely contributes to the notion that the moon should have a powerful effect upon the human body and therefore an effect upon behavior. It is claimed by many that the earth and the human body both are 80% water. This is false. Eighty percent of the surface of the earth is water. Furthermore, the moon only affects unbounded bodies of water, while the water in the human body is bounded.

The gravitational pull of a car passing by will have more effect on you than the moon some 1/4 of a million miles away.

As to menstruation and the lunar cycle, note that a woman's cycle on average is 28 days with fluctuations ranging up to +- 4 days, whereas the lunar cycle is a rock steady 29.5 days.; i.e. no correlatioon.

It's funny how upset people get on these boards for the propagation of drug myths, but equally absurd myths like the one stated are allowed to stand unchallenged, continuing the chain of superstition and ignorance.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Swami]
    #556321 - 02/19/02 04:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Well, you also have something calle biologic dynemic food (at least, its called like that in dutch). The farmers for this food see the moon and stuff as an important factor when they harvest and stuff, since it has influence on the fluids of the plant
Strangly enough, this food tastes much better...


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Swami]
    #556340 - 02/19/02 04:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The gravitational pull of a car passing by will have more effect on you than the moon some 1/4 of a million miles away.

As to menstruation and the lunar cycle, note that a woman's cycle on average is 28 days with fluctuations ranging up to +- 4 days, whereas the lunar cycle is a rock steady 29.5 days.; i.e. no correlatioon.


This actually could disprove your own point.
The fluctations could be coused by the suroundings. And here I am not only talkin about menstruation, but all the effects the moon has.
Small forms of excistence that hold fuids are more effected by their surrounings, since there are more bigger factors for the object than only the moon.
This doesnt mean that the moon doesnt have effect, but the effect isnt directly seen due to the wide range of other effects.

The reason why it could have more effect on farming, is that the plants are on huge acres of ground without other stuff on it influencing it.

Also, when do they say it isnt reliable due to chance?
When, at full moon the ER cases are, for excample (I dont know real numbers) on avarage like 3 percent higher, but they say due to chance it isnt relibable? Saying its just "coincedence"? It would still be the fact that its 3 percent higher.
When isnt it reliable anymore?
Do you blindly believe it when they say this? Have you seen the numbers yourself
And, how do you know it is the truth they are telling?


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Swami]
    #556354 - 02/19/02 04:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

i'm not saying i believe/disbelieve in that whole moon's gravitational pull theory, it was just something someone told me and i thought i'd mention it.

what i was speaking of as far as knowing it's true from experience, is that there are a lot more patients admitted to the hospital when the moon is full or near full, not only that, but the reasons for admission tend to be more unusual. at the hopital i worked at, everyone pretty much accepted this as fact... maybe i just worked in a superstitious hospital? if you don't believe me, just ask any ER staff or EMT.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #556520 - 02/19/02 07:32 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

My guess is that your mistaking the lunar cycle for your girl friends menstral cycle. I would bet that you either live with her or spend enough time with her to pick up her vibe. You are especially prone to be picking up her vibes if you take any kind of psychoactives like mushrooms acid or pot.

However I did have a very strange experience at a full moon drum circle that I haven't been able to explain:

I was participating in a get together of about 20 people or so on a grassy hill surrounded by woods. It was end of summer, early fall in nashville and very comfortably cool, moist, and still. We started smoking a little herb and drumming just as the already bright moon poked up over the horizon. Everyone's energy was unusually high and the drumming sounded great. As the moon reached its zenith we stopped drumming for a moment, stood up, and held hands. We did what is referred to as 'an ohm circle' we just slowly made long deep 'ohm's in harmony. Suddenly the voices phased together in a regular rythym of breathing and 'ohm'ing and I witnessed a large blue orb of energy rising from the woods immediately across from my perspective. The Orb rose just above the treeline and then the 'ohm's began to quell and it sank once again. No one else had witnessed the orb.

The drumming resumed once again and I saw a fairy dancing strangely down the hill slightly from the circle. As I approached the fairy suddenly squatted to the ground hunched forward. When I got close it had suddenly turned into a white rabbit. Then the white rabbit stood up and became my friend Thomas in his white robes. Thomas is an excellent drummer and has a very strong spiritual connection. I don't really know anything about him because we mostly communicate thru drumming and chanting and dancing. He was dancing about doing a lot of various handstand manuevers and cartwheel like moves. Suddenly I couldn't resist the urge to take off my shirt and shoes and follow his example. Some others from the circle followed suit and we were dancing around in the moonlight half dressed like a bunch of lunatics.

After the moon began to wane I started asking my friends if someone had put lsd in my water. I've never experienced such intense lucid hallucinations off marijuana. The effects were too short lived to have been acid or even shrooms. The pot was my girlfriends and I know it wasn't tampered with. No one else had experienced the same intense hallucinations but everyone present remarked that they felt they had been affected by the full moon.



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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #557279 - 02/20/02 10:40 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I just hope poor jonnyshaggs gets some helpful info from all the conflicting viewpoints.....I think I'm turning into a lunatic......


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Mycoangelo]
    #557935 - 02/21/02 12:07 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

The menstral thing might be a valid point, except I don't spend all too much time with her, working and classes and all. And I don't live with her, so I see her for a few hours a week tops. Besides, her cycle is no where near in tune with the moon....she menstrates sometimes in the waning phases of the moon, sometimes waxing...Its around the same time of the month usually, but not the same phase of the moon. And the psychoactive drug thing might sound likely, but I don't ingest/smoke/snort/huff/insert psychotropic substances into my body very often. On average about 4-6 times a year.

About your story, it sounds nice but I don't hold much merit for experiences held under the influence of a mind altering substance. Now had you said you experienced this without marijuana That would be quite the story. Next time try it sober.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Ulysees]
    #557952 - 02/21/02 12:23 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

???
How would you know the lyrics to a Nelly Furtado song?


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #557983 - 02/21/02 12:46 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have the CD. (Plus, I copied them from a website. I don't have all the lyrics memorized.)

That's right folks, it's not all Marylin Manson and Miles Davis for Ulysees. :wink:   


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: jonnyshaggs420]
    #557990 - 02/21/02 12:54 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Last fall I had an awesome experience on lsd and a full moon. The moon no doubt had an affect on my hallucinations and behavior. The clouds opened up and sucked me in man...for like 8 hours they took on various shapes of the gods, Natural law taught me that hugging a tree isn't crazy, the government is I tell you I made a very strong connection of the words luna, lunar, lunatic, lunacy, Since the experience, I've read various names for the goddess of the moon I met that cloudy night. Some of which are Luna, Diana, the africans have a moon goddess as well....and the list goes on......Thanks for reminding me that the moon has an effect in my life right now!


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: MichShroom]
    #558011 - 02/21/02 01:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

What's Saturn doing for all you people tonight? Some of you must be enjoying this, I know I'm not. (A: It's not really a good view from here, and I can't find my old telescope. B: It's cold out.)
I'm probably going to be indulging in some drugs in an hour or two, then doing some planetary voodoo. Hopefully something will happen. (Meaning: Good trip.) :wink: 


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #558098 - 02/21/02 02:43 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I havent heard much of her music but those lyrics were fairly good.


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Ulysees]
    #558112 - 02/21/02 03:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ITs all rainy here, can't get outside to see saturn, my bro has this big telescope too that he got for christmas, i wish i could get out there and see it, as for the moon thing, i often experience mood changes when the moon is full or near, i live on the inlet and have my whole life and i notice a big change in the vibe i get from the water when i ride on it during a full moon, i've noticed it for a long time just never really thought it strange, i usually get giddy and somewhat hyperactive, and get in the mood for hunting (women that is)


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Re: Affects of the moon: Lunacy? [Re: Ulysees]
    #558206 - 02/21/02 06:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Nooooo! I refuse to believe that you listen to that


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