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shrooms and anxiety
    #5556593 - 04/25/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

first - i'm sorry if i'm annoying and stuff :embarrassed:

i came here with concern because i recently got my hands on shrooms but i worry a lot that i'm going to have some terrible frightening trip when i take them (it'll be my first time). i read up on tips like creating a relaxed environment first, etc, but i doubt that things like that will make any significant difference. i have incredibly high anxiety and the first time i ever smoked marijuana was the last time, because the high was spent crying and irrationally freaking out over 'what if i'm never normal again?'

i thought that i could possibly take valium if it turns out to be a really bad trip and i'm freaking out, but i'm already on effexor and it seemed in the medication thread that there was already a lot of encouragement, if anything, to limit the use of those medications when interested in doing shrooms. but i don't think i can just stop taking effexor for this because the withdrawal is supposed to be pretty bad and i really do need it to function well.

the more i consider these things, i figure that i'm really just not someone who should be using the drug. but i support experimentation, and it was something that i'd been wanting to try.

and i have them just sitting on my counter now, mixed into a chocolate bar that my friend picked up for me in amsterdam.

thoughts..? i'm sorry really that i posted so much to read, i'm really not educated in these matters and i don't want to hurt myself.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5556641 - 04/25/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Simple as this, put them away for some time until your ready to take them. If you're scared to take them, then you don't want to take them... end of story. I didn't even need to continue reading your whole post, just by seeing the imediate doubt present in the beginning... it was enough to make a conclusion.

If your not ready no big deal, one who is excited and willing to take them won't have doubts. Do your research on here or many other websites (erowid.org) and learn if its what you want to experience. Once you are mentally ready for it, it will be the best thing ever, I promise. Initially though getting pass the first stages are pretty important I'd say.


Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (04/25/06 10:08 PM)


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5556645 - 04/25/06 10:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you already have high anxiety the chances are you won't have a good time. I think you need to sit down and seriously think about why you want to try psychedelics. If after that you still want to try them, google "bad trip guide".


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: Akamatsu]
    #5557277 - 04/26/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cheer up, don't hasten it, read whatever you can find on the topic, prepare yourself until you get to the point that you clearly understand: "I'm gonna do it whatever happens" or "It's a cool thing but I know I'm not gonna do it".

That's gonna be the day.
If you finally decide positive, just do all the preparations and get yourself a sitter. Whatever happens remember: you will be safely back in around 6-8hrs. The sitter will guarantee no unpleasant consequencies (accidental damage to furniture or yourself, unnecessary attention from neighbours or cops, visit to ER, etc).

Remember, it's not just you - lots of people haves serious anxiety when shrooming, I'm amongst them myself.

You'll either have:
a) your best time
b) your worst time

Most probably you will regard even the b) case (of a bad trip) as a precious life-changing experience in the days following the trip.
To sum it up, whatever happens chances are extremely high you will benefit this way or another.

In any case, finally it's gonna be your decision. Just remember, if you're resolute and you have serious intentions (I mean, not just a need to get baked), the mushroom will most probably be kind to you.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5561922 - 04/27/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you already experience anxiety, than mushrooms are the last thing you want to take. Mushrooms will severely increase your anxiety during the trip and you're likely to have a panic attack. You need to get past your anxiety before you can even consider any type of psychedelic. I also suffer from mild-moderate anxiety and can tell you from personal experience, mushrooms and anxiety do not mix.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: Wronguy]
    #5561995 - 04/27/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So, Wronguy, do you shroom (take acid, etc.) or not?


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: TmprarilyBanned]
    #5562022 - 04/27/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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TmprarilyBanned said:
So, Wronguy, do you shroom (take acid, etc.) or not?




That's just plain fucking rude.
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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: blink]
    #5562073 - 04/27/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"That's just plain fucking rude."
First, THAT's just plain fucking rude, watch your language.

Second, what did you mean by that anyway?


Edited by TmprarilyBanned (04/27/06 09:18 AM)


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: TmprarilyBanned]
    #5562219 - 04/27/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

How everyone handles anxiety, and how the anxiety plays a role in their drug use differs from person to person.

I've been prone to anxiety attacks in the past, and now and then I'll have a day or two where I feel like I am losing my mind -- just feel on edge, anxious, stressed, depressed, etc all day for no apparent reason. Some days I can control this on my own, other days I'll reach for the Ativan. However, this isnt as much as an issue as it used to be for me, and 9.9 times out of 10 I can deal with it without the Ativan now.

My boyfriend, has various anxiety issues -- and when he smokes weed, he'll have a 'bad trip', curl up, get really quite/depressed and generrally speaking does not like weed. However, he handles mushrooms very well and likes them alot, and hasnt had these issues become a problem for him while tripping.

Me? I trip on Mushrooms and LSD a fair bit. I've had people tell me that I shouldnt because 'you have anxiety issues'. However, I have found that mushrooms and LSD have actually been a help in dealing with the anxiety.

On mushrooms, I've found that they tend to give me a different perspective to look at the sources of anxiety from, and can help me come to terms with it -- or, it doesnt even come up at all during the trip. I think there has only been once I've had my anxiety lead me to a 'bad trip' -- and that was only for the last 45 mins or maybe an hour. However, it mostly just highlighted the lack of direction I was feeling in my life (and a major source of my anxiety), it wasnt that bad all around and no real complaints.

With LSD, its really helped me identify the root of my anxiety, and helped me find ways of dealing with it without needing to rely on Ativan to deal with it.

Like I said - its different for everyone, and all in all, my anxiety problems are/were not very severe to begin with (I dont think...), and I've been able to trip on LSD and Mush many times and never had it be a real problem while tripping.

However the thing is - if this emotional baggage/etc starts to come up : deal with it. Dont try to ignore it, dont try and fight it, dont try and change your thoughts, deal with the issues that are comming to surface.

For example, awhile ago - was tripping with my BF. He made some comment which upset me, then got my mind going down the whole 'what am I doing with my life?' train of thought - I started to try and fight these thoughts/feelings, and as I was doing that - the world around me started to get increasingly 'sinister' feeling, glowing red - looking evil. Finnaly, I was 'fuckit, I'll deal with this' .. I had a long talk with my BF to explain what he had said had upsetme and why - and then started to talk about my school/work/etc -- once I aired those things out, and started to talk about what was bothering me, the trip turned around for the better again.

I guess it just comes down to: are you ready/able/willing to deal with the mental issues that the mushrooms will bring up?

If you are looking for just a fun time, and just laughs and giggles : who knows, you may get that. However, if the deeper issues start to come to surface, it may turn into a very serious and reflective trip, and while it may not be the most fun - it can still be very usefull, and trying to fight this apsect of the trip can lead to a very bad trip.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5562236 - 04/27/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You're anxious because you don't know what you're getting into. Start with small doses and get accustomed to the effects. No reason to jump in head first. Things don't usually get hairy until you start taking larger doses...they're called "heroic" for a reason. A small amount of mushrooms can be a pleasurable experience, too. And if you find for some reason it's not, you don't have so much to uh...regret. :laugh:


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: TmprarilyBanned]
    #5562253 - 04/27/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You freaked out after getting high that you would stay that way, that right there tells me you're not ready... If you trip odds are you'll have a couple rough patches through the trip. It's not all smiles and warmth, and there are short periods where everything will seem colder, darker, and your mind starts racing. These are a normal part of shrooming.

While shrooms and weed are completely different drugs/experiences, weed does leave you closer to reality whereas shrooms seem to emerse you in another 'world' that's almost identicle to the real world. Least that's how I've always kind of felt about it, since the effects are more profound and can be seen all around you all at once rather than simply getting lost in individual objects (which still happense)I'm generally a layed back person and even I've had those thoughts of "what if I'm like this forever?" so it probably will happen to you as well eventually. You just gotta learn not to put so much weight on those thoughts and to realize that those are just paranoid drug enduced thoughts and that you're just thinking irrationally because you're in an impaired state of mind


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: StickyWater]
    #5562432 - 04/27/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dont do them until you feel comfortable with the idea that youre going on a journey and you might trip hard.

On shrooms people often feel like they will "never come down". If you felt this on weed, on shrooms it is much more intense, and its harder for someone to get the past that idea, if its already looping in their minds.

If you really wnat to trip, just find a couple people to do it with including a trip sitter. Keep researching. Get intouch with yourself.

and breathe..


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5562607 - 04/27/06 12:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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riseupwithfists said:
first - i'm sorry if i'm annoying and stuff :embarrassed:
have incredibly high anxiety and the first time i ever smoked marijuana was the last time, because the high was spent crying and irrationally freaking out over 'what if i'm never normal again?'





That reaction may not have been you,  it may have been the marijuana. It has that effect on a two friends of mine, and neither one has problems with anxiety. One of them is fine with mushrooms, though. The other has no experience that I'm aware of.

Read through the level one trip reports and see how many people report a bad time.  That might make you feel a little more secure. Taste the chocolate, no need to gobble.  :tongue2:


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: EvesApple]
    #5562948 - 04/27/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Marijuana gives me anxiety attacks during trips, but for some reason after it wears off I always smoke again and get headfucked. I see anxiety as somewhat of a necessety if it does come by. Last time I had a bad trip, I felt so good about myself after it was over, it was easier for me to manage time, and my anxiety in real life just began to diminish. I see it kind of like your having a therapy session somewhere in your head without you noticing, and when its all over, your informed and secure and aware of your own existence. Your mind multi tasks during the trip and the racing thoughts are actually being thought over even if you think the thoughts are too fast for you to find closure with. Mushrooms are good friends, theyll never do you wrong for no reason.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: Jon]
    #5571647 - 04/29/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ah i definitely didn't see that more people replied!

apologies for that and thank you all for the information/advice.

i was think that maybe i could just take 5-10 mg of valium before the mushrooms to assure that i wouldn't have a bad trip? and if need be, i could take more during the trip if i had some sort of panic attack.

hmm hmm? okay idea? i wanted to try it on my own and only take medication if needed, but a panic attack is really not something i want to get into. and it's not like i'm hxc straight edge about not taking valium often or anything, or in short supply of it


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5571733 - 04/29/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

nooo man other medication mixing with shrooms is not a bad idea. First you need to listen to some relaxing music you like.(RELAXING) like the beatles or some grateful dead. Make sure your parents are asleep and your room is clean with a lot of space. Also dont just read the bad trips read the wondeful trips people have went on experiencing the greatness of mushrooms. It will all be ok you just have to trust in the shrooms and remember its all in your head.


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Re: shrooms and anxiety [Re: riseupwithfists]
    #5571840 - 04/29/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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riseupwithfists said:i was think that maybe i could just take 5-10 mg of valium before the mushrooms to assure that i wouldn't have a bad trip? and if need be, i could take more during the trip if i had some sort of panic attack.




Okay, I like to encourage the timid, but if you feel you need drugs to do drugs then something's not right! You're already afraid of being afraid...what's the difference? Maybe a good ol' fashioned panic attack would be good for you...get it out of your system and over with and move on.

I take it all back. Flush the crutch down the toilet and snarfle the whole bar whole!  :runaway:


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