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Razman
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damn.. bad batch :(
#5556448 - 04/25/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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we just got a call from three friends who tried my mushrooms telling me they were weak!
i got nothin but compliments on my first 2 batches..
Once again i'm worried about strain degredation ... the LC from this batch was already in its third LC generation when i inoculated my jars (which i spawned to horse poo 1:6)..
Is loss of potency an obvious symptom of strain degradation / old mycillium? The size of the mushrooms were impressive.. no mutants..
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Razman
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5556452 - 04/25/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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here it goes.. im eating my last 2.5g (from the batch i havnt even tried yet).. if i trip my balls of ill know they're lying! i hate/love being my own guinea pig
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blissedout


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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5556474 - 04/25/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good luck! lol
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i8an8th
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: blissedout]
#5556490 - 04/25/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have had this same problem... I bought a bunch of syringes off ebay.. I made sum WBS jars and spwaned it to tenn stud.. I gave some to a friend actually a 1/2 oz... Him and another frined split it.. he though he would only have to eat 2 grams.. well he ended up eating the whole 1/4 oz and so did his friends and they both felt nothing... I tryed growing again with a diff syringe.. still the same problem.. then i just through them all out..
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bongtoke
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: i8an8th]
#5556515 - 04/25/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont think thats possible..LOL atleast with the potency i get..i can eat 1.5-2 grams and trip...and thats not on hpoo thats off regular brf/verm cased or on cakes,on my hpoo i wont go over 2 grams
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i8an8th
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: bongtoke]
#5556529 - 04/25/06 09:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No it is possibe.. Some times you can just get a bad sub-strain I guess..
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KaptKid
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5556540 - 04/25/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've had this problem on cakes, never horse poo. Tracked it back to weak spores.Got rid of tthem and never had this problem again.Don't see why it can't happen on horse poo also.
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PORkSOdA
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: KaptKid]
#5556563 - 04/25/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know... tripping isn't like anything else... It depends alot on the mood. I've tripped hundreds of times on mushrooms and IME you can supress the shrooms with the right mindset... maybe it's a bad substrain or whatever, but I don't know... You'd need alot of trips to know for sure.
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i8an8th
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: PORkSOdA]
#5556736 - 04/25/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mine had to be the spores I did multiple grows with them.. and nothing.. just alot of complaints...
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bartak59
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: i8an8th]
#5557158 - 04/26/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you remember the username of the person on eBay you got those from? I'm fruiting a batch of cakes right now with syringes I got off eBay.. this was before I found out about the sponsors.
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xsc
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: bartak59]
#5557275 - 04/26/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So can someone avoid strain degration buy buying new syringes from vendors each time? I hope so
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Razman
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: xsc]
#5557338 - 04/26/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its been 4 and half hours.. Lots of visual.. But no confusing mindfucking thoughts like im used to. fuck it makes me mad when my friends tell me how great my mushrooms are and then im told theyre weak..
not because it really MATTERS to me how good my mushrooms are, but because it FUCKS WITH MY HEAD.. i keep asking myself if im not really tripping cause these mushrooms are "WEAK" then im i just normally like this? TRIPPING OFF MY OWN THOUGHTS?? okay im tripping
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Pashasan
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5557387 - 04/26/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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come on. you don't sound like a noob. soo is it the right intensity or not? if you say you ate 2.5 grams extrapolate a 7 gram experience. did your buddy actually eat 7 grams or is he full of shit?
and what is the deal with degradation? is it a concern? if so how does one deal with it. how do the pros at the vendors deal with it?
pash
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Sinthetic
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Pashasan]
#5557730 - 04/26/06 07:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sounds like a couple of you guys need to look into making spore prints.
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blissedout


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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: PORkSOdA]
#5557801 - 04/26/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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PORkSOdA said: I don't know... tripping isn't like anything else... It depends alot on the mood. I've tripped hundreds of times on mushrooms and IME you can supress the shrooms with the right mindset... maybe it's a bad substrain or whatever, but I don't know... You'd need alot of trips to know for sure.
That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! If you eat some potent mushies and you aren't in the right mind set, you are saying that you will not trip? Come on, now. That's horseshit. You are going to trip. Period. Sorry, but it's true. Dude got some weak spores, or he has a degrading strain on his hands. That's all. Jeez.
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5557804 - 04/26/06 08:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had the same problem last weekend......
i had some friend of my boyfriend's call and say that he didn't feel a damn thing. they were keepers creeper spawned to hpoo....... it was his first time, and he split an 8th with his girl. the same night, i tried a gram and a half via lemon juice method, and i barely felt anything-but i did feel something.
then, the next day, me and a bunch of my friends ate an 8th each and went to downtown detroit-i definatly wasn't tripping as much as i usually do, but i was trippin. and my friends said they were having a good time too.
and i read that the potency fluctuates in that strain alot, so i'm thinking i didn't get too lucky with the potency........ but i guess every strain/person/ and mushie is different........ i was pretty bummed out.....
good luck next time!
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PORkSOdA
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: blissedout]
#5557831 - 04/26/06 08:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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blissedout said:
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PORkSOdA said: I don't know... tripping isn't like anything else... It depends alot on the mood. I've tripped hundreds of times on mushrooms and IME you can supress the shrooms with the right mindset... maybe it's a bad substrain or whatever, but I don't know... You'd need alot of trips to know for sure.
That's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! If you eat some potent mushies and you aren't in the right mind set, you are saying that you will not trip? Come on, now. That's horseshit. You are going to trip. Period. Sorry, but it's true. Dude got some weak spores, or he has a degrading strain on his hands. That's all. Jeez.
To a degree definately. Have you ever noticed how much music can affect a trip? I used to listen to Tales from the Punchbowl alot when I would trip and anytime I got to the song that was all just crazy noises I would totally lose my mind. Music affects your mood and your mood greatly affects the trip. If a strain degrades over time, why does it lose potency? How come it can make a nice perfect mushroom, but just happens to not be as potent? It sounds more like a myth to me than an actual scientific fact and I've never read anything that could make me change my mind about that.
Plus look at the thread. He took the mushrooms and seemed to trip. Why didn't his friends? How could the mushrooms be the problem when his dose worked fine and his friends dose didnt? Maybe they were doing cocaine or something. That will suppress a trip too.
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mycijor
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Razman]
#5557837 - 04/26/06 08:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Growing from multi-spore cultures can give you inconsistent results. For consistency I recommend you grow on agar first and choose a sector that works. To test agar cultures I sometimes bruise the sector and choose the one that has the strongest bluing reaction. The blue is the actual chemical that gets you high. If it responds well to cultivation I might not have to go back to spores for years without any degradation of potency. The spore syringe methods that lots of people use on this list is not reliable. It is already difficult enough to culture mushrooms. You are already most of the way there anyway. Why not go the extra step and isolate a strain that responds well for your conditions.
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Pashasan
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: mycijor]
#5558425 - 04/26/06 12:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycijor said: Growing from multi-spore cultures can give you inconsistent results. For consistency I recommend you grow on agar first and choose a sector that works. To test agar cultures I sometimes bruise the sector and choose the one that has the strongest bluing reaction. The blue is the actual chemical that gets you high. If it responds well to cultivation I might not have to go back to spores for years without any degradation of potency. The spore syringe methods that lots of people use on this list is not reliable. It is already difficult enough to culture mushrooms. You are already most of the way there anyway. Why not go the extra step and isolate a strain that responds well for your conditions.
u sure about that. i don't think that bluing is psilocin, it may be the precursor but if I'm not mistaken there is no psilocybin or psilocin till the fruiting bodies appear. I'm sure the bluing reaction can be an indicator, but I'm 99% sure its not the active alkaloid itself
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: mycijor]
#5560041 - 04/26/06 07:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mycijor said: Growing from multi-spore cultures can give you inconsistent results. For consistency I recommend you grow on agar first and choose a sector that works. To test agar cultures I sometimes bruise the sector and choose the one that has the strongest bluing reaction. The blue is the actual chemical that gets you high. If it responds well to cultivation I might not have to go back to spores for years without any degradation of potency. The spore syringe methods that lots of people use on this list is not reliable. It is already difficult enough to culture mushrooms. You are already most of the way there anyway. Why not go the extra step and isolate a strain that responds well for your conditions.
Ummm I've never seen the myc blues blue on a petri dish and even if it did all it means is oxidation of the psilocybin... All that agar does is allow you to isolate the fasts and most rhizomorphic chunk of myc...
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mycijor
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Re: damn.. bad batch :( [Re: Pashasan]
#5560561 - 04/26/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whether in a fruiting body or in agar culture the mycelium is the same. Look under a microscope if you are not sure. A fruiting body is just more dense. The blueing reaction is indeed evident in agar culture. It verifies the presence of psilocin. If you were experienced in agar culture then you would have no doubt. It is obvious that you do not do agar culture or you would know this already.
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