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MustardMan
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Few Questions about Salvia
#5556002 - 04/25/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey, I've never tried Salvia, Im hoping to get some soon...
1.) Is it in fact legal?
2.) Can you overdose?
3.) When your tripping on it, how fast does time go by? Does it in fact feel like the only 20 or so minutes it lasts?
4.) How much should you take for your first time?
5.) Whats the whole 20x 21x etc. value mean?
Thanks!
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: MustardMan]
#5556024 - 04/25/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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1) it is legal because there is no other "controlled" substance that is like it
2) trust me, you will never be able to take enough at one time to overdose, you will be to out of it.
3) time all depends on you. when i tripped on salvia, time went by slow when in fact i was only peaking for about 15 minnutes.
4) salvia can come in several extracts, 5x 10x ect. i reccomend starting with 10x.
and i would like to tell you that you may have a reverse tolerance, which will go away after a few uses.
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MustardMan
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: wortiesbo]
#5556048 - 04/25/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks
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DeathCompany
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: MustardMan]
#5556058 - 04/25/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the 10x just means how many grams worth of salvia divinorum leaves have been extracted and layed onto that 1 gram of product(ground leaves)
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: DeathCompany]
#5556070 - 04/25/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mg's
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MustardMan
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: EmptySpace]
#5556104 - 04/25/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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cool, even though I probably will nver be able to Overdose, can someone tell me toxic amounts for the average person, like in grams?
And also, is it safe to smoke salvia like all day over and over, like one trip to the next.
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: MustardMan]
#5556135 - 04/25/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you wont want to...
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: incubaby_421]
#5556256 - 04/25/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you pass out b4 you overdose. I guess it's safe to say with 15x it would be a oz b4 you would even have a chance at overdose
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ekornmeyer
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: time2]
#5556306 - 04/25/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't know man, I wouldn't start with 10x. I am trying it for my first time, and I am gonna start with 6x.
I've had lots of reports that this is the best way to start off. But if you think you can handle it, by all means go for it!
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5556400 - 04/25/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was pretty ignorant about salvia and did 40x for my first time. Extremely intense, thankfully I enjoyed it, but my friend was terrified. He believed that bugs were crawling into his ears and kept hitting his head against the wall. The next time I did it, it was 60x. Still have not experienced anything remotely similiar to that trip, very ethereal, it felt like I was on a plane of existence above the heavens.
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: Cloud_Man]
#5556434 - 04/25/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I did 20X my first time and all I experienced was effects similar to those of "whippits." That combined with the hand of god pushing me down making me paralyzed so it felt.
Otherwise I had no ridiculous journies the many speak of.
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enderwood
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#5556469 - 04/25/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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just start with 21x or higher, i have only tried 21x and its weak as it is. you can handle it, you wont overdose. and you wont be all messed up after, it goes away completely like 20 minutes after the trip.
im pretty sure you could trip like once every 30 minutes maybe, i havnt tried but it seems possible. give it a shot.
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Edited by enderwood (04/25/06 09:15 PM)
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ekornmeyer
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: enderwood]
#5556808 - 04/25/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Starting with 20x doesn't sound like a good idea, judging by the responses I got from my thread.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5549775/an/0/page/2
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5556842 - 04/25/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldnt take advise from anyone who compares 20x to whippits.....
I said It before and Ill say it again, most people dont have the slightest clue about salvia.
21X = weak? I dint even know what to say about that.
It is very likely that this plant has been used for thousands of years in simple leaf form. No one every had any good reason to call it weak. Calling salvia weak in any form is kind of like saying, "im slightly retarded, sort of slow is all"...........
Edited by stemmer (04/25/06 10:57 PM)
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: enderwood]
#5556846 - 04/25/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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enderwood said: just start with 21x or higher, i have only tried 21x and its weak as it is. you can handle it, you wont overdose. and you wont be all messed up after, it goes away completely like 20 minutes after the trip.
im pretty sure you could trip like once every 30 minutes maybe, i havnt tried but it seems possible. give it a shot.
Sounds like you get some bunk shit. Standardized 20X Salvia extract is nothing I would ever call "weak"! That shits mind blowing. At least the stuff from iamshaman...
And yes, you can keep smoking Salvia all night long, as I have done this several times...
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5556900 - 04/25/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you cant feel 2 hits of 5x(I have heard that alot), I wouldnt go so far as to say there is something wrong with you. I would just tend to think you dont know the first thing about hallucinogens.
Im well aware that salvia Is a very unique drug, but to call 20x weak or to compare it to whippits is just asinine.
To each his own for sure, but for those who dont like this drug or even,"dont get visuals" are playing a whole different ball game.
Edited by stemmer (04/25/06 11:05 PM)
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ctaf420
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: stemmer]
#5557044 - 04/25/06 11:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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SALVIA IS AMAZING PREIOD its diferent then any other drug today
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enderwood
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: ctaf420]
#5557303 - 04/26/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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stemmer, you misunderstand. i mean, you will break through with enough 21x smoked, but you can easily not break through by not taking huge hits. smoke a bowl of some good pot, then put a pinch of 21x in the pipe and take a moderate hit, not holding in for 30 seconds (you know, you can control how long you hold it in ).
if you believe you are ready, take a huge hit and hold it in for 30 seconds or more, you can handle a salvia trip as long as you dont have the 'oh no, i feel different, i must be dying!' mentality. you wont die, or get sick, just enjoy the ride.
i have smoked salvia 21x twice, if you want to trip, hold it in for 30 seconds, if you dont, then dont hold it in for 30 seconds and take a reletively small hit. its as simple as that. that is why it is weak. i have only tried 21x and if it gets weaker than that then it is not worth it.
it is nothing like taking a large dose of mushrooms or anything close to that.
just start with a small pinch-bowl, and put more and more each time. it does not take much extract (atleast 21x) to get hits.
sure, salvia can get pretty intense, but any normal person should be able to handle it. if you dont want a mind-blowing trip then why are you smoking it in the first place.
im trying to help someone out here, not sound like some kind of badass.
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Edited by enderwood (04/26/06 01:33 AM)
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: MustardMan]
#5557580 - 04/26/06 04:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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although others have addressed these questions, I thought I might take a crack too
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MustardMan said: 1.) Is it in fact legal?
Legal in most countries and most states (check at http://www.sagewisdom.org/ )
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MustardMan said: 2.) Can you overdose?
this is physiologically impossible - or functionally implausible: if you had all the production from mexico purified into a huge pile in front of you and somehow ingestied the purified salvinorin, you would be very sick, but salvinorin is less toxic than vitamine B, and you only get milligrams of it from a huge dose, so you cannot and will not be poisoned by it.
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MustardMan said: 3.) When your tripping on it, how fast does time go by? Does it in fact feel like the only 20 or so minutes it lasts?
both time and space are distorted, more than one moment coexists including all the space and all the thoughts as well as all the sensations, our sense of time and place is dependent on a more sequential stream of consciousness, with this (salvia) you have mental molasses or a stacking of experiencing overlaid the regular stream, or multiple streams all coincident.
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MustardMan said: 4.) How much should you take for your first time?
if you get plain leaf you must consume 1/3 of a gram of it, if you get 10x you need to consume between 1/50th to 1/20th of a gram of it. 10x is ten times more concentrated than plain leaf.
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MustardMan said: 5.) Whats the whole 20x 21x etc. value mean?
this question is answered above. but 20x has 20 grams worth of salvinorin spread onto just one gram of leaf, I would use 1/100th of a gram of good 20x. Standardized means that the measure is carefully done, and most of the nonessential waxes have been removed as well for a less harsh smoke.
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mike225
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Hey i just tryed some 20x salvia for the first time and im telling you right now there is nothing like it. Its so unxplainable. I didint even think it would be so intensed. instantly after hitting the bong and letting the smoke out i felt like something was happening. Bout 5 sec later i didint even remember i smoked salvia. It felt like pages flipping really fast and everything outside kept moving really fast. Sound were echos. I was so confused about everything i didint know what anything was and everything i looked at looked as if it shouldent be there or as if it was wrong. About 7 min later i come back. It took 20 min after i smoked it to feel alot better i became very sleepy though as if i havent slept. Overall it was an interesting experience but would i do it again? mmmmm maybe
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ekornmeyer
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: mike225]
#5558118 - 04/26/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm I kind of regret getting 6x now, lol. I think I should of went for the 10x, but eh oh well, there's always next week. :P
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EquilibriuM
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5558206 - 04/26/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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6X is useful. dont think you waisted your money...
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ekornmeyer
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5558249 - 04/26/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: 6X is useful. dont think you waisted your money...
I definitely do not. Iamshaman is great though, they shipped my order within 2 hours of ordering. Hopefully it gets here in a day or two.
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EmptySpace
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Re: Few Questions about Salvia [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5558864 - 04/26/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Salvia is very sensitive. It also takes a lot of work to get it right. Any potency is useful, just make sure that you put yourself in a good place, with very little stimulus. But, 20x is always fun and beneficial.
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