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A thought, er... question maybe?, for you.
    #5555263 - 04/25/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If everyone, both sides, all sides, are living in fear...why don't we all just stop? Is pride the only thing keeping all of this going? I suppose money could be a factor, but would that not also tie into pride?

Just a thought.

I wrote this last night while watching the news, disgusting.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555314 - 04/25/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



Who puts their gun down first?

How do you trust someone you fear? How do you trust yourself when you live in fear?


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555316 - 04/25/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It is pride and arrogance. Why is it do you think that religions preach letting go of Pride? Christ, Budda, Abraham, Mohammud each saw it a little different throught different cultural lenses, but the center of each is letting go of the self and respecting others. Problem is no matter how clear hte message from God, people are always the median point, and people are biased to their own side as a rule.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555326 - 04/25/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

veritas is full of pride like 99% of the world. His post is how most people see the world. It is a mistaken view. There is no answer down this path though we seem doomed to repeat it. No one learns. It is sad.


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555343 - 04/25/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I believe that you are mistaken.  Pride and arrogance are not the same quality. Religion is not the antidote to fear, nor the cure for war.  Love is the answer.

(And I am not male. :grin:)


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555382 - 04/25/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Veritas: To be honest, I always saw it that way, until recently at least, concerning "who puts the gun down first."

I guess I forgot about trust, maybe? I guess it'd all be so easy that it seems impossible. But because it is so easy...errr, frustration.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555397 - 04/25/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Belief in God, is belief in Love. God is Love, so yea God is the answer.


Sorry about the He thing I'll try to remember in teh future. I Knew you are a girl though I just get in the habit of using male pronouns and typing really fast on this site. peace


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"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555571 - 04/25/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I guess your version of God is very different from the religious God, then.  I cannot get behind the "old, jealous, vengeful white guy in the sky" version of God/Love, but if you mean the joyful flow of acceptance and pleasure (my definition of Love), then I believe in that:grin:


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555573 - 04/25/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Belief in God, is belief in Love. God is Love, so yea God is the answer."

Fuck god and don't mention it as a substitute for love. Love is love is what it is. You wanna make god a synonym to love, go declare it somewhere. Tommorrow is the funeral of a friend. He was 20 years old. Explain this to me from gods point of view. I say again from gods point of view. That is from the narrow-minded point of view.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555577 - 04/25/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The "trick" to ending the standoff is to desire peace and love more than you desire safety and power.  Once you are ready to risk it all in order to live according to higher values, the guns don't matter anymore. :heart:


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5555583 - 04/25/06 05:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Shit, sry man I am just a bit angry that's all... Didn't mean it the way it reads. I was just wrtiting what I think at the moment as always. Anyway, some people die young, some people live, if all people lived then the balance wouldn't be right. That doesn't make me feel better though. And that is good...because it shouldn't. Anyway I don't know what I'm saying... I am going to have some rest.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5555603 - 04/25/06 05:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that was a very true statement, and in a way, somewhat relevant.

Veritas: How can the greater desire alone for peace over safety stop it? There has to be an action. I think, or hope rather, that 99% of people have that desire to end everything and stop, but NO ONE is taking action, because if they were, it WOULD be over. Maybe that is too bold of a statement, I'm not sure.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555614 - 04/25/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Because few truly value peace and love over their own personal safety. They may claim to want peace, but their fears paralyze them & thus no action is taken.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: Veritas]
    #5555619 - 04/25/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

so now we have pride, fear, and survival.

I have to attempt to study and eat, I'll check back in on this, especially if I can develop my ideas more.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5555662 - 04/25/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

IMO, fear is the root of arrogance (as opposed to healthy self-assessment).  Our greatest fear is usually of being harmed or killed, so fear is at the root of survival concerns as well.

My experiences so far support the idea that the flow of our life energy/Love is strong when we are in a state of relaxation, surrender & acceptance, and weak when we are in a state of anxiety, tension & neurotic rejection of reality.

This can create a vicious cycle in which we feel weaker, more afraid of harm, and less capable of effecting changes in our lives.  As fear and tension increase, our life energy can become so limited that we don't enjoy being alive anymore.

The good news is that it is an illusion...the energy is still there, just constricted by our chronic tension and fear.  As soon as we relax again, the flow is restored & we begin to feel fully alive.  :heart:


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: demiu5]
    #5557572 - 04/26/06 04:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Domination..

Some people think they can control others.. ..where some people think they are controlled by others. and VOILA, the illusion is real..

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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: Gomp]
    #5558643 - 04/26/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"Those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Those who leadeth into captivity shall live in captivity" Revelations

Shroomerious I have no idea why God took your friend, but I do feel your pain. I lost my good friend of 19 years old a year ago last sunday. he was a great guy everyone loved him. I think the brightest candles always burn out the fastest. Not much consolation in that though, I'm sorry.

Faith is certain hope. I know someday mankind will get it right. War will be a long gone past memory. Hate and Racism long forgotten. The way I see it there are two ways that can happen. A LOOOONG time from now we finally wake up and as stated above 99% decide to have peace and love instead of hate, OR alot of us must die and the people who remain to rebuild must remember the attrocities of our age. Our rape of the earth. Our Prideful arrogance. If many die and civilazation collapses who left could doubt in God? We would all need each other afterwards no one would be expendable. Every life precious again.

My money is on the latter, with the current political situation. And to tell you teh truth I hope it happens.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5559079 - 04/26/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If many die and civilazation collapses who left could doubt in God?




What if only the atheists and agnostics and Buddhists survive the apocalypse? Why would those remaining suddenly have faith in God, if they had not before? If some Christians survive, but many die, why would those remaining all have faith, after their "saved" loved ones have been killed?

What is likely to change after a disaster is that the survivors would be primarily concerned with survival, and not religion.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: blaze2]
    #5559578 - 04/26/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not Muhammad. In my opinion Imam Ali co-constructed early Islam and created a balance between esoteric Truth and Muhammad's obvious fundamentalism.


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Re: A thought, er... question maybe?, for you. [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5559600 - 04/26/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Shroomerious said:
"Belief in God, is belief in Love. God is Love, so yea God is the answer."

Fuck god and don't mention it as a substitute for love. Love is love is what it is. You wanna make god a synonym to love, go declare it somewhere. Tommorrow is the funeral of a friend. He was 20 years old. Explain this to me from gods point of view. I say again from gods point of view. That is from the narrow-minded point of view.




I'd like to think your friend is in the bosom and Fullness of God, his origin.


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