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Politics At Its Best.
    #5554935 - 04/25/06 01:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We own much more oil now than we ever have and prices are going UP? And UP faster than ever before.

No better way to get the nation to $pay attention$ than to force a sharp rise in the cost of living, blame it on poorly understood and uncontrollable forces and then step in and save the day with a token promise that actually does nothing to lower prices.

My prediction. Prices will go back below $3.00 gal quick and Bushes approval rating will go up over 50% again.

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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5555044 - 04/25/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

gas aint going down until Iran, Nigeria, and Iraq settle down. That or Big Oil decides to cut prices and take losses.(hahahahahahahahahaha)


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555146 - 04/25/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I duno.. Bush needs to pull a HUGE rabit out of his ass to get Americans behind any war in Iran.

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Seriously, how many countries does this guy need to take over before daddy gives him a hug?


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5555229 - 04/25/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He needs no rabbit if bush wants war he will have one. Who will stop him? You? Me? Thousands of protesters? not likely. Congress is Republican and even Demo's will vote for an Iran war. Iran has alot of people really scared. You forget that Iran is PICKING the fight.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555280 - 04/25/06 03:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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blaze2 said:
He needs no rabbit if bush wants war he will have one. Who will stop him? You? Me? Thousands of protesters? not likely. Congress is Republican and even Demo's will vote for an Iran war. Iran has alot of people really scared. You forget that Iran is PICKING the fight.




I would say China and Russia would have something to say about the U.S. invading Iran.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: Rono]
    #5555296 - 04/25/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sure they will Rono, but at the same time I doubt it will stop US if thats what we decide to do. I'll say it again here. THis Iran thing will play out into WWIII. I just cant see it happening any other way.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5555332 - 04/25/06 03:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think even a warmonger like Bush wants war with Iran. At least not while our troops are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think a lot of people realize just how big Iran is. We'll be in over our heads if we go in.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5555707 - 04/25/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
I don't think even a warmonger like Bush wants war with Iran. At least not while our troops are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think a lot of people realize just how big Iran is. We'll be in over our heads if we go in.




All I know is that if you pay attention to the media, the drums of war are being pounded really heavily. The government and media was able to turn despair over 9/11 into support for an invasion of Afghanistan where the enemy was Al-Qaeda, then an invasion of Iraq where the enemy was Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction. Now it seems to have spread to the entire muslim world, with Iran and Palestine at the center. I'm sure they'll start in on Indonesia soon.
Every day there is more and more public outrage over muslims in general. And I won't say that it isn't being provoked by what seems to be a swell in the islamic world of public demonstrations against the west. However when I look at how this is being treated by the media in conjunction with what the Government is saying about Iran, it seems obvious to me that the powers that be are fanning the flames of contempt and gearing up for support for a war that once again will primarily benefit the rich.
It's an old story.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5555715 - 04/25/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's gonna go like this me thinks.

1. Israel strikes Iran
2. Iran does something crazy
3. US leaves Iraq where it stands and heads to Iran to help Israel
4. China and Russia send support for Iran
5. Japan sends support for US
6. Everyone dies


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: daimyo]
    #5555736 - 04/25/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It's gonna go like this me thinks.

1. Israel strikes Iran
2. Iran does something crazy
3. US leaves Iraq where it stands and heads to Iran to help Israel
4. China and Russia send support for Iran
5. Japan sends support for US
6. Everyone dies



7.  Jesus comes back and rules for 1,000 years

Hooray for armageddon! :grin:


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: Silversoul]
    #5555761 - 04/25/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:yesnod:

But, what if Ahmadinejad's Imam is the Truth?


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: daimyo]
    #5555769 - 04/25/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

7. Cockroaches worldwide throw a big-BBQed human party.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5555995 - 04/25/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We own much more oil now than we ever have and prices are going UP? And UP faster than ever before.

hmm. the only oil i own is a little canola and olive oil in my fridge.

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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: wilshire]
    #5556012 - 04/25/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have some aromatic oils I like to slather all over some pliant, nubile ummmmmm never mind. I have to touch my self now. Bye


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: gluke bastid]
    #5556031 - 04/25/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm pretty sure the whole reason that Iran is trying to get the bomb in defiance of the UN is because they are seizing a moment of opportunity. America has been at war so long, and its sparked so much controversy that the Iranian government knows that a third war would be politically impossible. They know that right now is their chance to get the bomb, and they're taking it.

It just goes to show you what happens when you cry wolf. We wasted all of our shit on the pointless war in Iraq, and now we can't fight the real dangers. Jesus, Bush is a fucking moron.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5556041 - 04/25/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5556426 - 04/25/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5557030 - 04/25/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure the whole reason that Iran is trying to get the bomb in defiance of the UN is because they are seizing a moment of opportunity. America has been at war so long, and its sparked so much controversy that the Iranian government knows that a third war would be politically impossible. They know that right now is their chance to get the bomb, and they're taking it.

It just goes to show you what happens when you cry wolf. We wasted all of our shit on the pointless war in Iraq, and now we can't fight the real dangers. Jesus, Bush is a fucking moron.



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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5557333 - 04/26/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure the whole reason that Iran is trying to get the bomb in defiance of the UN is because they are seizing a moment of opportunity. America has been at war so long, and its sparked so much controversy that the Iranian government knows that a third war would be politically impossible. They know that right now is their chance to get the bomb, and they're taking it.

It just goes to show you what happens when you cry wolf. We wasted all of our shit on the pointless war in Iraq, and now we can't fight the real dangers. Jesus, Bush is a fucking moron.




Bravo! You've hit the nail on the head! This may be Bush's biggest shit on mankind, and that's quite a big deal if you look how many shits hes already taken. I remember I used to be able to list them all. Ha! I'm not trying to write a novel,

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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5560138 - 04/26/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure the whole reason that Iran is trying to get the bomb in defiance of the UN is because they are seizing a moment of opportunity. America has been at war so long, and its sparked so much controversy that the Iranian government knows that a third war would be politically impossible. They know that right now is their chance to get the bomb, and they're taking it.




Hmmm I think that they are just another country trying to take advantage of the fact that nuclear energy is cheep, efficient and reliable. Shame on us for trying to keep such an important and easily available resource from an under developed nation.

Seriously. Even the white house admits that in order to build a bomb, Iran needs to have more than 200,000 centrifuges running constantly for a long time. Their announcement for building just 2000 centrifuges may be a start but its hardly any threat. Iran poses NO threat.

But we will bomb the shit out of them anyway.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: GabbaDj]
    #5560498 - 04/26/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

GabbaDj writes:

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Hmmm I think that they are just another country trying to take advantage of the fact that nuclear energy is cheep, efficient and reliable. Shame on us for trying to keep such an important and easily available resource from an under developed nation.




Where to start? So much ignorance expressed in so few words.

Let's see -- the country with the tenth largest proven reserves of oil and the second largest proven reserves of natural gas wants to spend trillions of dollars to provide electricity for its populace rather than using its natural gas? Yeah, that's real likely.

Nuclear energy is NOT cheap. And the process of setting up the infrastructure to produce one's own enriched uranium rather than buying it elsewhere is horrendously more expensive still than building and running the nuclear plants.

It is far from "easily available" -- that's why so few countries in the world produce enriched uranium, duh! Because it's the exact opposite of easily available.

And no, they don't need 200,000 centrifuges. A cascade of 54,000 will produce enough highly enriched uranium for several bombs in a matter of months.



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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: Phred]
    #5560537 - 04/26/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We should have built them a nuclear plant along time ago as a token of friendship and then there would be no gas problems with them and they would have no way to hide buildign a bomb. Why should they do anything we want when we do NOTHING for them for 60 years or so, and steal their land and give it to JEWS(biggest mistake of human history). We asked for this. I dont blame them a bit for wanting to wipe us off teh face of teh earth they see fat happy arrogant prideful blind bastards stuffing their faces and throwing money around like nothing while the other half of the worlds population lives in squallor. the half that is muslim I might add.

That said, it makes me sad that we left them no other choice.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5560553 - 04/26/06 09:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

muslims live in squalor because the politics of their countries are both fascist and extremely unstable. 

Although I do agree that the nation of Israel was a bad idea.  The Illuminati, man.  Fulfilling the prophecies of Revelations!  Immanetizing the Eschaton!  :tinfoil:


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    #5560669 - 04/26/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats teh point man their way of life is suited for the desert where life is so hard day to day that survival takes precedence. you cant have people argueing liek a bunk of women. Someone has to lead. Democracy couldnt have evolved there it wasnt meant for there. Besides I'm inclined to agree with them about not liking Democracy at all. Its a bad thing. So is their way though. thing is no one seems to want to look for something better. Democracy makes you content it does not make you Happy. thats a huge difference. The islamic way makes men happy but cares less what happens to slaves or women. Not cool either. Nope neither works. Time will prove this as we find somethign better. no one seems to dream bigger these days though. Peace

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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5560682 - 04/26/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

And it doesnt matter why they live in squaller it is still the truth why should they care about us when all they see is people not caring about them? Why? I'm askign you man, but I highly doubt you will have an answer.


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5560810 - 04/26/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree that fascism has a time and place. I also agree that democracy isn't perfect. I'll even agree that the muslims have legitmate reasons to mistrust the Western world.

But that doesn't mean that the Muslim world is anywhere close to correct. Politically, philisophically, economically, they are wrong, wrong, and wrong some more. I'd sooner give nukes to a retarded 5 year old than them.


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    #5560870 - 04/26/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Of course they are wrong, but did you ever stop to wonder if they are wrong for a purpose?

I dont know if you believe in God, but I do. That all things happen for a reason is apparent to me now. I am not a hipporcrite like most "christians" today if EVERYTHING has a reason so does the islamic Jihad. You probrobly see it as a contradiction to me its the perfect contradiction of Duality. Its right and wrong just liek everything else on this earth. God created it too. If for no other reason than to control the population of the earth. If they nuke us then it will be Gods will. They wont win either though. I thikn its supposed to be a kill each other off sort of thing, get rid of all the hypocrites and start over. If world war III comes along man you can bet that patience and faith will be all that will save you.

I dont think the earth can handle this many crazy humans raping it much longer. Things have gotten out of balance(and only just recently I might add).


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Re: Politics At Its Best. [Re: blaze2]
    #5561125 - 04/26/06 11:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I hope that there is a God, and I hope that he is Just.

But I wouldn't go so far as to rely upon his existence. Like the founding fathers, I am a deist.

Everything happens for a reason? So what exactly is the reason for millions of Jews dying in the Holocaust? What exactly is the 'higher purpose' of African children starving to death?

There may be a God, but that nigga either doesn't know or doesn't show what's happenin' in the ghetto. You feel me? It would be irresponsible of us to assume that everything will work out if we just let it be.


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    #5563377 - 04/27/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I hope that there is a God, and I hope that he is Just.

But I wouldn't go so far as to rely upon his existence. Like the founding fathers, I am a deist.

You engineer your own existence everyone does, but do you choose to engineer it towards love, compassion, fellowship, brotherhood or do you leave only hate violence and war as your options? If its the first then you already rely upon his existence, you just havent realized it yet.

Everything happens for a reason? So what exactly is the reason for millions of Jews dying in the Holocaust? What exactly is the 'higher purpose' of African children starving to death?

Why did the jews die? so that we would give them back Isreal, and begin teh end times. Explain how they would have got back palestine another way?

THe children of africa starve because we let them we could fix it anytime by merely giving up some of what we have to pay for the food and medicine they need. GOd will punish us for this rest assured.


There may be a God, but that nigga either doesn't know or doesn't show what's happenin' in the ghetto. You feel me? It would be irresponsible of us to assume that everything will work out if we just let it be.




He shows it everyday in everything that happens. In every flower, tree, bird, and baby. It would be fine if we just let it be, but NO ONE lets it be thats why it isnt fine. We find problems to fix and make new ones in the process. If civilazation had not happened nature just would have kept on going. Let it be to teh extreme.

I cant control everyone else all I can do is put faith in God. I'm not saying america as a country should do the same(I know they wont, the presume to be know more than God). Just you and me adn anyone else listening man. America(and all other countries at this point) have already gone down this path far to long to change anythign now. At this point all one can do is wait for it to play out. And pray of course.


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