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Something to brighten your day. NOT
    #555216 - 02/18/02 11:23 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

From: djdragonfly@excite.com
Reply-To: "Groovetribe!"
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:02:37 -0800
To: "Groovetribe!"
Subject: odd 9-11 details

the info below may fall squarely in the category of self-fanning
conspiracy theory ranting. but some of the links and details are

curious to hear others' thoughts on them. hard to believe 9-11 was
the JFK assassination of our time, but i wouldn't be surprised if
there were people who did find out early, but failed to act because
of potential personal gain.

eg: check out the AB Brown Trust stock shorting story.

the world remains an infinitely complex place.


There are now 12 Congressional Committees planning to investigate 9-
11, and how it was allowed to occur. Bush & Cheney have taken the
unprecedented step of urging the Senate to "limit" inquiries into 9-
11. Read the below reports and you may understand "why" Bush and
Cheney don't want this in the light of day. [Also, Canadian
Television Program SCALDS mainstream US media for completely ignoring
the below disturbing reports.]

spoken of a list of 40 to 50 nations where US military strikes may
occur. If another major terrorist strike occurs in the US, we may
very well lose our civil rights completely. As this begins to come
out there may be some desperate people in our government that will do
desperate things. We must act now, while we still have freedom to
act. For a freely emailed Activist Kit, reply to
findtruth40@hotmail.com with "Send Kit" in the subject line.

Does all this sound too bizarre? I'm sure pre-war Germans had the
same skepticism in the 30's. After seeing the "Superbowl-Neuremburg
Rally" on Sunday, any conscious person should begin to be worried.

We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation.
--Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

What do we know of 9-11 that should be investigated?

Pre 9-11 Intelligence Breakdowns:
- Reportedly the Bush Administration forced the FBI to "back
off" on their investigations of terrorism in the Middle East. FBI
Deputy Director O'Neill (killed in WTC on 9-11) reportedly resigned
not long before 9-11 over this investigative obstruction, claiming
that the main obstruction was the interests of American Oil
Companies. (Source: Recently released French Book, "Bin Laden,
La Verite Interdite" (Bin Laden, the Forbidden Truth)

- US Oil interests were well represented within the negotiating team,
that apparently was the source of the threat to "bury Afghanistan in
a carpet of bombs" unless they played ball in creating a major oil
pipeline through Afghanistan. This threat was reportedly made
several months before 9-11. (Bush's family has a strong oil
background. So do some of his top aides.

-U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney was until the end of last
year president of Halliburton, a company that provides services for
the oil industry;

-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice was between 1991 and 2000
manager for Chevron;

-Ministers of Commerce and Energy, Donald Evans and Stanley
Abraham worked for Tom Brown, another oil giant.
[ BBC interview on the above issue: - The Bush Administration forced
the FBI to back off of the Bin Laden investigation months before 9-
11. Source: BBC transcript BUSH ? BIN LADEN HIDDEN AGENDA!

- CIA Station Chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden only 7 weeks before 9-
11 took place, yet they did not try to apprehend him, only met with
him. - The CIA station chief in Dubai met with Bin Laden 7 weeks
before 9-11, and at a time when Bin Laden was supposedly "wanted" by
the CIA.
(German Trans.) http://www.orf.at/orfon/011031-44569/index.html

- US government agent claims the CIA has been dealing with Bin Laden
since 1987, and he suggests in his interview that the terrorist acts
of late may well have been planned and paid for by the CIA with US
taxpayers money to enable the Bush Administration to "legitimately"
bomb Afghanistan into submission.

An interview with Michael Springman exposes the CIA's links
with the terrorist attacks on September 11 [Michael Springman worked
for the US government for 20 years with the foreign service and
consulate. He just went public with the story of his involvement in a
large scale CIA operation that brought hundreds of people from
the middle east to the US, issued them passports and trained them to
be terrorists. Hear the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
interview here. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewNote.cfm?REF=1267]

-Insider Trading profits off the 9-11 terror don't lead to
Osama Bin Laden, but to AB Brown Trust, until recently chaired by the
3rd highest man in the CIA.

-[Someone with considerable financial resources, and foreknowledge of
the terrorist event, put stock options "against" the airlines that
were to explode that week of 9-11. - INSIDER TRADING PROFITS from 9-
11 were reported by the US media when they thought it was Arab
terrorists . . . but then the story mysteriously died. Then the UK
Independent revealed that it leads to a firm chaired by the 3rd
highest man in the CIA (and stranger still is that $2.5 million of
the "winnings" are still unclaimed (see below for URL to entire
story). http://globalresearch.ca/articles/RUP110A.html .
Info confirmed by Independent Newspaper in UK:

[Standard FAA and DOD "intercept and shoot down procedures" were
violated on 9-11 (see FAA and DOD procedures on "intercepts").]
It is a FACT that standard intercept procedures for dealing with
these kinds of situations ARE TOTALLY ESTABLISHED, IN FORCE and ON-
LINE in these United States 365 days a year, 7 days a week, 24 hours
a day. Regarding rules governing IFR requirements, see FAA Order
- 'Procedures for Handling Airspace Matters,' Effective Date:
December 7, 2000 (Includes Change 1, effective July 7, 2001), Chapter
Full text posted at:

- Guide to Basic Flight Information and Air Traffic Control (ATC)
Procedures,' (Includes Change 3 Effective: July 12, 2001) Chapter 5-
6-4 "Interception Signals" Full text posted at:

- FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3
Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-2-5 "Emergency Situations"
Full text posted at:

- FAA Order 7110.65M 'Air Traffic Control' (Includes Change 3
Effective: July 12, 2001), Chapter 10-1-1 "Emergency Determinations"
Full text posted at:

- FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date:
>November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000;
Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 4, Section 5, "Air
Defense Liaison Officers (ADLO's)"
>Full text posted at:

- FAA Order 7610.4J 'Special Military Operations' (Effective Date:
November 3, 1998; Includes: Change 1, effective July 3, 2000;
Change 2, effective July 12, 2001), Chapter 7, Section 1-2, "Escort
of Hijacked Aircraft: Requests for Service"
>Full text posted at:

- Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction 3610.01A,' 1
June 2001, "Aircraft Piracy (Hijacking) and Destruction of Derelict
Airborne Objects," 4. Policy (page 1)
>PDF available at:
>Backup at:

For a clear and detailed description of flight plans, fixes, and
Air Traffic Control, see: 'Direct-To Requirements' by Gregory Dennis
and Emina Torlak at: http://sdg.lcs.mit.edu/atc/D2Requirements.htm

Absolutely NO executive-level input of ANY KIND is required for
standard intercepts to be scrambled.


The UK Independent Newspaper has questioned how Bush, who claimed in
two public appearances to have seen the first plane hit the first
tower on television the morning of 9-11, before the 2nd tower got
hit? The significance of this is that no one in the world saw that
first tower get hit, at that time, on television. They also question
why Bush continued to sit with elementary school students after the
2nd tower was hit and he was informed, "America is under attack."
Standard procedure for such a situation is to whisk the President
away, if not for his safety, for the safety of the students. Unless
he knew something more than we did that morning. The Independent
asks, "what television station was HE watching?"

Is it Outrageous to Consider that Elements of a Nations' Government
Could Committ Terror on It's Own People for Political Reasons?

- ABC News.com's May/2001 story resurfaces about how the US Joint
Chiefs of Staff have in the past ACTUALLY DESIGNED a plan to committ
domestic terror on Americans to whip them into a war hysteria, to
support war efforts by the govt.

[The National Security Archive has a PDF version of the Operation
Northwoods plan, which author James Bamford says "may be the most
corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government." It can be found at
the following URL:]

After 9-11 Oddities:

Anthrax sent to top Democrat Daschle and to the U.S. media (NBC & The
National Inquirer) had the effect of "uniting the nation behind the
Bush Administration's war effort," and literally shutting down
Congress in many ways.

Oddities exist when the anthrax issue is looked at closely:
- New Science Journal says Anthrax sent to Daschle is NOT Russian or
Iraqi, but likely US military strain.

- San Francisco Chronicle reports, the anthrax strain produced in US
University is destroyed on ok of FBI (they had studied this for
years, some at university question the timing of the destruction of
those anthrax spores . . . right now of all times (?))


Terror Anthrax Linked to Type Made by U.S.
The powder used in the anthrax attacks is virtually
indistinguishable from that produced by the United States
military, according to federal scientists.

After 9-11 Administration Damage Control Efforts:

Fire Engineering Magazine assails the incredible speed that the
evidence in the WTC collapse is being destroyed. Never
in the history of fire investigations has evidence been destroyed
this fast before exhaustive investigations can be completed. ["We
must try to find out why the twin towers fell" By James
Quintiere,Baltimore Sun 1/3/01
- Bush Admin. declares they will "seal the records of presidents
beginning with Father Bush/Reagans (an act never before done in US
presidential history)."

- "It is not a stretch to wonder if this White House is up to
something that it doesn't want known 12 years from now or
anytimethereafter. [A direct quote from the piece carried by Scripps
Howard News Service, 11/5/2001. Re: Bush's sealing of presidential
records for the first time in U.S. history]

- Bush & Cheney urge Senate Leader to "limit" inquiries into 9-11:
Senate perplexed by this. Don't go there: Bush Asks Daschle to Limit
Sept. 11 Probes Date: Wednesday, January 30 @ 10:09:24 EST
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority
Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation
into the events of September 11, congressional and White House
sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders
Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation. He
asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look
into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have
allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry
that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said.

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice
President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.

"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what
happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from
the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.

But, Daschle said, he has not agreed to limit the investigation. "I
acknowledged that concern, and it is for that reason that the
Intelligence Committee is going to begin this effort, trying to limit
the scope and the overall review of what happened," said Daschle, D-
South Dakota. "But clearly, I think the American people are entitled
to know what happened and why," he said.

Foreign Officials have powerful concerns over 9-11:

[Source: Tagesspiegel, Berlin, Jan. 13] PARTIAL TRANSLATION

In a full-page interview with the Sunday edition (Jan. 13) of the
Berlin Tagesspiegel daily, former German Minister of Technology,
Andreas von Buelow, said he does not buy any of the official theories
that have been presented to date, on the events of September 11.

Q: You seem so angry, really upset.

Von Buelow: I can explain what's bothering me: I see that after the
horrifying attacks of Sept. 11, all political public opinion is being
forced into a direction that I consider wrong.

Q: What do you mean by that?

Von Buelow: I wonder why many questions are not asked. Normally, with
such a terrible thing, various leads and tracks appear that are then
commented on, by the investigators, the media, the government: Is
there something here or not? Are the explanations plausible? This
time, this is not the case at all. It already began just hours after
the attacks in New York and Washington and--

Q: In those hours, there was horror, and grief.

Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26
intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--

Q: ...more than the German defense budget...

Von Buelow: --which were not able to prevent the attacks. In fact,
they didn't even have an inkling they would happen. For 60 decisive
minutes, the military and intelligence agencies let the fighter
planes stay on the ground, 48 hours later, however, the FBI presented
a list of suicide attackers. Within ten days, it emerged that seven
of them were still alive.

Q: What, please?

Von Buelow: Yes, yes. And why did the FBI chief take no position
regarding contradictions? Where the list came from, why it was
false? If I were the chief investigator (state attorney) in such a
case, I would regularly go to the public, and give information on
which lead are valid and which not.

Q: That sounds like--

Von Buelow: --like assailants who, in their preparations, leave
tracks behind them like a herd of stampeding elephants? They made
payments with credit cards with their own names; they reported to
their flight instructors with their own names. They left behind
rented cars with flight manuals in Arabic for jumbo
jets. They took with them, on their suicide trip, wills and farewell
letters, which fall into the hands of the FBI, because they were
stored in the wrong place and wrongly addressed. Clues were left like
behind like in a child's game of hide-and-seek, which were to be

There is also the theory of one British flight engineer: According to
this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots'
hands, from outside. The Americans had developed a method in the
1970s, whereby they could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into
the computer piloting [automatic pilot system]. This theory says,
this technique was abused in this case. That's a theory....

Q: Which sounds really adventurous, and was never considered.

Von Buelow: You see! I do not accept this theory, but I find it worth
considering. And what about the obscure stock transactions? In the
week prior to the attacks, the amount of transactions in stocks in
American Airlines, United Airlines, and insurance companies,
increased 1,200%. It was for a value of $15 billion. Some people must
have known something. Who?

Q: Why don't you speculate on who it might have been.

Von Buelow: With the help of the horrifying attacks, the Western mass
democracies were subjected to brainwashing. The enemy image of anti-
communism doesn't work any more; it is to be replaced by peoples of
Islamic belief. They are accused of having given birth to suicidal

Q: Brainwashing? That's a tough term.

Von Buelow: Yes? But the idea of the enemy image doesn't come from
me. It comes from Zbigniew Brzezinski and Samuel Huntington, two
policy-makers of American intelligence and foreign policy. Already in
the middle of the 1990s, Huntingon believed, people in Europe and the
U.S. needed someone they could hate-- this would strengthen their
identification with their own society. And Brzezinski, the mad dog,
as adviser to President Jimmy Carter, campaigned for the exclusive
right of the U.S. to seize all the raw materials of the world,
especially oil and gas.

Q: You mean, the events of Sept. 11--

Von Buelow: --fit perfectly in the concept of the armaments industry,
the intelligence agencies, the whole military-industrial-academic
complex. This is in fact conspicuous. The huge raw materials reserves
of the former Soviet Union are now at their disposal, also the
pipeline routes and--

Q: Erich Follach described that at length in Spiegel: ``It's a matter
of military bases, drugs, oil and gas reserves.''

Von Buelow: I can state: the planning of the attacks was technically
and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge
airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them
into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is
unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of
the state and industry.

Q: You are a conspiracy theorist!

Von Buelow: Yeah, yeah. That's the ridicule heaped [on those raising
these questions] by those who would prefer to follow the official,
politically correct line. Even investigative journalists are fed
propaganda and disinformation. Anyone who doubts that, doesn't have
all his marbles! That is your accusation.

Q: Your career actually speaks against the idea that you are not in
your right mind. You were already in the 1970s, state secretary in
the Defense Ministry; in 1993 you were the SPD [Social Democratic
Party] speaker in the Schalk-Golodkowski investigation committee--

Von Buelow: And it all began there! Until that time, I did not have
any great knowledge of the work of intelligence agencies. And now we
had to take note of a great discrepancy: We shed light on the
dealings of the Stasi and other East bloc intelligence agencies in
the field of economic criminality, but as soon as we wanted to know
something about the activities of the BND [German intelligence
agency] or the CIA, it was mercilessly blocked. No information, no
cooperation, nothing! That's when I was first taken aback.

The Legacy:
"On the surface, selling arms to a country that sponsors terrorism,
of course, clearly, you'd have to argue it's wrong, but it's the
exception sometimes that proves the rule."

- George Bush on Good Morning America. 01/28/87

"You f**king son of a bitch, I saw what you wrote. We're not going to
forget this.",

- George W. Bush shouted at writer & editor Al Hunt,
& his 6 yr old son in a restaurant - 1988 ....

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We may be witnessing the Nazification of our nation.
--Toni Morrison, Nobel laureate in literature, January, 2002

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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: DrStrange]
    #555355 - 02/18/02 02:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Your tinfoil hat needs another layer.

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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: DrStrange]
    #555565 - 02/18/02 07:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I think this calls for the heavy duty tin foil..


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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: Innvertigo]
    #555645 - 02/18/02 09:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

You people trust your government too much. I think you need to take your heads out of your asses and consider the fact that what this guy is saying just might have something to it.

Our quest for discovery fuels our creativity in all fields, not just science. If we reached the end of the line, the human spirit would shrivel and die. But I don't think we will ever stand still: we shall increase in complexity, if not in depth, and shall always be the center on an expanding horizon of possibilities.
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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #556074 - 02/19/02 10:31 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

No, No!!! The tinfoil is for the windows!!!

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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: DrStrange]
    #556145 - 02/19/02 12:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Shiny side out.......shiny side out....

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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #556444 - 02/19/02 06:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I have a very healthy distrust of government. I also happen to have a healthy distrust of goofball conspiracy theories. Just because the black helicopters came and put a chip in YOUR head, doesn't mean everyone has one.

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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #557178 - 02/20/02 08:39 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

And people like you trust anything else that is told them. You'd have to be crazy to trust everything that the government tells you. You'd have to be even more crazy to listen to these nutballs that want everything to be a conspiracy.


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Re: Something to brighten your day. NOT [Re: wingnutx]
    #557597 - 02/20/02 05:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

OK, I know this sounds crazzzzeee, but one day me and a co-worker were on the 27th floor looking out the window at the sunset and I kid you not....a black helicopter was hovering 100 ft away and it was making ZERO noise. It was kinda weird.

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