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I can't stand The Grateful Dead
    #5551753 - 04/24/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I something wrong with me? Am I missing something? I admire the Dead for their ability to succeed financially without selling out. That's awesome! But their music makes me cringe. It is so unpleasantly sloppy, everything is always out of tune, and it goes on...and on...and on...same song...for half an hour...it never seems to transcend, just never-ending guitar solos and off-key bluegrass harmonies. Ugh!

As a musician, the Dead have sounded to me to be in poor form. Am I OK?


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551764 - 04/24/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551766 - 04/24/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551773 - 04/24/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think what people enjoy about the Dead is the scene, rather than the music. Everyone hanging out, listening to some jams by a group of guys just like you. Listening to the music brings you back to the show. But that's only how I see it.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551785 - 04/24/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Who the hell are the greatfull dead???  :confused:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5551794 - 04/24/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Jerry Garcia >


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5551797 - 04/24/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the pubs god


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Sundrop]
    #5551802 - 04/24/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Posted earlier in another forum.....


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: PinballWizard]
    #5551813 - 04/24/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I think what people enjoy about the Dead is the scene, rather than the music. Everyone hanging out, listening to some jams by a group of guys just like you. Listening to the music brings you back to the show. But that's only how I see it.




When I go to see The Dead(or any other band of that nature) I go for the music. If someone is going for the reason other than to listen to music than they are going for the wrong reason.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: barfightlard]
    #5551823 - 04/24/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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bellylard said:
the pubs god




Why is that then???  They sound shit to me.. :confused:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: HSIHd]
    #5551830 - 04/24/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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HSIHd said:
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PinballWizard said:
I think what people enjoy about the Dead is the scene, rather than the music. Everyone hanging out, listening to some jams by a group of guys just like you. Listening to the music brings you back to the show. But that's only how I see it.




When I go to see The Dead(or any other band of that nature) I go for the music. If someone is going for the reason other than to listen to music than they are going for the wrong reason.


more like wasting money..


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5551849 - 04/24/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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the pubs god




Why is that then???  They sound shit to me.. :confused:




the greatful dead's cultish following is proof positive that people will follow the suckiest band in the world around if there's good dope along for the ride...  It seems to me that LSD is the ONLY reason that the Dead were popular...  because they sure as hell are not a very good band, from an objective point of view anyway. 

You could have the best sounding, most thought-provoking band in the world and if there weren't acid at the shows, those fake-ass hippies wouldn't show up. 

The fact of the matter is that drugs have a heavy influence on people.  If the only way to get good acid was to go to see Barney the Dinosaur in concert, then people would follow that motherfucker around, too.

its funny to think that a subculture which considers itself anti-materialist is so easily swayed by a material substance like LSD... 


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551854 - 04/24/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:shrug: they're my favourite band, and quite often the only band i listen to. i'm a musician as well, and consider myself to have quite a discerning music taste when it comes to jazz, progressive, hip-hop, electronic, etc - but the dead causes my soul to dance against my will.

i long ago gave up trying to convince people that they are amazing, though - i'd rather just listen to the music play :gd_icon:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Krishna]
    #5551877 - 04/24/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

:confused:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5551881 - 04/24/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Amatoxin said:
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bellylard said:
the pubs god




Why is that then???  They sound shit to me.. :confused:




the greatful dead's cultish following is proof positive that people will follow the suckiest band in the world around if there's good dope along for the ride...  It seems to me that LSD is the ONLY reason that the Dead were popular...  because they sure as hell are not a very good band, from an objective point of view anyway. 

You could have the best sounding, most thought-provoking band in the world and if there weren't acid at the shows, those fake-ass hippies wouldn't show up. 

The fact of the matter is that drugs have a heavy influence on people.  If the only way to get good acid was to go to see Barney the Dinosaur in concert, then people would follow that motherfucker around, too.

its funny to think that a subculture which considers itself anti-materialist is so easily swayed by a material substance like LSD... 



what about this post was objective?


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5551886 - 04/24/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've never heard a Grateful Dead song before.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5551889 - 04/24/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've found those who disregard the music of the dead dont actually know much of their music or lyrics.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Basilides]
    #5551893 - 04/24/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

open this in your media player of choice.

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Krishna]
    #5551911 - 04/24/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i like the dead
they taste good in my ear
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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: notapillow]
    #5551917 - 04/24/06 06:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12281
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=12279

may 77 is fucking smoking. although i love pigpen, as well as early 70s dead, and brent's grooves chill my spine - 77 just blows my mind away


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5551967 - 04/24/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I've found those who disregard the music of the dead dont actually know much of their music or lyrics.




unfortunately I've heard waaaaayyy too much of their music, thanks to my loser friends. "Duuuuuuude maaaaaan, you GOTTA listen to this, it will CHANGE YOUR LIFE, dude..."

personally I've never seen what the big deal was about them. They don't stick out to me as a particularly good band, and in fact I could probably think of about 1,000 other bands I would rather spend my time listening to.

It seems to me that most GD fans like their music for sentimental reasons. At least, thats as much as I can discern. Its kind of hard for me to grok why anyone would be all about them... I mean, I don't think that they are a terrible band, I just don't see why their followers are so fanatical.

It really kind of creeps me out; hanging out with a bunch of deadheads is like hanging out with a bunch of christians, except instead of Jesus its Jerry...


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552005 - 04/24/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am no deadhead or hippie, really. I dont not like the music for sentimental reasons alone and to insist that is the case is just condescending. I simply love their sound and their lyrics.

Debating music itself is pointless - either you get it or you dont. Debating cultural revelency and impact as well as creativity is definitely worthwhile. And anyone who has paid attention and knows about the band and their history cannot dispute the power the dead have had in these realms.

And what followers of any band or cultural icon are not fanatical? Isnt fan derived from the word fanactical? I've met too many dorks that are obsessed with Tool and think that Maynard dork is a god.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5552018 - 04/24/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I dont like them either. Just not a fan of jam bands...


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: mr_kite]
    #5552030 - 04/24/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not too big into the jam band scene, either.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5552075 - 04/24/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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And what followers of any band or cultural icon are not fanatical? Isnt fan derived from the word fanactical? I've met too many dorks that are obsessed with Tool and think that Maynard dork is a god.




yeah, I think the people who worship 'reverend maynard' are equally as gay as the suckers of Jerry's cock. 

I guess at some point in my life I just stopped idolizing musicians to that extent.  I mean, they are just entertainers...  There are way more important people in the big scheme of things.  And music has never 'changed my life'...  I mean, its just entertainment. 

It gets my goat when dumb kids idolize musicians as if they were God and then ignore the people who have REALLY positively effected the course of human events...  people like scientists and leaders and pioneers.  I idolize the people that invented all the cool shit that makes life enjoyable a lot more than some idiot singing his opinion while plunking out a tune on a guitar...  I mean entertainers are a dime a dozen, but real heroes only come around once in awhile...

I guess it just pisses me off when people talk about jerry garcia like he invented the printing press or something...  It just goes to show how shallow people can be...  they put the most pointless shit on a pedastal and ignore what is really important...  all while claiming to 'keep it real' :rolleyes:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552093 - 04/24/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i don't see why an artist, or even more so, and entire movement of art and culture, can't have a major impact on society-as-a-whole. in the words of joseph campbell, himself a scientist of some reknown, "the Deadheads are doing the dance of life and this I would say, is the answer to the atom bomb."


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Krishna]
    #5552122 - 04/24/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I like probably a baker's dozen worth of the Dead's songs, the rest just don't please my ear. There's some some good material among all the other "crap"


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552127 - 04/24/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's all a matter of opinion J. You use words like "dumb kids" and those "people who talk about jerry garcia..." and go on to critize these people as being shallow. In the word's of Howard Stern

"Opinions are like ass-holes. Everyone's got one but they all stink."

Relax. It's just music.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552131 - 04/24/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i am interested in the bands you like, if you think the Dead aren't that talented. name some please.

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: mushiemountain]
    #5552154 - 04/24/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The light of what?

I've never been in the GD.  Too "peppy" for me.  I like my music dark, interesting and good.  :smirk:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5552173 - 04/24/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Different folks, different strokes.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Adden]
    #5552220 - 04/24/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i listened to the dead for a long time before i even started trippin...

i like the energy that comes with the music.. its just one of those things you have to be able to visualize.

take lazy lightning from dicks picks 3 for example. the song just keeps getting more and more intense. like the end of most songs, they get really bad ass, then end right when you were jammin it.. well, the dead took that, stopped time, and streched it out. create a series of peaks and valleys, each peak and valley slightly higher than the last...


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: mushiemountain]
    #5552240 - 04/24/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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i am interested in the bands you like, if you think the Dead aren't that talented. name some please.





well, lets see... I can name a few of my favorite musicians, or at least the ones who spring immediately to mind...

Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
Tool
Notorious BIG
The Doors
Dead Kennedys
Prodigy
Slayer
Astral Projection
and of course, Alice in Chains :smile:

basically, like that other guy said, I like stuff thats dark, complicated, and has substance.  If I wanted fluff I would turn on Radio Disney. 

anyway, thats just my opinion, I'm not trying to cram it down anyone's throat.  Its not like I post lyrics every day and talk about what I listen to incessantly.  I consider it my business and I feel no need to validate my fandom by converting others... unlike SOME people...  And I sure as hell keep my fandom in perspective...

Anyone who thinks that a musician had the same social impact as the printing press or the polio vaccine...  needs to get their priorities straight.  Entertainment is not as important as survival.  For someone to idolize entertainers over scientists...  well thats a lot like paying NFL players millions while public schoolteachers are starving...


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5552312 - 04/24/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The light of what?

I've never been in the GD.  Too "peppy" for me.  I like my music dark, interesting and good.  :smirk:




I think hunter's lyrics are dark and mind-bending. Music doesnt need to be hard or fast to be dark and twisted. Darkness can be subtle - I think it is quite successful.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5552324 - 04/24/06 07:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I meant the actual music.  Some of the lyrics are dark, yes, but the music isn't dark.  When someone says to me, hey man, I've been kinda bummed today, lets put in something dark and aggressive (like Alice In Chains, AMAZING band by the way :smile: ) GD is not going to come up.  That's all I meant.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5552338 - 04/24/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alice In Chains? When you said dark and good I thought you meant like Merzbow or Emperor or something. Alice in Chains are just a pop metal band. The Dead were far more radical, musically, conceptually and lyrically.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5552344 - 04/24/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I guess I dont dig on the testosterone aggressive metal-derived thing. I listened to AIC when I was in jr. high back in the mid-90s - I guess they were cool then when all I wanted was hard and crunchy with a dark-facade.


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    #5552349 - 04/24/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Alice In Chains? When you said dark and good I thought you meant like Merzbow or Emperor or something. Alice in Chains are just a pop metal band. The Dead were far more radical, musically, conceptually and lyrically.




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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5552357 - 04/24/06 08:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)


Goooooood!!!!!


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5552368 - 04/24/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Alice In Chains? When you said dark and good I thought you meant like Merzbow or Emperor or something. Alice in Chains are just a pop metal band. The Dead were far more radical, musically, conceptually and lyrically.




agree 100%




see, this is the kind of musical pissing contest I was hoping to avoid...

its all just a matter of personal preference.

the main reason I don't like deadheads is because they tend to be all in your face about it. Like they are evangelists for Jerry Garcia or something.... I mean, I've never spent a long period of time trying to convince someone to like a band... If someone doesn't like what I listen to then thats fine... We all have our own opinions, and I think thats great. I mean, its better than being a hivemind like the borg or something...

hippies tend to have way too many opinions in common if you ask me. It seems like they are all so afraid to go against their crowd. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the way it seems to me. Hippies are the borg, and they want to assimilate everything into one big gay-ass love in. Not me, I need my space, nigga. You can kill your egos all you want, I'm just fine with mine.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552401 - 04/24/06 08:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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well, lets see... I can name a few of my favorite musicians, or at least the ones who spring immediately to mind...

Nine Inch Nails
Soundgarden
Tool
Notorious BIG
The Doors
Dead Kennedys
Prodigy
Slayer
Astral Projection
and of course, Alice in Chains :smile:

basically, like that other guy said, I like stuff thats dark, complicated, and has substance.  If I wanted fluff I would turn on Radio Disney. 




Not to be a dick but only like 3 of those musicians are "dark".  NIN has sold out, Tool is semi-dark I suppose, and slayer still rocks out with there cocks out though.  Instead of dark you should have put punk.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5552421 - 04/24/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

wow, thanks for informing me.  I'll file that little bulletin away with all the other shit I could give a rat's ass about.  Your opinion is important to me, and your call will be answered in the order it was recieved.  Please continue to hold... 

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Adden]
    #5552426 - 04/24/06 08:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Check out these, if you listen to them, listen to the song in entirety before you make a decision whether you like it. I know I like it. Grateful Dead is like licorice some people can't stand it while others are in love with it. :smile:

http://www.knottyworld.com/8/SamsonandDelilah.mp3 (live 1977)
http://www.knottyworld.com/8/US_Blues.mp3
http://www.knottyworld.com/8/Althea.mp3
http://www.knottyworld.com/8/MorningDew.mp3
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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552432 - 04/24/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just fire up a j and listen to any live version of Jack Straw. If that doesn't sell you then fuck it, stick with that MTV bullshit (this isn't intended for the OP).

To the OP: Remember, despite all the live hoopla The Dead are actually masters in the studio. Their greatest achievements were in the studio not on stage, Terrapin, American Beauty, Workingman's Dead.

There's a lot of great melodies and harmonies in there man. Open yourself up to it!


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    #5552469 - 04/24/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Please you are so full of yourself.  The only reason you dislike them is because people think they are amazing, so you try and seperate yourself, for some social reason.  :whatever:
The fact is, is that every member of the band were really good at their instruments, if you dont like their music, hooray, but can you really call them sloppy?  Do you even play an instrument?  Are you aware of what jazz is?


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5552490 - 04/24/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

while everybody touts american beauty and workingmans dead as the best dead ever (and certainly, in terms of studio production and reaching that 'roots' feeling, they were), i'd say blues for allah is much more true to their sound than any other studio album they made. and even then, why not listen to a dick's picks, or stream a show off of archive.org?


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: TheCow]
    #5552534 - 04/24/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The only reason you dislike them is because people think they are amazing, so you try and seperate yourself, for some social reason.




no, the reason I dislike them is because their sound doesn't appeal to me.  The reason I dislike their fans is because they are unwilling to accept the fact that I just don't enjoy the music.  Its not that I haven't tried.  Like someone else already said, different strokes for different folks.  You can say you hate my favorite band, and its not going to bother me in the slightest, because other people's opinions just really don't mean that much to me.  On the other hand, if I say I hate the Greatful Dead, every 'head in the tri-state area comes crawling out of the woodwork trying to convince me otherwise. 

I don't like the greatful dead.  get over it :tongue:  Believe me, I don't lose any sleep at night because you like them and I don't.  And I wouldn't lose any sleep if you told me you hated my favorite band. 

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Do you even play an instrument? Are you aware of what jazz is?




yeah, I've been playing guitar for about 8 years.  I'm no Satriani, but I think I can tell when something is off rythm or out of tune.  And I can also tell when something is technically fine but just lacks any real substance...


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Krishna]
    #5552538 - 04/24/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The last thread like this got deleted becuase for "flaming" Jerry Garcia.

Like shroomerites don't flame celebs and dead people all day long. :rolleyes:


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    #5552603 - 04/24/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I heart  :gd_icon:.

They were IMHO the greatest band that could ever exist.  But everyone is entitled to their opinion.  You anti-deadheads should try listening to some of Jerrys stuff he did without the GD.  Download some tunes him and David Grismond did together and tell me what you think  :grin:


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    #5552613 - 04/24/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think I've ever heard 1 of their songs. I have no opinion here. I'm glad all of you enjoy them so much. Rock on. :smile:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: theuser]
    #5552669 - 04/24/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

To be perfectly honest I don't like 'em either. People that I know who are amazing musicians say that the Dead are insanely talented musicians. I'll take their word for it.

I respect them for what they've accomplished.

Me, I'm more into Bjork, Radiohead, Squarepusher, BDP, MSI. I could go on forever but I doubt anyone is interested in what music I like. =)

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: TheCow]
    #5552691 - 04/24/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Grateful Dead started in 1965 and stopped touring (as "The Dead" that is) in 2004. Second longest running touring band of all time. (the stones are first)

Though their music is over half a century old and their leading member has been dead for over a decade yet, the music is still as alive as ever. More and more (young) people are getting turned on to the dead, even though most of them have never even gotten the chance to see them. In every new generation, there is a new generation of dead heads. Every person i know, who really gets the dead's music is a better person for it.

You can say that the dead are a mix of bluegrass, rock, folk, jazz, pop, ect but, in the end they are greater than the sum of their parts.

Its really kinda pointless to try and explain the dead to people who dont "get it."

As evan has said many times in private conversation, "the grateful dead's music just tickles my soul" I totally agree.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552777 - 04/24/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ive been playing classical guitar for about 5 years, so I also have an appreciation for good guitar playing. I personally dont like Satriani, his guitar playing is great technically as you say, but has no emotion. Literally none. Garcia, is a very good guitar player, maybe not Satriani in terms of tricks, but certainly decent. The part that seperates him is the emotion. His solo's are very good, very jazzy, not metalish with no depth to them. Hes not up there masturbating all over his guitar.
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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552801 - 04/24/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i'm a big fan of the grateful dead, but there's more to it than the acid and the whole "scene", which is often cultish and creepy. i do agree that their popularity rose in sync with the whole counter culture, and if those two things had not coincided, they would not have the iconic status that they have.
i listen to the dead for many reasons, one being that i can hear their influences such as doc watson and john coltrane in their music. i'm really into jazz, and i enjoy listening to improvisation. they are definitely not perfect musicians..it's often sloppy and out of tune, no argument there. i have no problem saying "jesus man, change the song that sounds like crap"...but i know that there are some real gems in there, and being a musician i know what it feels like to connect with the people you play with, and whenthe grateful dead really groove, man there's no stopping it.
as a drummer, i really respect mickey and bill, they are always solid, even when the other guys were too fucked up to play well.
above all, i feel good when i listen to the grateful dead :shrug:
i have criticisms of their music and some of their extreme fans just as you do, but the whole bantering back and forth about whether or not they are a waste of time to listen to is ridiculous. different music affects people different ways, and i think there's something to learn any time music is created. whether you personally enjoy it or not is your own personal preference.
oh, and all the tool haters can suck it as well :crankey: hehe..danny carey is one hell of a drummer.
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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: TheCow]
    #5552857 - 04/24/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dude, I'm going to leave this discussion because I'm tired of it. I just have one final thing to say:

Its ironic that in a thread entitled 'I can't stand the Greatful Dead', the majority of posters are Deadheads trying to convince a small minority that they are wrong in their decision not to like GD. You guys are like freakin evangelists. You just really can't stand the idea that someone out there disagrees with your taste in music. Maybe you should worry more about controlling your own mind instead of trying to influence the minds of others.

You should sit down and think about why other people's opinions are so important to you. Why do you seek the validation of others' approval?

It does you no harm for me to say I hate the greatful dead. It neither picks your pocket nor breaks your leg. So get over it. Hippies are all about acceptance right? well accept this:

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552945 - 04/24/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

no one really cares that much bro
i sure as hell dont
im the only deadhea din my circle of freinds :smile:
bladee bla bla :smile: :gd_icon:
no drama is needed. you can hate the dead for all i care
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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552967 - 04/24/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is called a discussion forum for a reason. someone posts a topic or rant or opinion and others respond.

it's not a matter of evangelizing, it's a matter of calling out the bullshit criticism people have put forth in course of discussion.

I am sure if I started a thread about how alice in chains was a trendy, talentless MTV-culture pop band with a boring metal facade and whose bulk audience consists of angst-ridden 8th graders, you'd try to convince me otherwise, right?


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: notapillow]
    #5552971 - 04/24/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Eh.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: notapillow]
    #5552972 - 04/24/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

right on :thumbup:

I don't hate all deadheads.  just the ones who can't accept the fact that in the privacy of my own home, I'd prefer to listen to something else.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: Vvellum]
    #5552986 - 04/24/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I am sure if I started a thread about how lame alice in chains were, you'd try to convince me otherwise.




try it and see. 

or you could start a thread called 'I love the Greatful Dead'

haven't seen one of those in awhile :smile:

then all you deadheads could get together in your thread and pat eachother on the back for listening to such groovy tunes.  I promise I will stay out of it :smile:


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5552987 - 04/24/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

dude, take a deep breath and relax. We are not trying to convince you of anything.

we, like yourself, are mearly expressing our opinions. You keep comparing us to evangelicals and zelots but, Its not like we're saying if you dont like the grateful dead your going to hell. You keep saying that we can't stand if other people disagree with our taste in music, and yet your the one who's getting most worked up over other people's prefernces. Show me one post where someone said, "your wrong in your decision no to like GD." No one is seeking "validation of others' approval." Your just pulling shit out of your ass.

I could give two shits about whether or not you like the dead.

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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5553095 - 04/24/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

the dead rock, sober or on acid. i never even got to see em live and i love em. i was already a big fan before i even heard em tripping. the dead are EXTREMELY talented musicians. probably phil lesh and garcia being the most talented. garcia is one of the top 10 all time guitarists and id say lesh is one of the top bass players of all time. they were the first group in rock history to incoporate the free form jazz jamming style of coltrane (and others) into rock n roll. anyone who doesnt see at least that musically the dead had an amazing ability doesnt know music. for instance im not a huge rap fan but i can tell the difference between good and bad rap. who is talented and who isnt.

also pretyy much every muscic publication who makes a list of the top 10, 50 ,100, 20 bands of all time includes the dead. music people agree

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    #5553149 - 04/24/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Fuck the Grateful Dead, they're not even a real band.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5553194 - 04/24/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Alice In Chains? When you said dark and good I thought you meant like Merzbow or Emperor or something. Alice in Chains are just a pop metal band. The Dead were far more radical, musically, conceptually and lyrically.




agree 100%




see, this is the kind of musical pissing contest I was hoping to avoid...

its all just a matter of personal preference.

the main reason I don't like deadheads is because they tend to be all in your face about it. Like they are evangelists for Jerry Garcia or something.... I mean, I've never spent a long period of time trying to convince someone to like a band... If someone doesn't like what I listen to then thats fine... We all have our own opinions, and I think thats great. I mean, its better than being a hivemind like the borg or something...

hippies tend to have way too many opinions in common if you ask me. It seems like they are all so afraid to go against their crowd. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats the way it seems to me. Hippies are the borg, and they want to assimilate everything into one big gay-ass love in. Not me, I need my space, nigga. You can kill your egos all you want, I'm just fine with mine.




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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5553665 - 04/25/06 01:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Man you are so punk rock.


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And music has never 'changed my life'...  I mean, its just entertainment. 

It gets my goat when dumb kids idolize musicians as if they were God and then ignore the people who have REALLY positively effected the course of human events...  people like scientists and leaders and pioneers.  I idolize the people that invented all the cool shit that makes life enjoyable a lot more than some idiot singing his opinion while plunking out a tune on a guitar...  I mean entertainers are a dime a dozen, but real heroes only come around once in awhile...

I guess it just pisses me off when people talk about jerry garcia like he invented the printing press or something...  It just goes to show how shallow people can be...  they put the most pointless shit on a pedastal and ignore what is really important...  all while claiming to 'keep it real' :rolleyes:




Actually, music can change your life.  If it's not a big part of your life, then sorry.  I guess you're into something else.  But my life revolves around it.  One who says no to music says no to life.  As for scientists, leaders, and pioneers, if I had to kill a hundred scientists, or a thousand George Bushes, or a million Hernando Cortezes to save my record collection, I would do it.


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5553952 - 04/25/06 03:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I listen to GD and I don't like them.

It's weird.

I find the music "sloppy", as someone mentioned earlier, yet I appreciate jazz and improvisation so I can dig it.

I find the lyrics cheezy and shallow, but it's nice poppy "everything is ok" feel good stuff for me.

I agree with DoctorJ on the deadhead thing. On this board especially, there are some rabid fans who will attack your person for not liking "the best band there could ever be".


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Re: I can't stand The Grateful Dead [Re: quillini]
    #5554051 - 04/25/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The Dead wrote a lot of good songs - they also wrote a lot of dreck.

Some live stuff is phenomenal - some sounds embarassingly out of tune and awful.

American Beauty, Blues for Allah and Europe 72 are three of the best albums I own.

I also think that after Allah they severely dropped in quality.

The Dead are whatever you want them to be. As with anything.

I can't really see any point to this thread at all, it'd be like someone posting saying "I can't stand Chocolate Chip ice cream".

It's all a question of personal taste - why not rave about a band you really like?


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