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Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI
    #5550850 - 04/24/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am coming close to my first harvest with two 18 gallon tubs pinning like mad. I plan to try Shroomausca when I harvest but am having issues deciding upon an MAOI.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5551059 - 04/24/06 01:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

syrian rue is always the best choice imo


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: giz]
    #5551315 - 04/24/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

personally i'd go with banisteriopsis caapi, but its personal i guess, and i cant really tell you why i would or wouldnt use a specific one. just dont go for something weak like st johns wort or yohimbe or whatever


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: Aloysius]
    #5551564 - 04/24/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can also try moclobemide (aurorix) sold freely in drugstores. 300mg 1 hour before shrooming. That'll be pharmashroomahuaska. Enhances the trip roughly 2x, also you don't need to worry too much about a diet.
Syrian rue though, apart from increasing the potency, gives some touch to a shroom trip IMO. I did not notice it in the case of moclobemide - it's just simple 2-times potentiation.
The rue makes my trips quite different in their mood, not worse or better, just kind of more solemn and primeaval. There is some nausea though, but vomiting helps it and reminds of la purga. Actually, this vomiting is quite cool.
Never tried it with caapi but I have some brew ready in my fridge and I'll probably give it a try in a fortnight or so. Will report.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: shneck]
    #5552174 - 04/24/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

well cappi and rue are the exact same alcoloids. the diffrence is rue has more harmaline then harmala and cappi is the other way around. harmaline is more powerfull then harmala alkaloid. plus its easier and cleaner to extract pure alkaloids from the rue then it is from cappi and has a 2ndardy benefit of being cheeper by weight and yeilds higher.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5552543 - 04/24/06 08:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds good, think I will go with my first instinct and get some Rue.

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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5553369 - 04/24/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i have 2 grams of syrian rue seeds and a gram of mush. i think i might try this too, but i don't think 2g of rue is enough.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: mushiemountain]
    #5553514 - 04/25/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It takes 2.5 grams of rue to achieve full mao-inhibition. Im assuming that is an average considering the slightly varying levels of maois in different seeds.
At 3 grams many people start to feel the hallucinogenic effects of the rue by its self.

2 grams should do something very obvious to your trip, if not it will do exactly what you hoped it would do.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: shneck]
    #5554032 - 04/25/06 05:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

you state that moclobemide is sold freely in drug stores, spacificly what drugs stores have you purchased this drug the two i checked said they never heard of it. and are you sure that its otc and not Rx?


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: stemmer]
    #5554155 - 04/25/06 06:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It takes 2.5 grams of rue to achieve full mao-inhibition. Im assuming that is an average considering the slightly varying levels of maois in different seeds.
At 3 grams many people start to feel the hallucinogenic effects of the rue by its self.

2 grams should do something very obvious to your trip, if not it will do exactly what you hoped it would do.




well, i just want to add that 2.5-3 grams is an avarage not a minimm. people need diffrent amounts , i for one seems to need little beta carbolines to achive full mao inhabitaion, i usually use around 1.5-2 grams. some need more some need less.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: giz]
    #5554357 - 04/25/06 09:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have found it in two different countries in drugstores around a corner. In one country it was sold as Moclobemide, in another - under the name Aurorix.
It's not Rx, they sell it without any prescription. Try asking for Aurorix?
A pack of 32(24? - will check later when I get back home) 300mg pills costs around 22 euro.
They also can be 150mg (11 or 12 euro).
I prefer 300mg since it's exactly the average dose which stalls around 80-90% of MAO for 2-2,5 hours. It's a reversible A MAOI, google moclobemide or aurorix to read more about it.

Still, I do prefer rue over pills. Like I said, I feel DEFINITE rue presence, a really profound one, while with moclobemide it's plain potentiation.

On the other hand, when rueing I keep a strict ~18hrs-pre - 12hrs-post diet. Recently I've read that food restrictions are somewhat exaggerated in case of rue (or caapi), still, I got used to it and just choose to be on the safe side. Good for the trip as well.

No diet for moclobemide (okay, I still do not risk old cheeze, sauerkraut and other stuff with high tyramine content).

That's it.

P.S. Aurorix goes fine with lemon juice method. You get around 4x potentiation. When I combined aurorix, lemon juice and fresh black currant juice I had the most profound trip I ever had in my life, with total ego annihilation/devastation/disintegration, a long stay in the Dungeons of Madness, some minor damage to my body and substantial damage to my furniture. My neighbours also had a bad trip of their own because of me (much noise in the middle of the night).
All out of around .7g dry cubes. Was getting out of it for about a month and still shudder when I recall it.
So, tread bravely but carefully.

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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: giz]
    #5555663 - 04/25/06 05:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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It takes 2.5 grams of rue to achieve full mao-inhibition. Im assuming that is an average considering the slightly varying levels of maois in different seeds.
At 3 grams many people start to feel the hallucinogenic effects of the rue by its self.

2 grams should do something very obvious to your trip, if not it will do exactly what you hoped it would do.




well, i just want to add that 2.5-3 grams is an avarage not a minimm. people need diffrent amounts , i for one seems to need little beta carbolines to achive full mao inhabitaion, i usually use around 1.5-2 grams. some need more some need less.




I was just wanting to add that I agree. For ayahuasca, you need atleast 2.5 grams to achieve full mao-inhibition. Anything more, lots of people on average start to feel the effects of the maois by themselves.(traditional ayahuasca preparations require atleast 4 grams of rue, thats at the very least when used for any sort of healing)
If you eat 4-6 grams of rue with your shrooms you are getting into some pretty weird shit, very different than shrooms alone. At that rue dose, It will be different than shrooms themselves experientially, no matter how much shrooms you eat.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: stemmer]
    #5555723 - 04/25/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am going to go with Rue, may try the 10x extract from Iamshaman and take 4/10s of a gram of it. If not Ill just do the rue normally and see how it comes out.

This is not to potentiate a "trip" this is to facilitate a deep spiritual self exploration journey.

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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5555742 - 04/25/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats cool.... I would either take more shrooms to potentiate a trip, or I would go far beyond that, because once you get into the higher than 2 grams dose of rue with shrooms, It is not just simple potentiation.

You have the right mind set, thats for sure.....


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: stemmer]
    #5555764 - 04/25/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have long since outgrown the "party tripper" phase of my growth.

I don't know if this makes sense to all but to some it might. "I don't trip to have fun, but I do have fun while I trip"

Darken
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PS- That line is not mine I read it on the Shroomery at one point and felt the echo of the statement in my soul.


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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: shneck]
    #5555844 - 04/25/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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When I combined aurorix, lemon juice and fresh black currant juice I had the most profound trip I ever had in my life, with total ego annihilation/devastation/disintegration, a long stay in the Dungeons of Madness, some minor damage to my body and substantial damage to my furniture. My neighbours also had a bad trip of their own because of me (much noise in the middle of the night).
All out of around .7g dry cubes.





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Re: Preparing to do Shroomausca need advice on an MAOI [Re: Noviseer]
    #5555914 - 04/25/06 06:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My favorite is two take maybe 2 5-HTP, either one a day before and one the day of the trip.

Haven't tried more in worry of Serotonin syndrome but I`m sure 2 more could even be fine.


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