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shroomballa
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Why incubate in the dark?
#5550655 - 04/24/06 10:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is there a reason to incubate in the dark? I've heard people say "You'll get contams easier/faster," but wouldn't PCing the jar take care of that? Also I have read that it could innitials pinning, inside the jar, but isnt FAE really needed to start this (on a large scale at least)? Can I incubate in the light?
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SheepworkS
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Re: Why incubate in the dark? [Re: shroomballa]
#5550668 - 04/24/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i incubated half in the dark and last half in the light, hopeing to cut down the transition time between colonization and when i birthed them to the start of fruiting... since the mushroom is phototropic and needs light to initiate a hormone used for fruiting, i figured id be one up on the game. but they really didnt fruit quicker than any of the other that got cold shocked and dunked before birthing.
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creamcorn
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Re: Why incubate in the dark? [Re: shroomballa]
#5550670 - 04/24/06 10:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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has nothing to do with contams and everything to do with pinning. you're correct about FAE, but even without it jars will sometimes pin... remember there's several pinning triggers, and keeping it dark then switching to light is best for maximum pinset, however you can probably get away with incubating in light if you really must, you just "lose" the usefullness of that trigger...
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Re: Why incubate in the dark? [Re: creamcorn]
#5550802 - 04/24/06 11:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe there is absolutely no reason to incubate jars in total darkness. My colonizing jars are ALWAYS exposed to normal room lighting from the day of inoculation. Perhaps one jar out of a hundred will make an early pin or two, but I simply spawn those pins right into bulk substrate along with the grains with zero ill effects. (in other words, small pins don't contaminate when spawned to bulk along with the grains)
Twenty years ago, Stamets wrote in TMC to "incubate in total darkness" and people stick to that as if they were the words of god. However, stamets no longer teaches incubation in darkness, and I agree. If you visit fungi perfecti, you'll see 10,000 square feet of incubation area, with 8' fluorescent tubes lighting the entire area for ten to twelve hours per day.
When you increase air exchange by removing from jars and placing into fruiting conditions, your substrate will begin the pinning process whether or not you have incubated in total darkness or not. RR
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Re: Why incubate in the dark? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5550842 - 04/24/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Same Here.
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Re: Why incubate in the dark? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5550876 - 04/24/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Of course myc will grow in the presents of light. IME myc grows faster in the absence of light also in nature myc colonizing substrate is most always not exposed to light so when we do not know for sure we will try to mimic nature which IMHO is the intelligent thing to do. Now I know it most definitely has an influence on pinning like being inside school all day then going out side in the bright sun it triggers a response. It is the COINCIDENCE of the pinning triggers that we are after not any one trigger by itself, as we all know by now fruits will form in the absence of light, FAE's as well temp as long as they fall somewhere in an acceptable range for fruiting. The farther away from optimum the less the yield always and is something we can count on as mycologists. Bottom line is yield that is all. Paul is a pioneer and is always learning as are we and things (ideas) will change again as we begin to really understand better what nature has given us.
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