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American fuckuEnomicks
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is the greediest fucking nation in the world, i havent put all the peices together yet but here are some.
- products and services controlled by large corporations - prices set across the board to keep profits up for all of em - prices artificially inflated to keep the population in a work/buy paycheck to paycheck cycle. - tax levels, i made 4500 last year and i was Over the lowest tax bracket. hmmmm. - america's mission statement. " to make the rich richer and the poor poorer"
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550213 - 04/24/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK OK so not everything is perfect; but can you name someplace or another economic system that is better ?
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: gregorio]
#5550255 - 04/24/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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call me a commie all u want. China.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550480 - 04/24/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you know what happens to people who bitch about "the system" in China?
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5550482 - 04/24/06 09:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill bite,
What happens?
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5550484 - 04/24/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sure do. and i can solve thier problem. heres the solution. dont bitch.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550494 - 04/24/06 09:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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- products and services controlled by large corporations - prices set across the board to keep profits up for all of em - prices artificially inflated to keep the population in a work/buy paycheck to paycheck cycle.
I agree, its bullshit.
but if you think you can provide goods and services to the people of this country at lower prices, then why don't you start a business that does exactly that? If you can undercut the competition, then you will get all of their business. This ain't OLPEC, dude.
And I know, right now you're thinking "Where the fuck do I get the capital to start a business and how do I compete with the high volume of big corporations?"
And my answer to you is: "Start small, and build it up."
So there, I've just given you all the info you need to start solving these problems with your own two hands. If you really want to change the world, the best way to do it is to start your own business. Start now and in 20 years it will be you and your buddies who set the prices.
blam.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
#5550514 - 04/24/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fuck that , i could no doubt, too much work though. i got something better. its always liquid and theres no products involved, i work for myself and dont need to deal with any people. im not tryin to change the world, fuck the world. i just call it like it see it.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550521 - 04/24/06 09:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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if you're not willing to pitch in an effort to solve the problem, then you shouldn't be bitching about it.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
#5550534 - 04/24/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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whos fuckin bitching ? I DONT GIVE A FUCK I DONT LIVE IN AMERICA ANYMORE ITS YOUR PROBLEM NOW NOT MINE. im just trying to help yall out by letting u know whats goin on.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550550 - 04/24/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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your input is very important to us. please continue to hold. your call will be answered in the order it was recieved...
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550562 - 04/24/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yah thats what i thought ill hold forever cuz i got that bitch on speakerphone and i enjoy elevator music
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550572 - 04/24/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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- products and services controlled by large corporations
there is no such control. you have the ability to start your own business and provide your own products and services at any time.
- prices set across the board to keep profits up for all of em
collusion and cartels are illegal in the US.
- prices artificially inflated to keep the population in a work/buy paycheck to paycheck cycle.
more like an overzealous consumer market who spends themselves into debt, but that's a personal choice and not everyone is forced to work.
this is one of the few countries in the world where an enterprising person can make enough money to never work again.
- tax levels, i made 4500 last year and i was Over the lowest tax bracket. hmmmm.
you also enjoy indoor plumbing and sewer systems, drive on well maintained roads, bridges and tunnels. firefighters will put out fires in your home, your children have free education, the government provides you a (meager) retirement plan...4500 a year for all the services and amenities you enjoy doesn't seem to be too tall an order....in other countries, that number would be tripled or quadrupled.
- america's mission statement. " to make the rich richer and the poor poorer"
I'm pretty sure that's not america's mission statement.
pull your head out of your ass.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: afoaf]
#5550579 - 04/24/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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your blinded by the light its ok, leave your bubble and gain some perspective.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550595 - 04/24/06 09:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
fresh313 said: your blinded by the light its ok, leave your bubble and gain some perspective.
take your own advice pls, kthnxbye
don't make me post the lyrics to 'Holiday in Cambodia' AGAIN.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
#5550600 - 04/24/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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post em up.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550602 - 04/24/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not posting anymore in this thread. If you want to read a good piece of poetry, look up 'Holiday in Cambodia' by the Dead Kennedys
if you had initiative, you'd google it, but you'll probably just whine about not having it done for you instead.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
#5550608 - 04/24/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ive got the inititiave to put on some gloves and invite you into the ring.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550633 - 04/24/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So you been to school For a year or two [ 3 ] And you know you?ve seen it all In daddy?s car [ 92 bonneville , my car ] Thinkin? you?ll go far Back east your type don?t crawl [ im from detroit ]
Play ethnicky jazz To parade your snazz On your five grand stereo [ my stereo got stolen so i sang ] Braggin? that you know How the niggers feel cold [ im from detroit again ] And the slums got so much soul [ detroit got lots of soul ]
It?s time to taste what you most fear Right guard will not help you here [ i use old spice ] Brace yourself, my dear??
It?s a holiday in cambodia It?s tough, kid, but it?s life It?s a holiday in cambodia Don?t forget to pack a wife
You?re a star-belly sneech [ dr. suess , good story ] You suck like a leach You want everyone to act like you [ fuck everyone ] Kiss ass while you bitch [ whos bitching ] So you can get rich [ get rich ? im fuckin robinhood ] But your boss gets richer off you [ exactly ]
Well you?ll work harder With a gun in your back For a bowl of rice a day Slave for soldiers Till you starve Then your head is skewered on a stake [ better than working for rich fucks ] Now you can go where people are one Now you can go where they get things done What you need, my son??. [ already there, not cambodia, but close,and they know how to get shit done here, its quite a relief there are actually effiecient people in the world ] Is a holiday in cambodia Where people dress in black A holiday in cambodia Where you?ll kiss ass or crack [ kiss ass in america , not cambodia ] Pol pot, pol pot, pol pot, pol pot, etc??.
And it?s a holiday in cambodia Where you?ll do what you?re told [ thats america ] A holiday in cambodia Where the slums got so much soul [ got more soul in detroit ]
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550647 - 04/24/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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thats a good song.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5550689 - 04/24/06 10:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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freshman313 stated:
fuck that , i could no doubt, too much work though
Nothing in life worth while comes without hard work. As a small business owner, I see the "corporations"" and their dark shadow, however, there are several socio economic programs through the federal government which forces these same corporations, to do business with companies like mine. If you are not willing to put in hard work and personal sacrifice, you will not make money.......bottom line.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5550693 - 04/24/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i already did my time, and put in my hard work. your are right, no pain no gain. like i said i found something better to put my time into to make a living. please try and not qoute out of context. and i pass my hard won knowledge on to others on the board for free, hence robinhood. please check my thread titled Currency Trading in OTD.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550698 - 04/24/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You should totaly go live in China and be a slave to the Chinese government.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5550701 - 04/24/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i already do. thanks. its a great place to live.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550853 - 04/24/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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My family came to America with nothing: Now I go to a university for free, drive an infinity, had 2 lincolns in the past, mommy has a benz, daddy has a big truck. We live in a nice house in a nice neighborhood. I went to a private college prep school.
Yep, the poor sure do get poorer.... I guess my life is an illusion, oh damn.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: downforpot]
#5550861 - 04/24/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sounds like they sold out to me
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5550931 - 04/24/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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EquilibriuM said: sounds like they sold out to me
they didn't sell out, they bought in
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5550991 - 04/24/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: call me a commie all u want. China.
But the Chinese can't post on the Shroomery. 
Damn Commie
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: downforpot]
#5550996 - 04/24/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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downforpot, Macro Not Micro.
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thankyou eleusis, its nice to see a coworker in here.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
#5551079 - 04/24/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
DoctorJ said:
Quote:
EquilibriuM said: sounds like they sold out to me
they didn't sell out, they bought in
Cant really buy in if you don't have money
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5551140 - 04/24/06 01:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
fresh313 said: - prices artificially inflated to keep the population in a work/buy paycheck to paycheck cycle.
Show me proof that corporations and businesses in general are colluding to artificially inflate prices in order to "keep the working man down".
Quote:
fresh313 said: - tax levels, i made 4500 last year and i was Over the lowest tax bracket. hmmmm.
...and your point is?
Quote:
fresh313 said: - america's mission statement. " to make the rich richer and the poor poorer"
Everybody has gotten richer in America; including the poor.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5551152 - 04/24/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: your blinded by the light its ok, leave your bubble and gain some perspective.

Afoaf was dead on with his observation. If you were living in America and you only earned $4,500 you would get WAY more out of the system than you paid in. You probably paid no federal tax and you paid very little state and local tax. Yet you have the protection of police, fire fighters, and a military. You receive free public education up until grade 12. If you made that little you would be eligible for extensive grants (i.e. free money) if you decided to go to college or a trade school. And you would probably be eligible for food stamps, subsidized rent, and Medicaid.
So, the government spent a lot more money on you than you gave them. Anybody only earning $4,500 in America gets a bunch of free shit basically. Stop complaining.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5551157 - 04/24/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: i already did my time, and put in my hard work.
If you earned only $4,500 last year (even at minimum wage) that means you worked part-time. That doesn't sound too hard to me.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5551190 - 04/24/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm assuming that we are gonna go start a socio-economic revolution after we smoke this bowl...right? -Diagi
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5551322 - 04/24/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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You can't get food stamps or welfare if you are already getting financial aid for school.
I already looked into that.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5551346 - 04/24/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's stupid shit like this that prevents me for going too far to the left.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
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What sux about America is not the economy in the form of paychecks or prices or taxes, not at all. I see those things as being as good as humanly possible (always room for improvement of course!)
The real problem in the USA is that the economy/money control the POLITICS. Large companies are allowed to "buy" politicians through campaign contributions.
In the USA large companies do have too much control. At least this is a country where you have the ability to get rich if you work hard enough though.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: loochypooch]
#5551509 - 04/24/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do they buy the politicians, or do they merely fund candidates that have the same ideals and goals as those corporations? Just something to think about....
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Redstorm]
#5551620 - 04/24/06 04:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Greed is good. It provides incentive to work and produce.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: Do they buy the politicians, or do they merely fund candidates that have the same ideals and goals as those corporations? Just something to think about....
Is there any meaningful difference, as far as the electorate is concerned?
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5551750 - 04/24/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: You can't get food stamps or welfare if you are already getting financial aid for school.
I already looked into that.
Interesting. I did not know that.
I still stand by my assertion that most people earning $4,500 a year get more from the government than they give.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
Quote:
Redstorm said: Do they buy the politicians, or do they merely fund candidates that have the same ideals and goals as those corporations? Just something to think about....
Is there any meaningful difference, as far as the electorate is concerned?
Not really in my opinion.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
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That's my take on the matter as well.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
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They almost always contribute to both sides so it is no doubt an attempt at ingratiation. Mostly that just means they get heard. Which they'd probably get anyway since they are such a big part of the economy. You don't ever see Coca Cola pulling a George Soros and sending millions of soft dollars to fund an anti-anything campaign.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5551843 - 04/24/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: is the greediest fucking nation in the world, i havent put all the peices together yet but here are some.
Dude, what happens when you put the pieces together?????????????????
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: zappaisgod]
#5551853 - 04/24/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They almost always contribute to both sides so it is no doubt an attempt at ingratiation. Mostly that just means they get heard. Which they'd probably get anyway since they are such a big part of the economy. You don't ever see Coca Cola pulling a George Soros and sending millions of soft dollars to fund an anti-anything campaign.
Corporations fund both parties to make sure both of them will do what's in their best interest. Now, often their best interest coincides with society's self-interest, but there are several times when this is not the case, and we all suffer for it.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
#5551873 - 04/24/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: They almost always contribute to both sides so it is no doubt an attempt at ingratiation. Mostly that just means they get heard. Which they'd probably get anyway since they are such a big part of the economy. You don't ever see Coca Cola pulling a George Soros and sending millions of soft dollars to fund an anti-anything campaign.
Corporations fund both parties to make sure both of them will do what's in their best interest.
I disagree. I think that they get very little for their money. Surety is definitely not what they get. They get an audience, maybe sympathetic.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
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Redstorm said: Do they buy the politicians, or do they merely fund candidates that have the same ideals and goals as those corporations? Just something to think about....
Is there any meaningful difference, as far as the electorate is concerned?
There is a difference, but not in the result. In my opinion, accepting money from someone who's ideals match yours is honest, while accepting enough money to change your ideals to their's is not.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Luddite]
#5551972 - 04/24/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Luddite said: Greed is good. It provides incentive to work and produce.
Greed is not good but a capitalistic society pushes people to compete against everybody else.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: downforpot]
#5552012 - 04/24/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Society doesn't DO anything. People DO things. Society is a construct. An abstract. It cannot act. It can only be talked about. In generalities.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: zappaisgod]
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A group of humans broadly distinguished from other groups by mutual interests, participation in characteristic relationships, shared institutions, and a common culture.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5552363 - 04/24/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know that my business opportunities are unique here in the United States, compared to other nations throughout the world.......
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5553017 - 04/24/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lol, anyways this thread is 2 funny, i cant even reply to all the nonsense qoutes out of context, assumptions about me, my life, my job, my character, and requests for proof. if u want proof look around u, i cant show you want u dont want to see. i never said america was bad, just greedy[ier], yall go off on some crazy fuckin tangents. if u want to actually research those points, provide some examples like my man Elusius be my guest, otherwise, dont, i give about 1 and a half flying fucks what u think of me, and my post, and my opinions. so trying to argue with someone who doesnt give a fuck wont really get u jack anywhere.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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ok, i do give a fuck. but its not about 90% of any of you. its about that single black mother who has 3 kids to supports, takes the greyhound 45 minutes to work to goto the rich white mall a city over where she could never even shop, to support her kids, while shes at work therye being raised by the public school system.
its about that guy who just got laid off after working 15years honestly and loyally and feels worthless cuz they packed up the factory and moved it overseas where its cheaper. Why do u think they can get away with paying people less to do the same job somewhere else. becuase living expenses are the right prices and not overinflated with bullshit.
thats what its about, and thats what its for, so dont turn that shit on you or me. cuz its not about us.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553272 - 04/24/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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so where do you live now?
PS: thanks for letting us know what's up
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Gijith]
#5553367 - 04/24/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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its not about me, if u wanna talk to me, personal message me.
so whats my plan, my plan is to get rich as fuck [ look up george soros ] the same way the flithy rich white people do it but instead of horde my shit and be all greedy as fuck ill get rich for those people, then when im rich as fuck ill actually be able to do something. until then, keep fighting the good fight brothers and sisters.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553706 - 04/25/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: i cant even reply to all the nonsense qoutes out of context, assumptions about me, my life, my job, my character, and requests for proof. if u want proof look around u, i cant show you want u dont want to see.
If u want to actually research those points, provide some examples like my man Elusius be my guest
That is not how a standard debate works. When you make claims you need to back up what you are saying with proof if a person asks for it. If you don't back up your claims then your veracity and your stances will be called into question.
All I have seen from you so far is hyperbole that is backed up by no facts.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553719 - 04/25/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: its about that single black mother who has 3 kids to supports, takes the greyhound 45 minutes to work to goto the rich white mall a city over where she could never even shop, to support her kids, while shes at work therye being raised by the public school system.
I was educated in the public school system. Poor me!!
Also, maybe Shaneekwa should have gotten an education or a skill of some kind and maybe she shouldn't have had a bunch of kids that she could not afford to support.
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fresh313 said: its about that guy who just got laid off after working 15years honestly and loyally and feels worthless cuz they packed up the factory and moved it overseas where its cheaper.
Life sucks and it isn't fair sometimes.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5553727 - 04/25/06 01:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont need to if i dont give a fuck if you believe me or not, See?
u want proof , find your own proof.
its not about making life perfect dog, its about making it better, so be apathetic all u want.
your retarded 2 by the way how that for debate skillz.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553751 - 04/25/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: u want proof , find your own proof.
its not about making life perfect dog, its about making it better, so be apathetic all u want.
Just what I thought. You make assertions and you provide no proof for these assertions. When asked to provide proof you say, "I don't have to". This makes me doubt your knowledge, objectivity, and veracity.
Your debating tactics and abilities could use a definite upgrade.
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fresh313 said: your retarded 2 by the way how that for debate skillz.
Considering how bad your grammar is I would reconsider making that insult toward other people. People in glass houses.....
Also, flames are not allowed in the political forum.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5553762 - 04/25/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok , correction, your not retarded, the version of your mind needs an upgrade, alot of metaprogramming, probably some new firmware, new cmos, and bios battery 2. 
Oh ShIT not mY GrAmmEr , Oh No U DiDnT, I Am NoT Cr3d1bl3 becUz i tYpE like d!s ahahhahaha.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553770 - 04/25/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: ok , correction, your not retarded, the version of your mind needs an upgrade, alot of metaprogramming, probably some new firmware, new cmos, and bios battery 2. 
Oh ShIT not mY GrAmmEr , Oh No U DiDnT, I Am NoT Cr3d1bl3 becUz i tYpE like d!s ahahhahaha.
You went from sounding misinformed and dumb to being absolutely incomprehensible. Way to go!
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5553780 - 04/25/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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WhO4 n0w calling some1 DumB soundz l1ke a fl4m3 2 me 1 th1nk you just violated code 23.12795 of the poly sci ethics code b00k dat busTa
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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ok, i do give a fuck. but its not about 90% of any of you. its about that single black mother who has 3 kids to supports, takes the greyhound 45 minutes to work to goto the rich white mall a city over where she could never even shop, to support her kids, while shes at work therye being raised by the public school system.
its about that guy who just got laid off after working 15years honestly and loyally and feels worthless cuz they packed up the factory and moved it overseas where its cheaper. Why do u think they can get away with paying people less to do the same job somewhere else. becuase living expenses are the right prices and not overinflated with bullshit.
thats what its about, and thats what its for, so dont turn that shit on you or me. cuz its not about us.
I hear ya Fresh
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5554239 - 04/25/06 08:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: i dont need to if i dont give a fuck if you believe me or not, See?
u want proof , find your own proof.
its not about making life perfect dog, its about making it better, so be apathetic all u want.
your retarded 2 by the way how that for debate skillz.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
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its about that guy who just got laid off after working 15years honestly and loyally and feels worthless cuz they packed up the factory and moved it overseas where its cheaper
^^^^How dare a company consider cutting expenses in a global economy!!!!
Thats right, the company should stay in the United States, sell their product for a lose, and evently bring the shareholders AND stakeholders down with it.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5554419 - 04/25/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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another qoute out of context, o gee, what a suprise. its like christmas with all the presents under the tree with no wrapping in here.
Alex, glad u hear me , u must also have compassion for fellow hard working blue collar americans. thanks for standing up.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5554448 - 04/25/06 10:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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how exactly was that 'out of context'?
what was the context?!
you spew a bunch of teen-angst, misinformed BS.
I highly doubt that someone so apparently lacking the ability to think logically and critically or even the decency to substantiate your claims has the ability to make even a pittance in currency trading.
spare us all the bleeting heart nonsense and figure it out.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: afoaf]
#5555352 - 04/25/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jim Cramer says stay away from currency trading. I doubt its that easy.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Luddite]
#5557063 - 04/25/06 11:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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jim cramer's a fuckin pump and dump loser hahaha hey i can make a stock go up CUZ IM ON NATIONAL TELEVISON hahaha oh god thats so hard.
afoaf, i dont owe an explanation to you, if you want to make money go look at my tutorial , put in time and hard work, if you dont, fuck off and shutup. talk is cheap.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5557080 - 04/26/06 12:02 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/5536873/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1
heres the thread afoaf is talking about. its funny cuz i posted an actual picture too. hmm maybe that shit was photoshopped AHhahaahahaha. decide for youselves if u think i know what im talking about.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5557107 - 04/26/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What are you, 13? Learn how to discuss issues seriously, or get the fuck out of here.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
#5557194 - 04/26/06 12:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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suck my dick
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5557326 - 04/26/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
#5557345 - 04/26/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hi, if u cant take the heat dont step into the fire.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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What heat? I'm just referring to the "no flaming" rule which you have repeatedly violated in this thread.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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Currency trading at 100:1 or 200:1 leverage at $ 500 and you lose half you lose it all. Hmmm...I am thinking NO. 
Online poker, that's where it is at. Just don't withdraw money like I did, play only bonus money, find the "fish" (people that are either stupid or getting zero cards), play according to the program rules (you have to bet it to get it), and you will do just fine for a while. For a while until the cards that were so hot making bonus rake turn cold. And not just for a while, it could be days or even weeks. So I just quit, up four figures from playing some low stakes OHL limit and OHL pot limit and sit and go tournaments. It was fun while it lasted but as the guy on the movie Wall Street said "Son, enjoy it while it lasts because it never lasts."
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ok Randal you keep ripping fresh13, probley one of the few guys on this thread who knows whats going on, about where he lives. If I had to guess you live in the South and are a racist slob. Everything you say revolves around you, and all you know is the "rich" life that is obvious through your posts.
"Also, maybe Shaneekwa should have gotten an education or a skill of some kind and maybe she shouldn't have had a bunch of kids that she could not afford to support." -Shaneekwa....WOW what is your goal in life Randal? I think you have no idea what life is about and are confused. You just play into the system and think all that matters is money like most of America because that is all we hear from the media and is all we see around us. Look around, the world isn't about money. Most cultures around the world consider family to be the most important part of life, you are saying that she should not have had children because she couldn't aford them. What is your definition of a SUCCESFUL life? I would really love to hear your answer.
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Wow, what a remarkable showing of being a hypocrite. You tear into Randall for assuming things about Fresh313, then you make your own assumptions about Randall.
Also, he does not live in the south and I'm prett sure he isn't racist. He's just a realist and is not a politically correct sheep.
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David_vs_Goliath said: ok Randal you keep ripping fresh13, probley one of the few guys on this thread who knows whats going on, about where he lives. If I had to guess you live in the South and are a racist slob. Everything you say revolves around you, and all you know is the "rich" life that is obvious through your posts.
"Also, maybe Shaneekwa should have gotten an education or a skill of some kind and maybe she shouldn't have had a bunch of kids that she could not afford to support." -Shaneekwa....WOW what is your goal in life Randal? I think you have no idea what life is about and are confused. You just play into the system and think all that matters is money like most of America because that is all we hear from the media and is all we see around us. Look around, the world isn't about money. Most cultures around the world consider family to be the most important part of life, you are saying that she should not have had children because she couldn't aford them. What is your definition of a SUCCESFUL life? I would really love to hear your answer.
If he's not then I will. DON'T HAVE CHILDREN YOU CAN'T SUPPORT. Just say no to babies. What? There's not enough fucking people that some mouth breathing loser should have the right to foist their genes on the next generation? And add the burden of having to support said issue of morons on other people?
A SUCCESSFUL life? What's your idea? Producing endless amounts of burdensome DNA pollution? How about this for a concept: leave everyone else around you with more than they had when you came.
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David_vs_Goliath said: ok Randal you keep ripping fresh13, probley one of the few guys on this thread who knows whats going on, about where he lives. If I had to guess you live in the South and are a racist slob. Everything you say revolves around you, and all you know is the "rich" life that is obvious through your posts.
Having seen Randall around here, I should clear up a few things about him: (1)He lives in Pennsylvania, not the South, (2)He's not racist in any significant way, (3)His mother was on welfare when he was growing up, and he still is not "rich" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Look around, the world isn't about money.
actually, I really hate to admit this, but the world pretty much IS all about money.
I think Method Man said it best: "Cash Rules Everything Around Me."
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I can not believe some people. So caught up in the "American Way". I am not saying go out and have a thousand babies, but I want to change my post a bit, sorry about goin off on a tangent. After reading through the whole thread I was alittle pissed off and I just started ranting, but.....I still think it's rediculous to say do not have kids. I guess the real problem is what the thread started talking about in the beggining. Yesterday in the paper (Chicago Sun-times) I read a little snip about a CEO making a pension of 12,000$ a day. He makes this much after lowering the pension plans of the company he works for.(IBM) Now this is what is rediculous. A man can take that much money for himself just so he can frequent the country club and have more money than he can ever even spend and the workers at the bottom can not have children because they don't have enough money.(Zappa, Randal)
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A person should have enough self-responsibility to not have a child until he or she can properly support them. I want a child badly, but I do not yet have the means to do so. If an adult cares about their future child's life, they will make sure they can provide everything the child needs before they decided to procreate.
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dude, I gotta go with zappa, randall, and redstorm on this one.
people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford to raise them properly.
Also, anyone who is poor in a country where wealth is the rule and not the exception probably shouldn't be contributing to the gene pool.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
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Uh-oh...

You're gonna catch hell for that one.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: dude, I gotta go with zappa, randall, and redstorm on this one.
people shouldn't have kids if they can't afford to raise them properly.
Also, anyone who is poor in a country where wealth is the rule and not the exception probably shouldn't be contributing to the gene pool.
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Tomatoes? Nah, I'd like to throw you flowers! Anybody who throws a tomato refer to me. I'll eat their liver. Babies kill. Just say no.
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David_vs_Goliath said: ok Randal you keep ripping fresh13, probley one of the few guys on this thread who knows whats going on, about where he lives.
I was merely pointing out how nonsensical his points were and how flawed his debating style was.
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David_vs_Goliath said: If I had to guess you live in the South and are a racist slob.
You're wrong on all of those assertions.
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David_vs_Goliath said: Everything you say revolves around you, and all you know is the "rich" life that is obvious through your posts.
Not everything that I say revolves around me. Also, I know what it is like to be incredibly poor by the way.
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David_vs_Goliath said: -Shaneekwa....WOW
It was a joke for God's sake. I make fun of everybody and everything; including stereotypes and myself.
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David_vs_Goliath said: what is your goal in life Randal?
To fuck a bunch of women..?
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David_vs_Goliath said: I think you have no idea what life is about and are confused.
That's the only thing you are correct about.
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David_vs_Goliath said: You just play into the system and think all that matters is money like most of America because that is all we hear from the media and is all we see around us. Look around, the world isn't about money.
Huh? Where did you get the impression that I only care about money?
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David_vs_Goliath said: you are saying that she should not have had children because she couldn't aford them.
Exactly.
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David_vs_Goliath said: What is your definition of a SUCCESFUL life? I would really love to hear your answer.
To be happy and to not mooch off of anybody else.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said: (2)He's not racist in any significant way

I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or not.
I'm a member of KKK-lite and not the normal KKK. You should come to one of our meetings sometime.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: RandalFlagg]
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sorry for causing the firestorm, just voicing my opinions. My mistake on the assumptions regarding your life. But I seriously wanted to know your idea of a succesful life. I think this is an important question to ask yourself
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david, if u argue with fools, then from a distant observers point of view, u look like just another fool.
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LunarEclipse said: Currency trading at 100:1 or 200:1 leverage at $ 500 and you lose half you lose it all. Hmmm...I am thinking NO. 
no risk no reward, as an asian guy here said to me when i told him i was a trader. 'if you dont go into the tigers den , u can't get the cubs'
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5561702 - 04/27/06 04:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: call me a commie all u want. China.
there are more capitalist in china then north america
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Noetical]
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true, but its still communist.
on a wider note, very free market in asia, no government bullshit.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5561906 - 04/27/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No country has ever been communist.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
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ok. no country has ever been communist. do you have a point ?
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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You seem to think that china and Russia have been communist... I was just letting you know, thats incorrect.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: EquilibriuM]
#5562255 - 04/27/06 10:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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socialist.. ? u gonna make me guess. at least give me multiple choice.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5562296 - 04/27/06 10:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"No risk no reward".
Did you meet this Asian guy at a casino, because every time I go to a casino it seems to have about 60% asian men, most smoking heavily and scowling and losing money like crazy.
I had a stock broker tell me once "No guts no glory" and I believed him and sold my Occidental petroleum stock at 10 that was paying a 10% dividend, and bought stock options. The broker made lots as I madly traded stock options and ended up making a few $$ due to my skill as a trader and in spite of the high costs of trading. Had I instead just hung on to that boring OXY stock which is now 200+ not including all of those 10% dividends, I would have far more money with far less risk and certainly far less headaches. Active trading is basically a pain in the ass. Better to buy right and hold.
JMHO have fun trying to grab those cubs before mama tiger mauls you.
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yes, for the average john q public investor, holding a stock is the best way to go. a good trader can make exponentially more than a buy and holder. so u got in over your head probably, you have to spend a lot of time watching stocks , learning how to analyze and predict trends using technical anaylsis and for the very short term reading fundamental [news] and interpreting it properly is crucial. its a full time career, not a oh ill fuck around and trade a bit kind thing. i have not even looked at options. i know there are people that can make mad bank off them, but therye not for me, i dont even mess with the stock market anymore, too much manipulation, the people making the real bank are the institutions. you see though, the reason it can be manipulated is becuz some huge firm can throw way more money then u can at a stock and make it go up, then bounce out for a huge profit cuz they suckered thousands of people into buying the stock as its running. but with the currency market, i dont care if u got 10 million your just a blip on the screen , maybe u move it a few pips, but we're talking a trillion dollar market. nobody can manipulate it. even warren buffet lost like a 100 millions or some crazy stack betting on a currency to fall. but as an active currency trader if u spend the time learning, u can make sick bank. its just about cutting your losers and riding your winners. everytime u make a trade u already have set how much your prepared to lose. the way people lose money is they let thier emotions take over. they ride a loser into the ground cuz its gotta go back up sometime right.. right ?? : P
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
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Communism;
A classless society with no exploitation. No state machine used by one section of the population to oppress another section. No need for professional armies or police forces. No use of production for profit or exchange. Society runs in accord with the principle: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
Bullshit definition (ie: commonly believed--but WRONG) Rule of society by a single party which maintains a monopoly of political power and suppresses all opposition. Control of the economy via centralized bureaucratic planning.
Examples of bullshit definition: the former Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, etc.
Where has communism existed? Nowhere. Communism, in the scientific sense of a classless society, has never existed.
Exception: A form of primitive communism existed within primitive communal societies in prehistoric times
ref. http://www.communism.org/
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5562463 - 04/27/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"i dont even mess with the stock market anymore, too much manipulation, the people making the real bank are the institutions. you see though, the reason it can be manipulated is becuz some huge firm can throw way more money then u can at a stock and make it go up, then bounce out for a huge profit cuz they suckered thousands of people into buying the stock as its running. but with the currency market, i dont care if u got 10 million your just a blip on the screen , maybe u move it a few pips, but we're talking a trillion dollar market. nobody can manipulate it."
Just because the currency market is large doesn't mean the dollar and therefore the dollar/euro and yen relationship can't be moved by a few words from the U.S. Federal Bank chairman. You have stated you don't follow the news, if I were trading currencies I would have a calendar of fed announcements, euro banker announcements, etc. Big Mistake. The charts mean nothing if the news changes.
I have been fortunate to have ridden the real estate market up while you have apparently been trying to make a living as a stock and currency trader. If all you made last year was $ 4,500 on your currency trading, perhaps you need to be looking for a new career. In China, that would be a comfortable income, but in this country it is otherwise known as unemployment or welfare benefits. With a minimum wage of $ 6 at 40 hours per week and 50 weeks a year your income would be $ 12,000. How many hours a day do you spend watching the currency exchange rates and analyzing your next move? Time is money as they say.
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news events are already accounted for in the chart b4 thier even announced, especially pre-planned events. read about technical analysis. read about international finance, read read read, and trade,trade trade, if you dont believe thats fine, but i speak from experience. if you ever traded currency youd see its about 90%+ technicals.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5566060 - 04/28/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sure do [know what happens in China]. and i can solve thier problem. heres the solution. dont bitch.
If you lived in China, you wouldn't be allowed to read or post on the Shroomery.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Diploid]
#5566209 - 04/28/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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welll i guess im not in chiiinnnaaa thennn
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5566307 - 04/28/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I agree that the market already follows what the fed will likely do at their meeting and often get it right. Sometimes it is pretty clear whether they will raise rates or not at any particular meeting. Right now I would say given inflation and the oil market and their current "we plan on stopping raising rates after one or two more 1/4% increases but don't count on it" statements leave a lot of room for uncertainty about how many more rate increases we will see over the next year or two. This uncertainty makes the chart and technical analysis less valid.
"News" is just that. The future. The unknown. Sometimes it is "big news" that could greatly affect things such as 9/11. Did your charts tell you on Sept 10th, 2001 that there would be planes hitting the World Trade Center buildings the next day? Did your charts show the markets being closed and stocks gapping lower? Stop loss orders didn't help you then did they? Right on past your stop loss order and way down there. Yikes. Shit happens.
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i trade very short term, like 2 - 6- hrs most times, so i these things dont affect me, im in and out, i can only predict the future that far ahead. my crystal ball can only show me so much. gaps only occur when the market closes so that'd only be apllicable if u hold over the weekend, which i dont.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5566439 - 04/28/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's called day trading and most people who do it spend all day watching the computer screen and don't make much money because they are in and out all the time and end up with too much in trading costs. Spreads and commissions. There are better in and out things to do. 
Crystal balls are great when they work. On the days when they get broken not so great. That's why long term buys and holds are good. Your crystal ball only has to work once when you buy and once when you sell. Plus, the government actually rewards people who buy a house and live in it for 2+years or buy a stock that they hold for 1+ year and sell at a gain by eliminating completely in the case of the house or reducing the taxes in the case of the stock long term capital gain! Imagine that...
For me personally I am interested in the currency market because I am concerned about the potential for further dollar devaluation. Given the recent weakness I might expect a bounce back up on the dollar before the next move down. I wouldn't trade actively and would use zero leverage, but would try to time it such that I buy euros at the top of a dollar bounce. Then wait. If the dollar gets hammered again I would buy it back and wait. Given recent price history it would seem the swings could be 3-5% in a month or two which is enough of a potential return to get my "interest". I would expect to be in and out perhaps 6-12x in a year depending on the price action. A little in and out is good.
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yes daytrading, i was talkin specifically about currency trading. daytrading is a whole nother beast, with sharper teeth and quicker bites.
ZERO LEVERAGE. i hope u have a few hundred thousand to throw down then dog, otherwise your making pennies for real.
nothing wrong with long term trades. thier for investors and not traders. just trade a longer time period chart thats all. add in whatever fundamentals u think will help your positioning.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5567860 - 04/28/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Only a few hundred thousand? I can get that out of petty cash. I thought you were talking real money.
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hah, aiight man. u got the bank then do it up. good luck with your trading friend.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5569832 - 04/29/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK for sake of discussion about whether this currency trading makes sense. Say I have $ 100,000 in dollars earning 5% which means $5,000 a year in interest. If I think the dollar will be heading lower (after perhaps a technical bounce over the next few weeks?), should I:
A. Exchange the entire $ 100,000 of dollars and buy euros and hold and get approx. 2 1/2% interest so "lose" $ 2,500 a year in interest buy hope to make that back if the dollar goes lower from the exchange rate changing.
B. Keep the $ 100,000 earning 5% but buy a futures contract on euros leveraged 10:1.
My guess is A but if the cost of the futures contract and margin interest they charge is less than the $ 2,500 difference in interest earned between the dollar and euro then the answer is B.
By definition given the interest rate differential the dollar has to devalue by 2 1/2% vs. the euro for an equivalent 12 month return.
Any thoughts?
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you know i dont play long term so i dont have to worry about margin interest. im not sure what the deal , if they charge you interest of holding a position with the money they give you on leverage or not. seems like they would have to otherwise youd be tying up thier money. what i would do is use leverage like 1:50 or even 1:100 [pending your calculations on the interest rate aganist your 5% MoneyMarket] something like that and hold for a month or so. u know its always going to correct, nothing just goes one way for a long period of time. its better to take your profits then get back in when the situation warrants taking another position. no need in commiting yourself to a position for a long period of time.
lemme take a look at the technicals of eur/usd...
yah i do believe a position aganist the usd is looking good right now got the right shoulder upside formed of the head and shoulders pattern on the monthly chart just had a big run on the weekly and daily charts , gonna fall soon. good for about 300pips , lookin at like a month or two time period.
so for hypothetical situations sake.
say u got 1 lot = 100,000 dollars, cash or at leverage whichever 300 pips would make u 3,000 dollars. so thats a return of 3% in a month if it was no leverage at leverage of 10:1, thats a return of 30%.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5570772 - 04/29/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK looking at the 2 year chart of USD/euro the current ratio is 0.7916 which in looking at the last big breakdown of the dollar below 0.80 occured Sept 04 - Jan 05 and the dollar dropped to a low of 0.73 and then rebounded. Initial support on the downside is at 0.78 which was resistance on the rebound from 0.73 and was broken through on May of 2005. Rebound took us to 0.82-0.86 trading range over the past year until recent drop. Right now is critical if we drop it will be to 0.78, if we bounce it could see 0.82 which is time to short. Short the ranch up to 0.84 should it get that high. 0.84 has become MAJOR resistance so any break above that should be with a tight stop.
That's my read. If I were to trade today I would set a 3% stop above the 0.7916 level and be out above that. If it continues to drop, either get out short term at 0.78, or wait intermediate term of 3-6 month to test 0.73. That represents a 10% gain which if it occurs within 3 months would be decent.
BUT in looking at the stock charts I think the Nasdaq is headed for a fall MSFT bad news and the market has been hitting it's head against the ceiling. Could be time to short the QQQQ...
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This is all very interesting, gentlemen, but this forum is not for posting day trading strategies and/or currency arbitrage. It's for the discussion of politics, activism, and law.
If you're not going to address fresh313s points offered in his opening post, please don't post at all.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: Phred]
#5573031 - 04/30/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey its my thread , chill the funk out currency trading is related to economics which is related to global finance, which is related to international politics. its all connected.
maybe intelligent conversation is frowned upon in this forum, im not sure. dont post in here much.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5573380 - 04/30/06 07:26 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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fresh313 said: hey its my thread , chill the funk out

It may be your thread but he is the moderator.
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Re: American fuckuEnomicks [Re: fresh313]
#5573445 - 04/30/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"currency trading is related to economics which is related to global finance, which is related to international politics."
If anything, the currencies of the world and the exchange rate differentials have recently become a much more major focus of politicians in the United States, China, Europe Japan etc...
As an example, the current administration has been pushing China to increase the value of it's currency to "make U.S. goods more competitive to export." Of course the flipside is that it also makes Chinese goods more expensive and who buys more from who? So why on earth would the U.S. want the average consumer to pay more for clothing, shoes, TVs, etc. etc. by forcing the yuan to rise in value if overall the U.S. consumers loses when the yuan gets revalued higher relative to the dollar. This seems a particularly bad idea when interest rates on housing and cars is moving higher, and oil prices are at an all time high.
The only argument that makes sense is that instead of just raising interest rates to combat inflation, the U.S. government is now making attempts to curb consumption in the U.S. and therefore inflation by increasing costs of goods such as Chinese products and oil to the American consumer. Of course, you could argue they don't want oil prices this high, and they only want to help the American exporting companies when the yuan gets revalued 30% higher(while increasing costs of all Chinese products to American consumers by 30% or more).
Granted, all of this isn't nearly as important to discuss as what somebody will do to their "crooked cop neighbor", but since it involves the entire world economy and the potential for politically imposed tariffs on Chinese products for "failure to comply" as already mentioned by the administration, perhaps it does deserve some attention.
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