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ekornmeyer
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Some serious salvia talk.
#5549775 - 04/24/06 12:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alrighty then. I myself have tried Salvia twice. The first time, the only effect I had was uncontrolable laughter. The second time was bunk salvia, and had no effects at all.
I have, though, read many reports on Salvia trips, and I am very intrigued in learning more, and possibly delving into the experience myself. But, there is one little problem... the whole thought of 'breaking through' scares me. I often think about things outside of this universe, what we really are, what really happens when we die, etc, etc.
The purpose of this thread, is I would like experienced Salvia users to post in this thread and give me insight on how your life has actually changed from breaking through. Is it like you gain a whole new knowledge of living? If so, do you contstantly dwell on it? Or is it something that is, like you've known it forever?
I am just really, really interested in the whole aspect of it. If you are able to put it into words, please do so!
Edited by ekornmeyer (04/24/06 12:12 AM)
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5549846 - 04/24/06 12:40 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've done salvia a few times with doses ranging from 6x-20x, and although they've all been very surreal voyages, I would hardly consider them enlightening, at least to the extent that they've altered my life.
The only real lasting impacts are the memories that I have of the trips. With higher doses I've almost felt as if I were in another dimension, and although the trip is only a few minutes long, it is an interesting point of recollection.
Maybe there are others out there with more profound experiences.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: Festivus]
#5549891 - 04/24/06 12:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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my experience when i 'broke through' with salvia was not enlightening, but i geuss it depends on how you look at things like this.
it was like the salvia helped me gain knowledge about reality, i 'knew' that reality was breaking apart into the peices it is actually made of, like it is just a computer program, or something synthetic or made by someone. it was splitting into layers so it could be fixed because of a malfunction of some sort. the ground became completely vertical and i had to fall down, when i looked back at the ground behind me to see if it was safe to fall, it looked like a flat small desert with columns of very small bushes, when it was actually just a wall of trees. i became a face for likea minute, a face, not a person, just a face. i couldnt move at all. my friend said i was speaking complete nonsence, not a word of real language.
i came back to normal completely like 20 minutes later.
i see it as just a drug messing with my perceptions, not a mystical indian spirit.
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Edited by enderwood (04/24/06 12:58 AM)
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: Festivus]
#5549910 - 04/24/06 01:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia is not for everyone. Not many people ever get much out of it thats for damn sure....
I had about 130 trips under my belt before I tried salvia. And my first time with Only a 5x extract broke through(HEAVY visuals were the least interesting part about it).
Honestly, If you do "break through"(totally subjective as far as the dose one should take) your ego is destroyed in an instant, so you dont learn much about life as you know it. What happens during the heavy salvia trip is only relavent to few people. Many people here as you might have noticed dont like the stuff.
I dont understand most people, so I dont understand salvia the way you might. For me breaking through to an unseen level of valuable neurological input, is great when using this drug no matter the dose.
The leaf is just fine for me. The lessons become you, and has less to do with your need to assimilate to them afterward. It is more automatic than with any other hallucinogen.
You might just dwell on it to some degree though. It can be that intense.
You wont learn shit about the stuff at this site though. It is capable of so much, and you wont find that information here...... Sorry, pm me if you are interested.
Salvia is not some less-interesting alternative to the other more long lasting hallucinogens.
Edited by stemmer (04/24/06 01:15 AM)
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: stemmer]
#5549948 - 04/24/06 01:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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after breaking through with salvia i feel almost like i know something that no one else knows, like i had an experience that no one else will have in their lifetime.
its a shock, it can be pretty scary. at the time i didnt know i had just taken a hit. it was way too real, nothing in my brain was telling me 'hey its just a drug', or 'hey this cant be real'. it was all REAL.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: enderwood]
#5550061 - 04/24/06 02:28 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I reread my previous post and it doesn't sound as positive as I think that it should be.
I have no reservations about encouraging others to try it and I would certainly encourage you to do the same. There is a certain experience with it that is worth the effort, but it does require patience and a proper mindset to really appreciate it.
Will it change your life? Probably not, but it's still a unique way to discover and explore the way your neurological system functions together with reality.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: Festivus]
#5550094 - 04/24/06 02:44 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Probably not" is not something I would tell someone who is trying it for the first time.
I agree with that fully though........ festivus(a fan of seinfeld perhapse)
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: stemmer]
#5550265 - 04/24/06 06:03 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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(background)
I woke up as someone else who I'd have to pass as being. I didn't like this person, or what I could guess of them from the room I was slowly identifying.
Her mother (lady S, not my actual waking life mother) was waiting impatiently in the hall for her daughter to come to her. I was the wrong person and would have to pass as her.
Coming out of it, the disgust and disappointment and sadness as I realised that I knew this room and that I was the person who lived there.
THis I think was all on the come-out. There'd been a whole other narrative in the peak of it. THis was as I was coming back to myself.
I've had this sense of being the wrong person on shrooms, too, but never in such a violent and physical way. On shrooms it's more a momentary sadness, a kind of self-pity that I try to put aside.
(thoughts)
So. I am changing things about my life. I realised: I am (acting-living) younger than I thought of myself as being. I hadn't shed a skin in too long. Old ways and dependant ways.
I think the come-out let me see my life from the vantage point of a stranger. Valuable. Very valuable.
As we exist we build up casings of detritus around us, dust heaping, moulds. THe mould becomes our image of ourselves. Jerking me into another life and then back again shook this detritus away and made it possible for me to do the conscious work of changing the way I live.
THis work is still in progress. When I feel I've remade myself as something true-er, whatever that might be, I'll do it again. See what next to change and where the buildup is then. I guess salvia is a kind of reality check - do I like my self-constructed reality, do I want to be the person I live as though I am.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: AliveAgain]
#5550381 - 04/24/06 08:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the great replies guys, Stemmer, I'll PM you later on today. I'm not looking to use salvia as a way to get 'messed up', if it has things to teach me, I want to learn all of it.
What I don't want, is a permanant altered state of mind, to any degree. That was my main concern on the original post, more of the after effects, rather then the actual trip.
Another opinion I would like is, I read on this other report, and this guy recommended to jump into a level 4 trip your first time, instead of starting small and working up. Would any experienced users suggest this as well? Is there something to be learned in going through the steps to break through? Or would it be the same if I just jumped into it.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5550454 - 04/24/06 08:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"What I don't want, is a permanant altered state of mind, to any degree. That was my main concern on the original post, more of the after effects, rather then the actual trip."
Sometimes you may feel like you've been changed forever, but after awhile the altered state fades, usually a week or two after a hard hitting trip and you'Re back to normal.
I wouldn't encourage salvia use on a regular basis though, cause personally anyway i started doubting reality and stuff like that. If you think about what you see on salvia you get meaning out of it, otherwise its just a "crazy messed up" experience.
And as for the have you known it all along thing: it depends how much you are in touch with yourself i find. If you have been basically studying yourself then what you see seems oddly familiar and makes sense, if you don't then from what i have seen with other people is that they get scared from seeing what truly goes on inside them.
As for easing yourself into salvia with small doses: Nothing can prepare you for the breakthrough, it still kicks me in the face everytime.
Hope at least some of this info is valuable to you. Note: any theories stated in my message are just my personal theories, i have no proven scientific info to back it up.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: SapphireCat]
#5550547 - 04/24/06 09:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some people say that salvia is just another mind altering chemical and that that's all there is to it. I think not.
Salvia has shown me the alpha and the omega, has terrified me and filled my spirit with fulfillment, has confused me and made me understand everything in the universe. I can reflect on my 'trips' and know and understand them without being able to explain them to save my life.
The salvia trip is always different everytime I indulge, however there is also a sense of familiarity there every time, as if I am a part of somthing much much larger, and not of this world.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5550582 - 04/24/06 09:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Salvia is a teacher. Some of the lessons can be difficult to understand, some are relatively easy to understand. Salvia doesn't just come out and tell you all the secrets, Salvia shows you amazing things but its up to you to understand them.
For instance, a lesson that was difficult for me to understand, is
that every moment lives on as its own life. While we move on with time, the moments before us don't. The moments before us continue living in their moment while time moves on without "us."
Thats the hard part, "US," because we are in that moment that continues to live on without "US" and we are also in the present time.
This has profound impact I am only on the edge of understanding...
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ekornmeyer
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: rockytop83]
#5550585 - 04/24/06 09:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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So what makes you think it's just not the drug? I don't want to be negative about it, but it's a genuine question.
I guess there is no real way to answer that question when it comes down to it, who knows what is really the truth.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5550615 - 04/24/06 10:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've tried salvia 10x about 5 or 6 times now, and each time it's been the same. I've been very distant from a best mate who i know very well, it's like i haven't known him long. First time i took it, i laughed quite a bit, but i've never been "tripping" hard enough to not control it. Maybe i havent taken enough (3/4 long deep breaths held for 30 seconds taken straight in from a small metal key-chain pipe) but i wouldn't say salvia is anything near a real 'trip'. I do like the effects, but it doesn't last long, and if i could get my hands on some good ol' hard hallucenogens, the salvia would go out the window. peace
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: CarlZ]
#5551104 - 04/24/06 01:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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salvia is the ultimate hallucenogen. sure, you dont see a plant breathe, but you do get thrown into a totaly different 3d world. it might not last as long as shrooms or acid, and you might not see geometric little shapes on a white wall, but you do become an inanimate object and interact with people who arent even there.
if you smoke enough salvia it is the most insane experience out there. if you have read the trip reportof the guy who took 40 grams of dry shrooms, its like that but it doesnt last as long.
does anyone know what salvia does to your brain? is it worse for you than shrooms? i wouldnt think so but you never know.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: enderwood]
#5551125 - 04/24/06 01:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Happen to have a link for the 40g report?
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5551135 - 04/24/06 01:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ekornmeyer]
#5551156 - 04/24/06 01:47 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Though no thorough analysis has been conducted there is no sign of neorutoxicity and lasting effects from salvia (except your new perspective on reality perhaps).
I have been fortunate enough to have several breakthrough experiances on salvia which have giving me a new appreciation for life and also a new perspective on this reality. I have experiances complete ego loss (becoming only an entity that can view with no knowledge of who I was what my name was and what I was).
Since you can never understand salvia from words to those who know I will briefly state; If there is a 4th dimension I'm sure that I have experianced it in some of my 5+ salvia experiances.
Also as a suedo artist I can see how the qualities of salvia can compare directly with the mindssets of Escher and Gieger as well as many other Geometric/Symmetry/Surrealist artists.
I believe my 1st salvia breakthrough experiance was one of the best things I have experianced and introduced me into a whole other reality (even if it only exists in my mind) and really caused me to re-evaluate my perspective.
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Re: Some serious salvia talk. [Re: ezkiel]
#5552203 - 04/24/06 07:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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over 350 salvia sessions in 3 years, i do not find it toxic or foggy-fying.
the first breakthrotugh did open me up even more than lsd and shrooms have over the years, but in a different way.
it leaves quickly but never really leaves at all. not completely.
how am I changed? I type more, am happier, health is pretty stable - more than before I think. more dream recollection.
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My first and only salvia experience was a horrifying yet amazing and mind boggling.
I smoked 25x, my friends were all telling me how bad I was going to trip. I bragged about the time I ate 12 grams of mushrooms and said Im sure I could handle a little salvia. So I smoke a large hit cashing the bowl in one hit and holding it in for about 15 seconds.
Me exhaling was the last normal thing. I felt asthough I was falling backwards into the salvia universe. Suddenly Im in the path Im standing in, I become stuck in a wall which is painted to look like it has depth. I break free, and fall all around everywhere (My friends told me I was standing almost completely still). I didnt remember I was on a drug and started panicing. I thought I was stuck there and could never go home. I suddenly was trapped in a white room, and could see nothing but my friends faces floating around implanted into the wall. I suddenly flash back to realit for a split second, then go back to the savlia world. My friends see emotional distress in my face, and start comforting me telling me it will be over soon. Just as quickly as it began, it ended. I felt funny and was very quiet for the next 20 minutes. I then was just dumbfounded and amazed at what I has just experienced.
Anyways, thats my salvia experience.
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