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Soccer and America
#5547653 - 04/23/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why does america give soccer the cold shoulder?
The press always rips on soccer, the sport never gets promoted like the other "big 3" sports, i hardly ever see highlights on Sports Center. MLS get relegated to ESPN 2 once a week, while i have to endure the arena football league or some PBA bowling skills trick shot challenge on a saturday afternoon. really, who the hell could name a bowling professional, yet, there it is, on TV in this country more than the world's favorite sport.
my theory is the reason soccer isnt in the mainstream sports media is as follows:
modern sports is so money driven, therefor, advertising for NFL games or NBA games costs millions. hell, the NBA has timeouts called "TV timeouts." advertisers shy away from soccer b/c there are no timeouts, there is no way to hock their products in the form of a 30 second spot like they want. putting your corporate logo next to the on-screen score box doesnt have the same effect as a 30 second spot about the latest "boner-pill" so corps. shy away from advertising out of a lack of creativity. this, in turn, offers no incentive for the major networks/ESPN to show games, soccer is never watched/discussed/analyzed by the masses.
worse yet, the lack of knowledge about the sport leads to its ridicule. soccer is not as tough as football or rugby, but its certainly as physical as bascketball and more physical than baseball. yet, it gets this rap as being a sport for pansy asses.
any thoughts?
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: MrBump]
#5547789 - 04/23/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i love to play the game and it's reasonably physical, but i'd say not as much as b-ball
it's just boring to watch
and aside from commercials, soccer has way more advertisement than other sports the jerseys are plastered with siemens and sony and shit as are the stadiums
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yeah i agree. i played soccer for years (8) and its still fun to play.. and requires just as much skill as other sports.. but bottom line is.. it is boring to watch.. most of the time..
it just doesnt compare to watching basketball or football..
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Banez]
#5547950 - 04/23/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'd rather watch it than baseaball though,
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i used to feel the same.. until this year..ive found myself watching more and more baseball.. mainly to see how my fantasy players do.. i mainly enjoy watching pitching.. idk why something about nasty curveballs and fastballs just makes me love to watch some pitchers
chris carpenter, schilling, and beckett are among my favorites to watch.. and dontrelle willis!
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Banez]
#5548034 - 04/23/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The lack of interest is due to ignorance of the game (the time out thing may have something to do with promotion of the sport but if there was a market they would fill it regardless). Given the fact that it is so low scoring I find that even the inkling of a threat, if you can see it, is very exciting. The World Cup is fantastic because the players are so adept at taking advantage of every defensive mistake. I remember watching a game last WC and seeing a player get control deep in his own zone but with too much space. Sure enough, bing bang boom, easy goal. It was perfection. Either you get it or you don't. Most Americans don't realize what a threat every corner kick is, or every trip into the penalty box.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: zappaisgod]
#5548132 - 04/23/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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it's not much different in terms of scoring and such than hockey save for corner kicks
i loved corner kicks back in the day at goalie, i'd fuck that shit up
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yeah the world cup is amazing.. i remember going down to columbus crew stadium at like 4am to watch them play Germany.. there were thousands of people there.. we watched the game on a like.. HUGE screen.. and everyone was going nuts
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I le magnifique said: it's not much different in terms of scoring and such than hockey save for corner kicks
i loved corner kicks back in the day at goalie, i'd fuck that shit up
Goals are much more common in hockey than in competitive footie. I was a keeper. I fucking hated corners. They were too often like pinball. High and close... no problem; out there too far to wreck...no chance. Hated shit I couldn't see.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: zappaisgod]
#5548928 - 04/23/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hackey doesn't score that often
that's exactly why i liked corners, they're so hectic
plus if you leap over some cat and snag the ball you look like a total badass
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There is a hell of a lot more scoring in hockey than in soccer. I also think that soccer is a lot more commercialized than most other sports. There are ads everywhere. There aren't any TV commercials, but each half is sponsored by major corporations in order to keep it commercial free. Some soccer players make just as much money as the top stars in other leagues.
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Its like golf. Something that is a blast to play but I would rather watch the grass grow than watch it on T.V.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: kilroy69]
#5551299 - 04/24/06 02:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'd rather golf just not exist, personally
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Man U beat the LA Galaxy 7-0
Is that to be expected?
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Yes. MLS is pretty awful
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Yeah the best American soccer players all play on euro club teams. MLS blows. They just need a big ass tv contract or something. Doubt that will happen because we have our own, better sports in the USA
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Pureless]
#20338067 - 07/27/14 02:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've always loved soccer I played competitively for over a decade. I still put on my cleats from time to time and join in games at the Nets.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
#20354809 - 07/31/14 09:14 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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AS Roma beat Real Madrid in the Cotton Bowl and about 20 fans invaded the pitch before the match was over. Many of them took selfies.
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Did you guys see that guy kick a 50 yd FG with the broncos training camp like it was nothing.
Im amazed they don’t sign one of those dudes when they are too old to be good at soccer anymore. Didn’t the vikings have like a 50 year old kicker?
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
#20365352 - 08/02/14 03:43 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I did see that. You gotta be able to deal with kick offs though. Remember Louis Sakoda?
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Of course i do.
Dude a midfielder definitely has the leg to be a place kicker. they must just be sissies or smart enough to realize they can make way more money and have a way longer career playing soccer.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
#20365726 - 08/02/14 05:05 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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One thing the NFL does not like to do is think outside the box.
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My dad kicked a top shelfer and beat me from the circle. I can't kick nearly far but get me at the top of the box and shit will be top shelf at the goal. I haven't played in a couple
Been playing a fuck ton of basketball. I need to find more soccer homies. Love it.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
#20367625 - 08/03/14 02:12 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Top shelf is a hockey term
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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Eh that's what I've always called it. It's exactly the same thing. Now we're just splitting hairs.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
#20368692 - 08/03/14 12:19 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don’t know a thing about hockey but going high is bad in soccer. its way easier to block and miss. Ive always hated that shelf shit, just sounds dumb to me.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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The problem with going high is that you have an another dimension that you can miss on. Top corners, if you can hit them, are impossible to stop. Anything low the keeper has a shot at if he guesses right.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
#20369428 - 08/03/14 03:18 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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elax420 said: I don’t know a thing about hockey but going high is bad in soccer. its way easier to block and miss. Ive always hated that shelf shit, just sounds dumb to me.
Top right or top left. It's hard as fuck to block. What are you talking about?
My Friends back in the day we'd kick the balls and try to hit the cross bar. Just getting accuracy down. You want to hit top corners the goalie just has far too much area to cover.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
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Not true at all. Think about how much easier it is to jump and block above your head than it is to block low. Its like catching a football high is way better than low. Most the goalies are like 6’5 dude so its even harder for them to go low. You more likely to miss or get blocked going for the corners than you are to score on em. Don’t you notice how players try to keep the shot down?
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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Depends on the situation. Ya if I'm close I'm going to put it in the bottom corners. At the top of the box I'm putting that shit top corners.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
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All I’m saying is its infinitely harder to curl a ball past the keeper than it is to just drive it in, and a Driven ball that floats is really easy to block. If you score you score though man.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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Ya you bend that shit into the top corner. The first time I did it I was so stoked.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
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The world cup guys almost always go low. That's all I need to know.
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Because its so easy to fuck up a power shot and put it 20feet over the net unless you just aim it into the dirt to begin with.
The harder you hit it the easier it is going to be to get under the ball and sky it or just make it rise too much.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
#20370334 - 08/03/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get over the ball and don't lean back.
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Eh its football season now.
Im done with soccer unless some chicks wanna play its time to start working on my football skills.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Because its so easy to fuck up a power shot and put it 20feet over the net unless you just aim it into the dirt to begin with.
The harder you hit it the easier it is going to be to get under the ball and sky it or just make it rise too much.
Yep. It's hard as fuck. It's all situational. When in doubt put that shit in the middle. Power behind it and on net. Make them work for it.
Sometimes it just feels right. Sportscenter here I come.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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elax420 said: Eh its football season now.
Im done with soccer unless some chicks wanna play its time to start working on my football skills.
I actually can throw a pretty nasty and accurate spiral. I love throwing shit. Actually aboutta hang out with a homie and toss the ball around.
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elax420 said: Not true at all. Think about how much easier it is to jump and block above your head than it is to block low. Its like catching a football high is way better than low. Most the goalies are like 6’5 dude so its even harder for them to go low. You more likely to miss or get blocked going for the corners than you are to score on em. Don’t you notice how players try to keep the shot down?
They keep them low to cut down on the chance that they miss entirely. There are more misses than saves.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
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Real Madrid and Man U played in front of 109,000 in the Big House.
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i saw that.
The top rated comment was "Michigans entire population of Mexicans right there folks”
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
#20377864 - 08/05/14 11:39 AM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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MLS is supposably moving to the Euro schedule aug-may
Seems fucking retarded to me. Why would anyone want to go to a soccer game when its 10 degrees outside?
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: elax420]
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i like how most of us played keeper... and are on a drug forum... thinking inside the box.
obviously shots from a little farther out have a higher probability of being higher due to going over the keeper as he is off the line a little.
close shots generally go low cause the angle is tighter if the keeper is coming out to the ball.
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elax420 said: i saw that.
The top rated comment was "Michigans entire population of Mexicans right there folks”
lol
Are Mexicans really that interested in European clubs? The crowd looked like a lot of suburban honkeys to me.
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ReposadoXochipilli said: i like how most of us played keeper... and are on a drug forum... thinking inside the box.
obviously shots from a little farther out have a higher probability of being higher due to going over the keeper as he is off the line a little.
close shots generally go low cause the angle is tighter if the keeper is coming out to the ball.
Ya I played keeper for a year. Generally I was striker though. But I've done it many times playing with my friends playing Wimbly.
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ReposadoXochipilli said: i like how most of us played keeper... and are on a drug forum... thinking inside the box.
There are two things about being keeper. One, the spotlight is as tight on your ass as it can be. There is no hiding. Two, it does not require years of honing bizarre foot skills. You can learn positioning and threat recognition but the number one qualification for a keeper is you must have insane reaction time. There is a reason why I was a keeper and a third baseman.
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Re: Soccer and America [Re: Enjoywho]
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Donovan's retiring. He also took a little shot at Klinsmann.
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zappaisgod
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I would say that Donovan retiring is a rather strong affirmation that Klinsmann made the right call.
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My niece was a goalie in highschool for several years. She was ranked second best goaltender in her age group at the club level. She got bored with it because her team was so good that she was only facing one shot on goal. She quit and joined volleyball, was able to get a scholarship to Northern Michigan.
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zappaisgod
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It is a lot more fun to be a keeper when your team sucks.
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