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Mexico Border why not put up a fence?
    #5547059 - 04/23/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Seriously why not? put a pretty high fence or wall there. And then hire like 200 people to drive along it and make sure theres no ladders or holes or nothing. its better then nothing imo.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Hitman203]
    #5547152 - 04/23/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Some Mexicans seem to think it's a good idea too
http://www.artcamp.com.mx/venga/

As I mentioned in an earlier post, one of the reasons to stop this is that Mexico will never fix itself if it can keep outsourcing its problems.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006819.php#comments

"While conservatives argue for closing the southern border and enforcing the law to deport illegal immigrants, our opposition argues for a supposedly more humane approach of either completely open borders or the granting of amnesty to the twelve million who have already come to the US. That argument wins on the basis of understandable sympathy for poor people who want to escape crushing poverty in their native land, primarily Mexico; it makes the conservative argument sound heartless and cruel.

But is it really? An e-mail I received this evening from Eusebia Flores at Artcamp Artesanas Campesinas in Guerrero, Mexico argues the exact opposite -- that the lure of American dollars literally subsidizes the abandonment of Mexico and families by the men who could otherwise have helped transform the destitute Mexican economy"


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Hitman203]
    #5547495 - 04/23/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anything thats advertized as "keeping them out" is always meant to keep us in...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5547511 - 04/23/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
anything thats advertized as "keeping them out" is always meant to keep us in...




More of the usual. We love you Anna. Thanks for your brilliant analysis.

Are you fearful that Mexico and Canada will suddenly start enforcing their immigration laws in retaliation and thus entomb you in your American hell?


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5547696 - 04/23/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with you 100% here, zappa


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Hitman203]
    #5547766 - 04/23/06 03:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Even Hillary thinks that a fence is a good idea.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/411104p-347791c.html

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Apart from a well-chosen warning about criminalizing Jesus, Sen. Hillary Clinton hasn't waded too deeply into the details of the immigration mess. Until now.

In an interview Friday, she cited specific goals that could, and hopefully will, become the heart of bipartisan legislation that might actually fix this national crisis.

A fence or a wall? She's for it.

A two-step process, where our borders are secured before the 11 million illegal immigrants already here begin to get legalized? She's for that, too.

The sudden crackdown by Washington on employers who hire illegal immigrants? She welcomes it.

The work and school boycott advocacy groups are planning for May 1? She's against it.

And she said she favors a "carrot-and-stick" approach with Mexico to provide that government and its "oligarchs" the incentives to give Mexicans more and better jobs in their own country.

"A country that cannot control its borders is failing at one of its fundamental obligations," she said of America's "broken system." She also said that "we do need an earned path to citizenship" for illegal immigrants here.

Because she is effectively embracing both conservative and liberal goals, and because she attaches a caveat to each, she will be accused of Clintonesque parsing and wanting it both ways. She may well be guilty, but, on the basis of two conversations with her, I'm persuaded she believes in both border security and firm, practical measures to deal with those already here.

Most important, her support for a time lag between the two steps, with border security coming first by as much as two years, could be the right mix that breaks the congressional deadlock and solves much of the immigration problem.

"I would not support it if the legislation was just for border security and we had to come back to Congress for everything else," she said. "We need to structure it as one piece of comprehensive legislation, with a staged implementation." For example, she said, the legalization process could begin "12 to 24 months" after border control measures take effect.

As for how to stem the tide of illegal immigrants, "A physical structure is obviously important," she said. "A wall in certain areas would be appropriate," as long as it was not a "dumb wall" that could be scaled or tunneled. Advocating "smart fencing," she added, "There is technology that would be in the fence that could spot people coming from 250 or 300 yards away and signal patrol agents who could respond."

She also talked of using drones and infrared cameras and, when asked, agreed that Israel's anti-terror wall, which she has seen, might help guide the U.S.

When Congress returns tomorrow from its two-week spring break, immigration will be front and center. Clinton, correctly, is suspicious of the timing of the crackdown announced by Homeland Security on Thursday. Seven managers of a Houston-based pallet supply company were arrested and more than 1,100 illegal immigrants were detained in what officials said was a start to aggressive enforcement of employer sanctions.

"It's obviously a political decision, but I welcome it," Clinton said. "We need to send a clear message to employers and anyone else who would exploit immigrants, including smugglers." Lest anyone think she's soft on President Bush, she faulted his administration for being "incompetent and all over the place" on enforcement.

Yet neither is she behind advocates who want an immigrant boycott of school, work and shopping for May 1. "To me, it's not necessary," she said.

Although she attended a New York rally where she had only praise for marchers, who included illegal immigrants, she seemed exasperated at being categorized. "I'm frustrated and I'm in an uncomfortable position," she said. "People often want to put you in an either-or category in American politics. It can be difficult to stay where you are."








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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5547906 - 04/23/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
anything thats advertized as "keeping them out" is always meant to keep us in...




More of the usual. We love you Anna. Thanks for your brilliant analysis.

Are you fearful that Mexico and Canada will suddenly start enforcing their immigration laws in retaliation and thus entomb you in your American hell?




canada and mexico already enforce such immigration laws...but if you really have found a one-way fence..then im a bit curious...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5547985 - 04/23/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't realize that so many Americans are clamering to cross the border over to Mexico illegaly.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5547997 - 04/23/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Is a "one-way fence" even possible?


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5548041 - 04/23/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ZIG seems to think so...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Redstorm]
    #5548054 - 04/23/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
Is a "one-way fence" even possible?




See Berlin Wall.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: gregorio]
    #5548062 - 04/23/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gregorio said:
I didn't realize that so many Americans are clamering to cross the border over to Mexico illegaly.




maybe not at the moment..but its no great stretch of imagination to forsee a near future when many ppl will want to leave the country but cant...thats a different thread...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5548066 - 04/23/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
anything thats advertized as "keeping them out" is always meant to keep us in...




Anna is once again channeling. She is the new Shirley Mclaine. Yep, the fence will be built to prevent Anna from escaping her own personal American hell. Bwahahahaha. All that you are is ours. Pwned, teh Suxor.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5548077 - 04/23/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
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gregorio said:
I didn't realize that so many Americans are clamering to cross the border over to Mexico illegaly.




maybe not at the moment..but its no great stretch of imagination to forsee a near future when many ppl will want to leave the country but cant...thats a different thread...




You are the best. Never change. If we didn't have you, we'd have to invent you.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5548089 - 04/23/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
anything thats advertized as "keeping them out" is always meant to keep us in...




Anna is once again channeling. She is the new Shirley Mclaine. Yep, the fence will be built to prevent Anna from escaping her own personal American hell. Bwahahahaha. All that you are is ours. Pwned, teh Suxor.




Quote:

zappaisgod said:
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Redstorm said:
Is a "one-way fence" even possible?




See Berlin Wall.




and puh-leeze dont say that the berlin wall wasnt meant to keep those ppl in...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5548521 - 04/23/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

No, I'm saying it was purely meant to keep people in. Thus it qualifies as a one-way fence, to answer Redstorm's question.

Your assertion that a fence to keep illegal immigrants out somehow is intended to keep you in is absurd. You are free to leave at any time. I personally will miss you, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Bye. It's been swell.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Hitman203]
    #5549228 - 04/23/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Good fences make good neighbors...


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: Hitman203]
    #5550185 - 04/24/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Seriously why not? put a pretty high fence or wall there. And then hire like 200 people to drive along it and make sure theres no ladders or holes or nothing. its better then nothing imo.




Because the border is a little itty-bit longer than your back yard. If we put, like 200 whole people along the fence, then we would have one person watching ten miles of fence. Most of this would be in the middle of the desert with no roads, buildings, cell towers, or phones. A fence would also do very little to stop people from climbing it, cutting through it, it or digging under it, and would be very expensive. Finally, a fence on the border is "anti-American" in principle.

Much more effective is tossing the people that hire illegals into jail for a few months. Cheap labor is not worth jail time.


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5550470 - 04/24/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Your assertion that a fence to keep illegal immigrants out somehow is intended to keep you in is absurd.  You are free to leave at any time.  I personally will miss you, but you gotta do what you gotta do.  Bye.  It's been swell.




Au contraire, I think she should leave the US and see the world
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So you been to school
For a year or two
And you know you?ve seen it all
In daddy?s car
Thinkin? you?ll go far
Back east your type don?t crawl

Play ethnicky jazz
To parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin? that you know
How the niggers feel cold
And the slums got so much soul

It?s time to taste what you most fear
Right guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear...?

It?s a holiday in cambodia
It?s tough, kid, but it?s life
It?s a holiday in cambodia
Don?t forget to pack a wife

You?re a star-belly sneech
You suck like a leach
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch
So you can get rich
But your boss gets richer off you

Well you?ll work harder
With a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers
Till you starve
Then your head is skewered on a stake

Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need, my son?...

Is a holiday in cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in cambodia
Where you?ll kiss ass or crack


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Re: Mexico Border why not put up a fence? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5550684 - 04/24/06 10:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
No, I'm saying it [the berlin wall] was purely meant to keep people in. Thus it qualifies as a one-way fence, to answer Redstorm's question.

Your assertion that a fence to keep illegal immigrants out somehow is intended to keep you in is absurd.




if the latter is true..then the berlin wall really was meant to keep ppl out too...in this case..you simply cant have it both ways...and if you were in east berlin when the wall went up..you would no doubt be promoting the soviets' claim that its to keep out spies...


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