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flavored composting
    #5546058 - 04/23/06 12:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I read somewhere once that you can compost blueberries, and plants grown with that will pick up the taste of blueberries. I was wondering what it'd take to make a compost that had pineapples,mangos, and cherries. I was thinking that those fruits were highly acidic and you'd have to nuetralize the acidity somehow.

Also, how do different strains have different tastes like pineapple and such naturally in the genetics? Are they bred in somehow? What the hell is that about? I know if you grow in a compost it'll pick up some of the elements of the flavors in the compost, but that's not at all the same.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5546445 - 04/23/06 02:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've never heard about such a thing, it sounds pretty neat!

Of course I'd probably rather whip up a batch of artificial flavoring and inject it into the plant :tongue:


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Konnrade]
    #5546663 - 04/23/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You could just root feed it some water with artificial flavoring in it a few days before you cut it down, but then it's gonna taste like artificial flavoring, not the subtle essence of the real fruit.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5547602 - 04/23/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've just smoked the first sample of my Hashberry (Hashplant x Blueberry) weed plant, and it really does taste like blueberrys!! Especialy the after taste. Not sure how its bred to taste that way, but its lovely. Taste in my mouth is like I ate a blueberry muffin a few minutes ago. Plus the slightly piney taste of the hashplant genes.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: DrJ]
    #5548191 - 04/23/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't think that they breed it to taste like blueberry from the start, or else we would have watermelon/strawberry flavored buds and such. I think that they noticed subtle hints of the flavor and bred plants that best exhibited this flavor in order to get a stabalized flavored bud that happened to be flavored like blueberry.
My assumption, please correct me if I am totally wrong.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: whatever123]
    #5548278 - 04/23/06 05:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

pretty much spot on W123. The first breeders liked the taste of a certain plant they grew so they bred it and isolated the tasty gene.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: whatever123]
    #5548307 - 04/23/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Plants are a product of the habitat, they take in things grown its environment.
Thats why wine has such a variation from location to location. Same thing with cheeses and the fungi that cure and age the cheese, each strain of fungi from cave to cave is virtually the same but has embodied certain characteristics of the land.

So though i am skeptic of the blueberry compost, in essence i see that maybe certain chemicals and elements found only in blue berries maybe synthesized into the plant.

But then again they wouldn't be passed onto further generations grown in different locations with different media.

Blueberry bud and blue moonshine exhibit the flavor where ever and in what ever they are grown.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5548439 - 04/23/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

...Now I want watermelong or strawberry bud!

We need our top cannabis scientists to develop marijuana strains that taste like watermelon, strawberry, bananna, apple.....all the fun fruits!


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Re: flavored composting [Re: whatever123]
    #5548484 - 04/23/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Or you could just add some artificial flavoring, you know.

I don't know if those flavorings stand up to heat well enough to be smoked, but if they can, you can flavor your bud however you like :grin:

Those flavorings are easy to synthesize, too. Hell, I need to go dig up the chemistry info on that. I made the stuff in high school, I might as well whip up a batch in the home lab.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5548505 - 04/23/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

selective breeding is key, id just find seeds with the genetics u want.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: SubGen1us]
    #5548617 - 04/23/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Selective breeding is one way, but with it you are sort of limited on flavors, or how much you can get the smoke to resemble the flavor you want. With blueberry, people probably thought "hey, this tastes a lot like blueberry, as does this plant" and bred them until they came up with a blueberry plant. The problem is that you are limited to the tastes that you find, not the tastes that you want. It would be cool if somehow someone could engineer a strain whose bud tasted strongly like kiwi or something, or whatever flavor the person desired.
I am not sure if the way I am saying this is too vague, but do you get what I mean?


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Re: flavored composting [Re: SubGen1us]
    #5548622 - 04/23/06 06:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder if they set out to create a blueberry taste? I bet it was by accident though.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: DrJ]
    #5548635 - 04/23/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Probably not accident, but they just noticed that certain plants tasted blueberry-ish, so they bred them to get a plant where the blueberry was very distinct.
Of course, they very well may have created the inital plant that tasted blueberry-ish without intending to.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: DrJ]
    #5548817 - 04/23/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The story of the creation of blueberry has been documented i think DJShort was the creator.

He then goes on to describe the floral notes and classifications of tastes and scents cannabis exhibit. Then tells how to select plants based on the traits you note.

They noted in a plants offspring the notes of berry, they then bred it with its parents, selecting offspring that had the same scents. They then bred it until it was a stable strain.

With a strict scientific guidline of selecting what you want and the room to grow 100+ plants at a time you could create what ever you set out to.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5549232 - 04/23/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

im not sure about artificial flavoring.... does that mean add blueberry juice to water when irrigating? does this work?? im excited, i must say!


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Re: flavored composting [Re: impgl]
    #5549267 - 04/23/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

All I know is that food coloring sure didn't work!


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Re: flavored composting [Re: AKSE]
    #5549316 - 04/23/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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All I know is that food coloring sure didn't work!





haha, get some red buds, blue buds, orange buds......That would be cool.
Multicolored buds.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5549349 - 04/23/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but mendelevian genetics is a real pain in the ass. Selective botanical breeding is not something that everyone has the patience for. It's an involved process and you have to wait for each generation to reach maturity before you can move on to the next step.

For most people who breed their own strains, it's a labor of love. They have the incentive to put up with it.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Konnrade]
    #5549416 - 04/23/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well cannabis breeding isn't for everyone. Thats why breeders do most of the work. Thats also why the selection of varieties is limited to what each breeder can handle.

as for the smaller breeder they just don't have the space or education to make all the proper selections of phenotypes to be able to totally isolate and enhance certain traits.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5549811 - 04/24/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Not to metion the time involved.
Over a year at least. And thats if you get it right first time.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: DrJ]
    #5549934 - 04/24/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So......any way we can use chems and genetic engineering to speed the process up....without spending 50 grand per strain?


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Re: flavored composting [Re: whatever123]
    #5550018 - 04/24/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well you could indeed use genetic engineering, but only $50,000 to do that would be one hell of a bargain :smirk:

I don't see how using chems would do it, either. You could use chemicals to induce genetic mutations and see if something good develops... but everything still winds up taking a long time to breed selectively. And then there's the risk of other unseen mutations that weren't desired. Not to mention the fact that the kind of chemicals needed to make things mutate also make the end product hazardous and unfit for human consumption... that is unless the human wants mutations too.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Konnrade]
    #5550464 - 04/24/06 08:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah my assumption in my first post that theoreticaly certain ellements and essential oils from the blueberry compost may infact enhance certain floral notes in the bud is just theory.


As for selective breeding yeah that shit takes time! But any one can make their own crosses


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5550525 - 04/24/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Growing pot in "blueberry compost" will not make the pot taste like blueberries, or anything else for that matter. They sell tobacco flavoring online that you can spray on tobacco, I would assume it works for buds too. But cannabis isn't going to "drink up" some blueberry juice or apple juice, or cherry juice etc etc....... and taste like blueberry,apple, etc etc.... it just simply does NOT work like that.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Taskenti]
    #5550571 - 04/24/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I just thought it could be possible with certain compounds in the compost to enhance certain flavours.
Not saying watering with juice, i just think the composted fruit might add certain compounds that could be used in the plants to enhace certain things.

Like i said with the wine countries of the world, the different climates and soil compositions make a huge variety of flavours in the wines made of the soil.
As i also said herb is going to take in what ever its habbitat is made of.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Taskenti]
    #5551237 - 04/24/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Growing pot in "blueberry compost" will not make the pot taste like blueberries, or anything else for that matter. They sell tobacco flavoring online that you can spray on tobacco, I would assume it works for buds too. But cannabis isn't going to "drink up" some blueberry juice or apple juice, or cherry juice etc etc....... and taste like blueberry,apple, etc etc.... it just simply does NOT work like that.


Yeah it should man, root feed your plants with some artificial flavoring, it'll taste like it. So, I dont see why natural flavors wouldn't work


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5551275 - 04/24/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry folks won't work. The plant won't process what it doesn't see as food. Like the way you can't get colored plants with food coloring. The only thing the plants will get is a little carbo boost from the sugars in whatever you use.
Wanna give it a fast test? cut off a bud with a little branch on it and put the cut end in a cup of juice or whatever. I've seen male flowers cut a few days before opening and put the cut end in water so they can live a few more days and open in another area so pollen can be collected away from other plants.  :wink:


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5551427 - 04/24/06 03:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Growing pot in "blueberry compost" will not make the pot taste like blueberries, or anything else for that matter. They sell tobacco flavoring online that you can spray on tobacco, I would assume it works for buds too. But cannabis isn't going to "drink up" some blueberry juice or apple juice, or cherry juice etc etc....... and taste like blueberry,apple, etc etc.... it just simply does NOT work like that.


Yeah it should man, root feed your plants with some artificial flavoring, it'll taste like it. So, I dont see why natural flavors wouldn't work




you cant root feed your plant something to flavor it! I believed you could when I was like 13, but now I am a little more educated then that. But just a little more :wink:


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Magash]
    #5551448 - 04/24/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have seen plants which were cut and placed in water with food coloring. As the plant drew up the water, it also drew in food coloring. Of course, that was because the plant was cut at the absorbing tip. I don't know if it works through a root system.

My biology knowledge is pretty weak, but I know that the way plants take up moisture is not sophisticated or selective. They merely exploit capillary action and osmosis... both of which are natural forces. The plant is entirely passive in how it "drinks" from the soil. So, I would think that it's possible for chemicals to be taken in with the water, as long as the water is not hypertonic compared to the plant.

The plant won't process chemicals that it has no use for, but I doubt that means they can't absorb them passively.

Soil type can affect the flavor of vegetables, after all. Part of that is no doubt due to nutritional reasons, but I don't doubt that some of it is due to what else the plant absorbs from the soil.

Of course, were I trying to give a plant some flavor, I would just inject the damn flavor into the live plant.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Konnrade]
    #5551479 - 04/24/06 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna go  outside and water my tomato plant with some pineapple juice. I wonder if my tomatoes will taste like pineapples?!?!? :shocked: Sound logical? Come on now.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Taskenti]
    #5552456 - 04/24/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They way you say it just makes it sound stupid for your benefit.......

We know that plants actual absorb 100's of trace elements. If certain elements are only found in certain fruits threw that plants synthesis then who is to say that another plant cant already synthesis that synthesized chemical?

I guess you can say i disagree. But you take it to an extreme measure to prove your point that its far out. It is far out! But i am still stead fast in my own beliefs that a plant is a product of its environment and can embody the flavor of the earth it grows upon.

Hence the chemy taste of hydro and the earthy tastes of organics.........


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5552666 - 04/24/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thats because sugars and whatnot are produced differently in different areas/soils, because of different nutrient levels and whatnot. And I didnt say it to make it "sound stupid for my benefit" I said it how it is! Water your plants with pineapple juice or grow it in blueberry compost. The only thing that will be affected is the nutrients/sugars the plant gets/processes. So if I grew my weed in horse shit, would I grow shit weed that taste like shit? No. If I grew weed in blueberry compost would it taste like blueberry? Yeah, if it had that in its genes.
You are saying just what I said in the previous post. If I water my tomato plants or grow them in some blueberry compost, my tomatoes will taste like blueberries. They simply will NOT.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Taskenti]
    #5552702 - 04/24/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i agree with you on many points.

I dont see it on your level totaly. I dont agree that blueberry compost makes blueberry weed, but i could see it hypotheticaly adding certain atributes.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5552724 - 04/24/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, but the original poster is saying that you can basically flavor your weed by what you grow it in. You simply can NOT do that. you can make certain tastes or smells more noticeable, but you simply CAN'T do what he is suggesting. At all.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Taskenti]
    #5552790 - 04/24/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok i agree! I guess i just got swayed of course a little


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5552861 - 04/24/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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    #5553489 - 04/25/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sorry folks.


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Re: flavored composting [Re: Anonymous]
    #5554319 - 04/25/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that would be a good experiment


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Re: flavored composting [Re: GoFsum1]
    #5554379 - 04/25/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

We just went over all this. NO it would NOT! It would be a waste of time.


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