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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5562539 - 04/27/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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he is close to breaking babe ruth's HR record...this is a discussion about barry bonds, no?
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5562689 - 04/27/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What happened on the field still happened, regardless of why it happened.
Seems like others felt the same way, since Giants road attendance was consistently the highest in the league.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5562968 - 04/27/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Drugs are bad kids!
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5563305 - 04/27/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah redstorm, and bi0.. you guys are right.. i more meant.. why was the media/ MLB focus on bonds only.. not the discussion in here..
were steriods even around in the days of Hank Aaron and Babe Ruth? sorry if thats a stupid question
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5563344 - 04/27/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's well known that Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, and others took amphetamines. And many players still do, and reportedly they're more commonly used than steroids were. Steroids have been around since WW2, and we'll never know if Mays or Aaron or any of those players used, no better than we'll ever know who used in the last 15 years.
Steroids were not around in the days of Ruth, although alcohol was illegal and he got supplies and drank heavily despite the law. Balls that bounced over the fence back in Ruth's day were also considered home runs, whereas today they are called doubles.
What happens on the field happens on the field. If MLB disproved of something that was going on, it was their job to do something about it at the time and not be a bunch of cry-babies years later when a media-hated and less marketable player like Barry Bonds made the big acheivements and not the media-friendly and marketable Ken Griffey Jr, who looked like the guy to do all this before he started hitting the injury bug.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5563363 - 04/27/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i knew about the whole amphetamine thing.. i just think the MLB has taken the right steps.. by banning steriods.. i think its clear that Bonds has stopped taking steriods..
I guess my major problem is.. sure bonds and others have cheated.. but on that same note.. Hank Aaron and other greats probably cheated also.. just because it happened a long time ago.. people seem to just give them a free pass..
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5563512 - 04/27/06 04:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Free pass? What the fuck. Is any singular achievement open to groundless suspicion by you? No one has ever, to my knowledge, alleged that Aaron did anything against the rules to enhance his performance. And if you don't think he was one of the most heavily scrutinized players ever you are just crazy. To have a, horrors, nigger eclipsing Ruth was just way too much for a lot of people.
As far as the rule on ground rule doubles, it was changed in '31 so a significant number of Ruth's taters occurred while that was the rule. I don't know how many of his homers were of that nature but you can probably extrapolate from today's ratio of homers to ground rule doubles, which is pretty high. The truly astonishing thing about Ruth, though, is that he outhomered whole teams. You can only be judged in the era in which you perform and I have to say that to this day there has never been a player who rose above the rest like Ruth did. The only equivalent I can come up with in any sport is Gretzky and even he doesn't really come that close.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: zappaisgod]
#5563536 - 04/27/06 04:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah i have never claimed im very intelligent about baseball.. because im not.. i was responding to a previous posts that said that hank aaron was known for amphetamine use.. and free pass? people booing him because he was a nigger doesnt mean that he was interigated by the media and made to look like a criminal
as for ruth.. really all i know about him, is how great of a player he was.. nothing more
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5563874 - 04/27/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The Ruth thing was for ShroomRunner. The Aaron point was that there were lots and lots of people who were quite eager to get something on him. They couldn't.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: zappaisgod]
#5564351 - 04/27/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah but really wasnt aaron's amphetamine use cheating too. i know it wasnt against MLB rules at the time, but did it not give him an unfair advantage?
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5567255 - 04/28/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There is no evidence whatsoever that Aaron used amphetamines. The only way anybody ever ties Aaron to amphetamine use is by saying, "Everybody did it then so he must have been too." Two things. 1. That proves nothing related to Aaron's alleged use. 2. If everybody is doing it where is the edge?
Really, you'd think they would have come up with something more than innuendo by now.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: zappaisgod]
#5568100 - 04/28/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok i guess.. as someone who hasnt been around the game of baseball for very long.. i feel like the whole game of baseball is filled with cheaters, inequality (that whole salary cap deal), and just isnt nearly as organized or respected as other sports
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5568176 - 04/28/06 07:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I believe that it is incorrect to think that there is more cheating in baseball than in either the other big sports here plus soccer plus cycling plus whatever weird sport anybody else has. I think the percentage of people willing to cheat is pretty consistent across all sports.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: zappaisgod]
#5568194 - 04/28/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont think so at all.. soccer, there is rarely problems with those guys.. football, occasional problem.. you have more arrest issues with football players, but then again.. ur dealing with 30+ teams which have 50+ players on each team.. ur bound to have some problems there..
no sport has as big of a drug problem as baseball.. probably because baseball is the only sport where steriods can have THAT huge of an impact.. but then again this is only my opinion
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5568307 - 04/28/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No nonono no. Steroids can have the greatest effect in football and cycling and have been huge scandals in both sports. Soccer too, although we don't hear about it much here.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5569889 - 04/29/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
OHSBrave06 said: i dont think so at all.. soccer, there is rarely problems with those guys.. football, occasional problem.. you have more arrest issues with football players, but then again.. ur dealing with 30+ teams which have 50+ players on each team.. ur bound to have some problems there..
no sport has as big of a drug problem as baseball.. probably because baseball is the only sport where steriods can have THAT huge of an impact.. but then again this is only my opinion
umm, did you just pull that out of your ass? Havent you noticed the huge anti-doping movement in, say, the olympics? last I check the olympics featured a huge variety of sports - all of which have had troubles with doping or have the potential to.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5569918 - 04/29/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah i didnt even think about the olympics.. but ur def right.. i was more thinking of team sports in the united states.. i think in individual sports there is a lot more risk and its more appealing to people to want to use them.. u dont see as much with the olympic team sports thou
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5570351 - 04/29/06 01:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, now that he's heated up he's 1st in baseball in OBP but also 18th best in the league in OPS, so it's reasonable to say he's been the 1th best offensive player so far this year. Not so shabby anymore.
And here are his comments yesterday about teammates Alou and Finley.
"He (alou) doesn't need me and I don't need him," Bonds said. "We're both good ballplayers. He's always going to do a job, regardless, whether I'm there or not."
Alou will get that chance Saturday. He'll remain in right field with Bonds out of the starting lineup in lieu of center fielder Steve Finley. Randy Winn will shift over to replace Bonds in left field.
"That's why we got Steve over here," Bonds said about the veteran player who was obtained this past offseason from the Los Angeles Angels for third baseman Edgardo Alfonzo. "He's a good player and a great teammate. He needs to be in the game as much as I do. Right now, everything is working out good. I'm not sitting a long time and he's not sitting a long time. It's great."
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5571120 - 04/29/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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hmm maybe u got the impression that i dont like bonds.. but i actually do.. i think hes a good player.. i dont know much about his personality but i dont dislike him 1 bit
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5571324 - 04/29/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bonds knows how good he is and has ultra confidence He doesnt wanna sit on the sidelines this year I expect a great year from him Im waiting to see what Oswalt is gonna throw to him this year Dont forget that Nolan and Roger have been teaching Oswalt for a few years now
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