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Bonds finally goes deep
#5545132 - 04/22/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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well Barry Bonds finally hit his first homerun of the season.. is it just me or is this guy wayy over hyped.. i mean.. statistically speaking he has got to be one of the worst OF in the league right now.. i mean i know hes not really healthy but still..
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5546838 - 04/23/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kicking steroids is a bitch id imagine
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: OldSpice]
#5547165 - 04/23/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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idk i like bonds.. hes met every drug test thrown at him.. what happened to innocent until proven guilty? is this not america?
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Banez]
#5547343 - 04/23/06 12:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you havent followed baseball very long, right?
MLB didnt start testing until 2004 well after bonds produced the records he is known for. And as soon as they start testing, he is incredibly injury-prone - a major drawback to using steroids is when you quit, you are easily injured. Bonds did use steroids; he just said he used them unknowingly. Also, bonds has reportedly used human growth hormone which cannot be tested for.
I doubt he is still using today - which could explain how terrible he is now.
You also missed how f'ing large bonds got in in the late 90s - out of nowhere.
oh, and fuck barry bonds - he's a princess and a club-house cancer that contributed to giving baseball a bad name.
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Juice is gonna getcha [Re: Banez]
#5547390 - 04/23/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Barry Bonds Rookie Card
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5547396 - 04/23/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know a few guys who played ball in the minor leagues that through friends who went on to play got to meet him. They said he is the biggest fucking asshole you'd ever meet.
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he's a faggot
screw the "asterisk era" kick them out and make their records null & void
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I believe that. I've read reports of how unfriendly he is to his own teammates and managers. he's a primadonna and a cheater.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5547984 - 04/23/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow i guess just from not following baseball for very long, i kinda got the impression that he was a nice guy.. idk how.. it just seems like in his interviews and stuff he seems more of a victim of all this media frenzy
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5547994 - 04/23/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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He's old and close to retirement. Let the poor guy go out with some dignity. Steroids or not he is one of the key players in baseball history.
and thats all coming from a ASTROS fan!!!!!!!
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I have zero respect for cheaters - close to retirement or not.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5549553 - 04/23/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cheating means breaking the rules. Baseball wasn't testing, so Bonds broke no rules.
He hasn't failed a test since they started testing.
Many others were on steroids, and he was hitting off many pitchers who used steroids.
As for him not being valuable, well, despite his lack of hitting, he's still 3rd in MLB in on base %, which is far more relevant than batting average.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/leag...mit&timeFrame=1
He is still a very feared hitter, and getting so many walks is quite valuable to his team.
If he just wanted the home run record, he could've had it easily by taking less walks. He could've asked for a trade to an AL team where he could've DH'ed. He could've broken the record years ago, but he still takes those walks more than any player ever has.
Regardless of what the media paints up, his teammates seem to defend him, and they seem to like him. Sweeney, Finley, and others talk about him being a friend. And as a Giants fan, he seems to do everything he can to help the team. He's no saint I'm sure, but that isn't the point.
I use drugs. I smoke pot, I take mushrooms, sometimes I use caffeine for some extra energy. If a adult man wants to be the greatest baseball player he can possibly be, I kind of wonder why it should be such a big deal what he chooses to put in his body.
Steroids or no steroids, Bonds 2001-2004 is the most dominant and greatest hitter baseball has ever seen, and perhaps with steroid testing now in place, perhaps no player will ever come close to being as good as he was. I enjoyed watching my favourite sport be mastered to the level he took it, regardless of the method.
Most of my favourite musicians drew inspiration or creativity from drug use, how is that so different.
In the business of fame and fortune, until you make the rules (testing for steroids), I think you might as well expect the players to do everything they can. They can still take amphetamines, and many chew tobacco, which actually could be considered a performance enhancer, as nicotine aids concentration and focus.
There's more ways of viewing this if you open your eyes a bit.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5550296 - 04/24/06 06:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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bi0 said: I believe that. I've read reports of how unfriendly he is to his own teammates and managers. he's a primadonna and a cheater.
yeah, in the locker room, he has to have a recliner in his locker while all the rest of the Giants just have normal chairs. he's got all kinds of special priveledges that are given only to him. in my opinion, that hurts the team mentality a lot.
i think in the end, Pujols is going to be a better hitter than bonds 2001-2004. he's a freak
i dont think his records should be wiped, because nobody knows who was using and who wasn't. is baseball going to investigate every allegation against a player and recall their records? it wouldnt be fair to do it to just barry bonds because he was the best.
i believe he will break babe ruths record this year and call it quits before he breaks hank aarons.
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Habitual_Liar said: Steroids or not he is one of the key players in baseball history.
I am calling bullshit. Barry bonds is a cheater that does not deserve the hall of fame and he is for sure not a key player in baseball history. When I think of baseball I think of Cobb, Cy young , Reggie Jackson, Ted Williams, Pete Rose. Bonds never even enters my mind.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5551977 - 04/24/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cheating means breaking the rules. Baseball wasn't testing, so Bonds broke no rules.
Wrong.
MLB bans any controlled substance including steroids - a rule that dates back to 1991. link
In 2004, MLB only updated their testing procedure and punishment.
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He hasn't failed a test since they started testing.
HGH cannot be tested for.
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I use drugs. I smoke pot, I take mushrooms, sometimes I use caffeine for some extra energy. If a adult man wants to be the greatest baseball player he can possibly be, I kind of wonder why it should be such a big deal what he chooses to put in his body.
Using performance-enhancing drugs illegally to gain an unfair advantage over other players is cheating. Baseball does not mean shit if there are people cheating while others are honest and respect the rules and the game. That is why it is a big deal.
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Steroids or no steroids, Bonds 2001-2004 is the most dominant and greatest hitter baseball has ever seen, and perhaps with steroid testing now in place, perhaps no player will ever come close to being as good as he was. I enjoyed watching my favourite sport be mastered to the level he took it, regardless of the method.
So, you're cool with cheating? I guess you'd also be cool with doctored balls, throwing games, and umpire conspiracy. Whats the point of watching and playing a game that is fake? I guess you're more interested in seeing your team win than play fairly.
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Most of my favourite musicians drew inspiration or creativity from drug use, how is that so different.
There are no rules against using drugs in music. Apples and oranges.
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There's more ways of viewing this if you open your eyes a bit.
My eyes are wide open and I see, along with nearly everyone else, that Bonds is a cheater and his records dont mean shit.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5552111 - 04/24/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I couldn't agree more.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: Vvellum]
#5552146 - 04/24/06 07:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sorry Shroomery uses a quoting style I haven't encountered before.
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bi0 said: Wrong.
MLB bans any controlled substance including steroids - a rule that dates back to 1991. link
In 2004, MLB only updated their testing procedure and punishment.
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Not testing means they pretty much didn't have the rule. For all we know every player could've been using, and most of the failed tests have been pitchers anyways. So he was hitting off steroided pitchers. And he still hasn't failed a test.
And since HGH can't be tested for, I guess we should just assume every other player is guilty of that too. That seems to be your system.
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So, you're cool with cheating? I guess you'd also be cool with doctored balls, throwing games, and umpire conspiracy. Whats the point of watching and playing a game that is fake? I guess you're more interested in seeing your team win than play fairly.
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If a guy does steroids and runs the 100m in under 9 seconds (world record is 9.78 I believe so that would be ridiculous), I would still have seen a man run at such a crazy speed, and it would still be an amazing thing to watch. Steroids or no steroids, it would look the same.
Are you saying that if there was a rule against musicians using drugs that the Beatles or Nirvana or the Doors or the Eagles or whoever it is you like listening to would no longer sound good? If they broke rules, the music wouldn't be good anymore?
Whether he broke the rules or not, he still hit better than anyone else has ever hit, and it was amazing to watch. I don't see why my favourite songs would all of a sudden sound bad if the writers had broken rules in their lifestyle (and the drugs they use are illegal, so they are breaking rules anyways).
I can choose to have less respect for the man because he used steroids (although I choose to believe in innocent until proven guilty and I also believe it's MLB's fault for not enforcing the rule), but the skill he had at the plate those 4 years is unmatched.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5552197 - 04/24/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The difference is that there is no proven research that drugs make you a better musician, while there is plenty of data that steroids and the link will give you an advantage in sports. It's not fair to the other players who are clean. To keep up with cheaters, they have to use prohibited drugs which are unhealthy. The clean players should not have to do that.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5552241 - 04/24/06 07:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, he's saying that comparing drug use in music and performance enhancing drugs in sports is comparing apples and oranges... It's not the same.
I think a good question that you should be asking is what's the difference between supplementing protein or using creatine compared to using steroids? A good answer would be the health risks involved... it's not fair to those who choose not to use steroids and sacrifice their health. So what if there were no consequences to health? It probably wouldn't be an issue.
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Re: Bonds finally goes deep [Re: ShroomRunner]
#5552407 - 04/24/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not testing means they pretty much didn't have the rule.
No. Controlled substances like steroids are banned and against the MLB rules. MLB was lax on testing, yes, but it was still against the rules - thus cheating.
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And since HGH can't be tested for, I guess we should just assume every other player is guilty of that too. That seems to be your system.
There is ample evidence (so much so that Bonds might be indicted) that he used HGH. Look into the Balco scandal.
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Are you saying that if there was a rule against musicians using drugs that the Beatles or Nirvana or the Doors or the Eagles or whoever it is you like listening to would no longer sound good? If they broke rules, the music wouldn't be good anymore?
If musicians such as these joined an association that specifically banned psychoactive substances, they would be "cheaters" so to speak as well. Quality of their music would be irrelevent - they'd be cheating.
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Whether he broke the rules or not, he still hit better than anyone else has ever hit, and it was amazing to watch.
And if every player used HGH and steroids, I doubt he'd be as great as he has been. The playing field would be level and he would probably be average.
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I can choose to have less respect for the man because he used steroids (although I choose to believe in innocent until proven guilty and I also believe it's MLB's fault for not enforcing the rule), but the skill he had at the plate those 4 years is unmatched.
Yes, MLB has been to blame for their lax testing (and still is, perhaps). His skill has been unmatched largely for his steroid useage.
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