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Re: Being Wrong [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5567622 - 04/28/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Justice
the administration of law; especially : the establishment or determination of rights according to the rules of law or equity.

Moral
of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior.




As I understand it, our laws are (ideally) written with concern for establishing some baseline of community moral or ethical standards. However, the laws are the same for everyone, whereas the moral codes and ethical standards vary between sub-groups in the community. (As well as between individuals within those sub-groups.)

I am referring to morality in the religious sense, as opposed to the dictionary definition which has it as a synonym for ethics. Usually those who propose moral standards intend for their religious tenets to be applied. At least in theory, the U.S. is a secularist nation, and legally amoral.

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Secularism may also be defined as the idea that religion should not interfere with or be integrated into the public affairs of a society.

Secularism can also be the social ideology in which religion and supernatural beliefs are not seen as the key to understanding the world and are instead segregated from matters of governance and reasoning.

When applied to society, secularism is considered to be any of a range of situations where a society less automatically assumes religious beliefs to be either widely shared or a basis for conflict in various forms, than in recent generations of the same society.




We are obligated to be fair by the agreements our country was founded upon, by the basic recognition of human rights, by our individual desire to be treated with the same fairness by others, by any number of things besides G-O-D.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5567817 - 04/28/06 06:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Usually those who propose moral standards intend for their religious tenets to be applied. At least in theory, the U.S. is a secularist nation, and legally amoral.

More theory than practice, unfortunately. *

Not far up the road from me (Florida) is a county that is dry on Sundays. :shake:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Diploid]
    #5568301 - 04/28/06 08:13 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, that would be an example of how the U.S. is not secularist in practice. :grin:


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5568334 - 04/28/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Eh, it's this dam marijuana. It's making me transpose concepts and laugh at pretty much everything. There must be something wrong with it.

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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Diploid]
    #5568337 - 04/28/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'll take it off your hands, man.  :cool:


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5568384 - 04/28/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes, you are right, as most religions seem to be corrupted. That is why Jesus didn't want the founding of churches, but everyone should follow his deeds. When religions are corrupted, they lose their spirituality. Even in the books of the church, there is a warning sometimes, that even the people of church make 'mistakes'.
I don't know if it is possible to purify each heart so they could see the very best for every human, which relates to ones own happiness.
Perhaps I am speaking of an idealistic religion, which has still be to be founded, but on the other hand, those existing religions were founded out of this intention and have corrupted over the time.
I just don't want to see the outcoming corrupted religions as that what they are 'invented' for.
So, choose the religion, which fits best to you and find out the source of it then throw away its timely and socio-cultural corruption and you should see, from what I speak of :wink:


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