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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546499 - 04/23/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Also, I have no qualms about calling someone a nigger. Frankly, If I yell out the word, and you respond to it, apparently, you think you are a nigger.
A racist lies within all of us, it is human nature. Stereotypes stay alive because there is some truth to them.

To quote one of my good friends "You don't have the right to not be offended".


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546503 - 04/23/06 03:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mate, I never said anything like that. You are putting words into my mouth that I never said. Take it easy!! Only thing I said was this:

Your statement is valid from your point of view only though and using your current mind. If you take into account an improved mind, more dimensions perhaps, you may end up at a different statement.

You say you disagree and then you say the same thing with different words!


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5546543 - 04/23/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

more dimensions? get over yourself. You have no basis or solid ground for this argument.
nothing that you have said so far makes any sense, logical or illogical, and belive me, I can traverse into both.
The only reason I have become redundant in my statements is because you dont seem to get it, so I feel obliged to compound those communications to statements which are easily grasped by 4 year olds.

Sorry to be an asshole on this, but you have yet to say anything which has any substance outside of your own illusory reality.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546599 - 04/23/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I am sorry that you are not into physics, but because I am, I will tell you that scientists have already discovered that 11 more dimensions exist. Also, can you try to be a little more polite, you are only reflecting yourself in these things you say.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5546612 - 04/23/06 03:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL, one viewing of "the elgant universe" and you claim to be a physics major.....wow.

Look, String THEORY isnt a fact, and while it is a great topic to ponder while immensly baked, anyone who has delved into the theory beyond watching a PBS special would know that the 11 dimensions were created mainly to make the anomalies and equations work. Also, until a year ago, there were about 6 different string theories, ranging from 8 to 23 dimensions.

So, please, save your pseudo-intellectual "deepness" for someone else. you dont have some highly advanced concept of reality, and you are not thinking in these 11 dimensions. Also, nothing has yet to be proven regarding string theory, even inside of the parameters I have explained, which are still lacking proof outside of our perception.

i am truly sorry that you tried to play the Quantum Mechanics card on someone who is very "into physics", and your PBS grasp on the subject, along with a sophomoric defense regarding the current topic has yet to help you in any way.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546649 - 04/23/06 04:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Pffffft. I didn't try to play any card, as I don't do that, you probably, not me. I didn't claim I have a major in physics and I didn't analyse it because it was not necessary nor did I say it was a fact. My point lies in my first reply. Don't get it? Fine. Trying to insult and lower me shows something about your character. Think of that instead.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5546659 - 04/23/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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I am sorry that you are not into physics, but because I am, I will tell you that scientists have already discovered that 11 more dimensions exist. Also, can you try to be a little more polite, you are only reflecting yourself in these things you say.




Isaac Newton discovered gravity.
nikola Tesla discovered three phase A/C current.

Discovery means that someone has found something which has already existed, yet was unknown or unaware to the collective human knowledge. i dont want to derail this thread into semantics, but you claimed that Scientists discovered 11 dimensions, as if they had been lying there all this time escaping our observation. this is not the case. 11 dimensional string theory exists only because it was needed to make it a sound theory, and not just some quacked out, illogical idea. in fact, a summit of all the leading "String Theorists" is what lead to the final agreement and equation of 11 dimensions, and the other theorietical physicists that had alternate theories had agreed to forego and dissolve thier theories in favor of the 11 dimensional one in order to give String Theory more plausibility.

Also, it is no surprise to anyone here that I am an asshole, it is my character. I have no problem being nor playing the asshole when needed. If shaky ad hominems and character assasinations is all you can bring to the table then I suggest you invest in some books or a proper education before touching your keyboard in ignorant dissent again.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546692 - 04/23/06 05:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If that's all you have to suggest keep it for yourself. I did indeed used the word discovery wrongly but as many people here do, you missed the point. I've had my good share of proper education but I really doubt that you have. How about sticking to the point for once?


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5546700 - 04/23/06 05:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sticking to the point....? you mean like bringing up 11 supposed dimensions of reality in a discussion regarding the validation of right and wrong?

Many posts ago I made a very valid point which was on topic, which has yet to even be properly addressed by your or anyone else (given that it is 5 am, I find this normal).
the only reason why I might have "missed your point" is because you have none, and continue to blather on in circles trying to wriggle your way out of the mess which you have created and I have pointed out.
Your obvious need for some sort of intellectual validation has brought you too far, much like a poker bluff where the bluffer has invested far too many chips in the lie and can only forge ahead in hopes that deeper bullshitting can possibly save their ass.

Case in point: i am correct, your are incorrect.... however, neither of us are universally wrong nor right, because it is merely a perceived and subjective vantage point which one identifies themselves as being. The beauty of human capacity and potential allows for us to assume righteousness on a certain subject at a certain time, and upon past reflection of said subject and stance, one can find themselves diametrically opposed to their previous stance.
Take this subject for example: you consider me to be completely wrong in this matter, while at some point you may realize my correctness on this matter and find yourself in self-correcting paradox - being wrong about the nature of being wrong.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546741 - 04/23/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My belief is that everything you say about my character mirrors yourself. My sayings have been validated more than once, and not from shroomery members but from engineering professors.

I don't need your validation.
You missed the point.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5546817 - 04/23/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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There is no wrong or right. Not to try to sound all guru-like, but they are illusory.

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When people are just plain wrong it annoys me, especially when you can't make them see that.




this is quite possibly the most self-absorbed comment I have seen on these boards.

Things just are, and once you start acting and affecting things in your environment based on that ideology, instead of acting on the learned/made-up morals and ethics of yourself you will see that you act only in the present.





You misunderstand my intentions psilo.

Morality is human nature. When it comes to something like racism, I think there clearly is a right and a wrong by MORAL STANDARDS. As for the "most self-obsessed comment", I think you misunderstood. Maybe on purpose. I'm a reasonable man psilo, I'm not gonna judge someone unreasonably but I'm not gonna be as arsey as to say there is no wrong and right. Being human comes with morals that are both part of being human, and part of your "envornment"/"reality" etc and to deny them is just stupidity. Try to defend racism (directly or indirectly) on grounds of there being no right and wrong is plain....em, wrong.

IE: I accept that by philosphical arguments you can question the fact that there is right and wrong, but with a debate like racism, isnt that philosophy gone mental?Up its own arse?


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: mr_kite]
    #5546830 - 04/23/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Being human comes with morals that are both part of being human, and part of your "envornment"/"reality" etc and to deny them is just stupidity.




Incorrect. Being human comes with a body and an awareness. Everything else is learned/programmed/culturally induced.

Morality is not part of the equipment. It is constructed by each culture, and varies widely depending upon the values of said cultures. What is considered moral or immoral also changes with time, as each generation forms new ideas about "right" and "wrong."

A Bible-based morality does not work for the billions who are NOT Christian, so let's not even get into that discussion.

As morality is fluid, changeable, and subjective, it is impossible to state that a universal "right" and "wrong" exist.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5547101 - 04/23/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think we would have to go beyond the big bang to see if there is some universal morality. But I think for an earth-morality our means could be quite enough :wink:


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5547197 - 04/23/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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As morality is fluid, changeable, and subjective, it is impossible to state that a universal "right" and "wrong" exist.




OK, maybe morals was the wrong word/idea. But regardless of changing morality, I would say there is some underlying instinctive feeling of right and wrong. Humanity; what it is to be human. If you just say body and consciousness, consciousness is quite a vague definition (ie animals have consciousness) and you're maybe not fully acknowledging the spiritual aspect.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5547233 - 04/23/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, I have no qualms about calling someone a nigger. Frankly, If I yell out the word, and you respond to it, apparently, you think you are a nigger.




:thumbdown: I know you're not really an asshole but that makes you sound like one. Can you not see why? Learn some respect, or at least social awareness, I used to use that argument calling people "jobby" in the playground when I was 5. "You answered so it must be true!" That's pretty childish for someone of your intellect.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: mr_kite]
    #5547262 - 04/23/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

When I said "awareness," I was referring to the spirit within the body. Our awareness is that which is immortal, which I believe chooses or is chosen for embodiment in order to experience the material aspects of existence.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5547266 - 04/23/06 12:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

"There is no wrong or right. Not to try to sound all guru-like, but they are illusory."


No wrong or right?!

There is no wrong or right. They are not illusory.
There is wrong and right. They are illusory.
There is no wrong or right. They are illusory.
There is wrong and right. They are not illusory.

Jesus Christ is God in Human form.
Jesus Christ is not God in Human form.
Jesus Christ definitely never existed.
Jesus Christ definitely existed.

God is real.
God is fake.
God is within you and everything.
God is only within you for 15 minutes after you receive the holy Eucharist.

Matter is made of atoms. This is wrong.
Matter is made of atoms. This is right.

Isn't it great when I can say anything I want and all of it is equally true, because wrong and right do not exist! Weee.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5547274 - 04/23/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think you are confusing moral judgments of "right" and "wrong" with factual basis (or lack thereof.)

To say that a statement is factual or non-factual, incorrect or correct, is vastly different than saying someone's actions are morally right or morally wrong.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: Veritas]
    #5547286 - 04/23/06 12:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I was. I thought we were discussing both.


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Re: Being Wrong [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5547303 - 04/23/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes rednucleus, i thought I had covered that earlier by discerning between righteousness and correctness.


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