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There's a lynching in town - will you attend?
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In your town somebody has shot at a few people and killed a security guard.

Leter on, being guilty, he tried to kill himself and was taken to the hospital. A lynching mob is assembling and the sheriff himself has publicly said he won't prevent a lynching.

You heard all this from someone heading for the mob.
What do you do?


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It's like this - what do you do?
You may choose only one


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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A headshot or stay home.

But a headshot most likely.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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The situation as I outlined it actually happened in 1911. Those of you who went to the lynching will have witnessed the following firsthand, those who stayed at home will have heard it through neighbour eye witness accounts and in the local newspaper.




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Zachariah Walker, 1911

Zachariah Walker, a black man from Virginia, had traveled to Coatesville, Pennsylvania to work in the Worth Brothers Steel Company. As was common among the factory workers - European-born immigrants and migrant blacks alike - Walker passed the afternoon of Saturday, August 12, 1911 drinking alcoholic beverages in downtown Coatesville with his coworkers. While walking back to his temporary lodgings to get some sleep, Walker was probably somewhat inebriated when he took out his pistol and fired it in the general direction of two Polish steelworkers who were approaching him on the road from the opposite direction. Although his shots failed to strike either man, Edgar Rice, a security guard employed by the Worth Brothers factory -- heard the shots and came out to apprehend Walker. A scuffle ensued. It soon escalated, with both men drawing their weapons. Walker got his shot off first, killing Rice, before heading off drunkenly in a homeward direction. Not making it, he slept in a neighboring barn until the next morning.

Rice's body was soon discovered. After the Polish immigrants helped establish Walker as his probable murderer, search parties began the hunt for him. Two men from the search party found Zachariah Walker early the next morning. Sober again, he'd been walking down a dirt road heading out of town. Climbing into a cherry tree, the terrified Walker eluded capture for several hours as he watched men passing beneath the tree and doggedly searching for him. Giving up all hope of survival, Walker attempted to commit suicide. Shooting himself in the head, he succeeded only in shattering his own jaw, and was carried to the town hospital after falling from the tree and being discovered.

When Walker awoke at the hospital, he confessed to the killing of Edgar Rice in self-defense. A deputy was left to guard him at the hospital. (Contained by a straitjacket and bound by shackles -- Walker's left ankle was chained to the footboard of his hospital bed.) The town sheriff, Charles Umsted, a big man of six foot three and over 250 pounds, was familiarly known as "Jumbo" or "Jummy" and had a reputation for toughness and a well-honed facility for surviving the fiercely contested elections for town police chief. Umsted was up for re-election in September, and on the night of August 13, as the crowd around him grew, he saw a chance to earn a few votes. Taking care to speak loudly enough for bystanders to eavesdrop, he avowed that Walker had boasted about killing Rice, and he made no mention of Walker's claim of self-defense. Before concluding his staged monologue, with an increasingly roused crowd gathered around him, Umsted virtually promised the mob that he would not intervene in the event of a lynching. "I would be the devil if somebody should happen to go after that fellow -- Gentleman, allow me to say that I am not going to get hurt."

Encouraged by such prompting, a mob broke into the hospital and kidnapped Walker. His ankle, still chained to the bed, dragged the footboard behind him. The mob dragged Walker toward a farmhouse near the outskirts of town. When Umsted arrived at the hospital, Walker's agonized screams were still audible in the distance, but he made no effort to follow them. Instead, he walked casually back to town. Writes Robert F. Worth, a descendant of the steel mill owning family, in the Spring 1998 issue of The American Scholar: The mob's leaders dragged Walker half a mile, stopping in a clearing bordered by split-rail fences just beyond the Newlin farmhouse. It made a good theater, and the all-white crowd -- now nearly four thousand strong -- poured up from the road to take their places. As men ran back and forth from the barn with dry straw and firewood, Walker shouted from the fence railing: "For God's sake, give a man a chance! I killed Rice in self-defense. Don't give me no crooked death because I ain't white!" But the fire was soon blazing up, illuminating the faces not only of men but also of women and children, who had been drawn by the commotion on the way home from church.

Within minutes, Walker was hurled onto the pyre, his body quickly enveloped in flames. The crowd roared its approval, and those close to the fire hunched forward, according to a newspaper report, "eagerly watching the look of mingled horror and terror that distorted his blood-smeared face." As the flames scorched his skin, Walker let out a series of awful screams that were heard, according to later testimony, almost a mile away. He seemed close to death when he managed, somehow, to crawl out of the fire. Still breathing, he reached the fence, his back -- as one boy later testified -- "all raw with burns. The onlookers paused in shock for a moment; no one had anticipated this. Then several of them beat him or pushed him with fence rails back into the flames. Shrieking with pain, Walker managed to struggle out a second time, still shackled to the burning footboard. According to witnesses, when he was pushed back in again, his flesh was visibly hanging from his body. To the crowd's amazement, Walker struggled out of the fire a third time. This time they allowed him to crawl almost to their feet, astonished and horrified by what one reporter called "the revolting spectacle his maimed and half-burned body presented to them." Finally, several men swung a rope around his neck, holding it taut at both ends, and pulled him back into the coals. His resistance gone, Zachariah Walker gave one last terrible scream and collapsed. His body was soon obscured by a wall of fire, and the smoke carried the smell of roasting human flesh into the night sky.

The following day, the Coatesville Record remarked on the politeness of the crowd: "Five thousand men, women, and children stood by and watched the proceedings as though it were a ball game or another variety of spectator sport." Boys had stopped for cold soda afterward at the Coatesville Candy Company to retell the story. Many returned to the site the next day to gather fragments of bone and charred flesh as souvenirs.

Source: americanlynching.com

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The sad truth is that probably half if not most of us would have attended this atrocity. I hope most of you will be shocked to find out the true atrociousness of a lynching, and will be strengthened in the notion that mob "justice" inherently is wrong.

Let's devote this thread to respectful discussion regarding lynchings.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Why should I miss a chance to see humans act this horribly in real-time, and within a safe distance to boot? The chance to gain this type of information doesn't fall in your lap very often.
The event would disturbe me, and if I felt I could make a difference in the man's plight short of the risk of getting lynched myself, I would.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: David_Scape]
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Wow, just wow.

I wonder how calloused I would be, had I lived in those times, and witnessed those events.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: David_Scape]
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glad i stayed home, stupid white people and thier mob mentality.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: fresh313]
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if at all possible, i would've blown the guys head off at 30 yards and fled in my horse-drawn buggy.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: fresh313]
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stupid white people and thier mob mentality.


Mob mentality resides in all of us, even though race was a big factor in the lynching described.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I would have brought sketch artists to record the entire thing! I find gross displays of mass gatherings, especially based on righteousness, to be one of the most amazing displays of art and humanity.

1) If you felt compelled to stop "this atrocity", then you are no better than the self-righteous mob. Just as they had interferred in the lives of others, you would have as well.
2) if you wished to not be a part of it, or it was too much reality for you, then the best choice would have been to stay home.
3) I think first hand experience of that would be a very enlightening event that even Emile Durkheim would have loved to witness.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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"I will go and try to prevent this atrocity"

Murder is wrong. Whether it's state sanctioned, whether it's a lynch mob, whether it's a serial killer. It's wrong. Period.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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"I will go and try to prevent this atrocity"

I would have informed the mayor that the sheriff should be prosecuted for dereliction of duty and inciting a killing.

Of course, that wouldn't have prevented it, but I agree with unbeliever, murder is wrong.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: unbeliever]
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ok pat robertson.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I'd go to sell beer.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: deryl]
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I'd go to sell beer.


I believe you, people did that. We also have the correct number of people who'd bring a rope, and 6/10 found a reason to attend the lynching, which also sounds realistic.

Society has changed a lot but people still are people, and in some aspects that can be so ghastly.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I would attend and try my best to stop the lynching. I might even have to kill several rednecks.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
In your town somebody has shot at a few people and killed a security guard.


In your hypothetical situation were the murders out of cold blood or did he have a motive and if so what was it?


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Redstorm]
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as wrong as murder is, to try and prevent such large violent mobs could well be suicide...


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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My answer in regards to the news article posted would have to be "I want to witness this, I will go." He murdered those people out of cold blood and deserves whatever he gets by their families.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: eligal]
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I would bomb them.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I want to witness this, I will go

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I'll be there smokin' dope in the back row.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I'd go. Then later print shirts depicting a lynching saying "I survived the 1911 lynch mob...... but Zachariah Walker didn't!"

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
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Quote:
In your hypothetical situation were the murders out of cold blood or did he have a motive and if so what was it?


The first post of this thread describes how you would have heard it, the third post describes what apparently actually happened.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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None of the above. I will stay home and either play video games, have sex or watch tv...maybe some weird combo of all 3?


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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It doesnt matter, nothing you could have done short of James Bond-esque tactics would have prevented this mans death. Any sane and rational person would have watched this rare act of social behaviour.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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I never got why people watch hangings. :frown:

Sick stuff, I mean I can understand if you were the victem/family/friend or something but not a random person.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: theuser]
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ever watched Jerry Springer?
someone remove a dead toenail?
stared at a dead dog on the interstate?
watched the NEWS!!!?

its like that, but people with a more detached sense of morality and less social conditioning than yourself.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Horror as only America can deliver...

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
ever watched Jerry Springer?
someone remove a dead toenail?
stared at a dead dog on the interstate?
watched the NEWS!!!?

its like that, but people with a more detached sense of morality and less social conditioning than yourself.


Nope. I watched jerry springer once cause there was a drag queen on that looked like a really hot chick. I stopped watching the news cept for Bill Oriely and the daily show/colbert report (news?).

That's sick that people like that shit. That stuff just stresses me out.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: theuser]
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you are only censoring yourself to human nature.

censorship=ignorance.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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That's okay with me :lol:.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: theuser]
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So, you have never watched two girls making out or getting grabby with each other at a party?
I suppose you want to explain how one is "Art" while the other is "brutal American indecency" Pat Robertson.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Don't be a dick. I don't like to see death or chopped up people. Yeah, watching hot chicks go at it is great.

I just wouldn't go to the lynching.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: theuser]
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Well, atleast I hope that you are aware of your western social conditioning and that your aversions, phobias, and manias are not truly your own, but learned behaviour.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
So, you have never watched two girls making out or getting grabby with each other at a party?
I suppose you want to explain how one is "Art" while the other is "brutal American indecency" Pat Robertson.


So, killing people is Art now. Is everything art then? So would you condone killing, because it's art? So if you were in Germany during Hitler's reign, you would have loved to be a camp commandant, there's art all around you. You are a sick person. What the hell is with this Pat Robertson thing?
I wouldn't go and be realistic enough to know that I couldn't stop it. I don't want to be a witness of the depths to wich humans can sink.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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I would kill everyone, including the dog and cat

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: goobler]
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I would go, only to witness human nature in action, it kind of fascinates me how some people can be so easily turned into a crazy mob and what can take place when people are in this savage state.

Cybrbeast you how can call someone sick for wanting to live in reality? I would have liked to see the Nazi camps and witness the horrible things there, not to say I wouldn't be emotionally destroyed by what I saw, I would however like to see human nature being worked out.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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uhmmm wait..if the guy was found guilty and its 1911..won't he just be hanged anyway? i mean..what if you were a family member of the victims.you would want justice. i'd personally go with a gun to get a head shot in. its less suffering that way. he still is sentenced to death tho. True he was black man and the evidence was sketchy at best..but they had a weak justice system back then. you were lucky if someone was "caught" for the crime. most crimes went unsolved. i think nowadays with better DNA testing and evidence collecting... i think more ppl should be hanged. Would make more room in the jails.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Quote:
Well, atleast I hope that you are aware of your western social conditioning and that your aversions, phobias, and manias are not truly your own, but learned behaviour.


No Psilocyberin, it is not the same.
All higher lifeforms that are social animals get stressed when individuals from their enviroment meet with a horrible death.

90% of soldiers avoids killing at all cost.

Aversion to torturous death is not the same as spider phobia. It is not acquired behavior but rather it is an inborn instinct, and when it is severely detoriorated or eradicated altogether such a person is labeled a sociopath/psychopath, a personality structual disorder.

Unless you are one of the latter, witnessing a lynching is traumatic to some extent.

Aversion to torturous death isn't a feature of western culture, it is at the heart of what makes us human, and psychologically healthy social animals.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Why have public executions been so well-attended throughout the ages then?

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Why have public executions been so well-attended throughout the ages then?


Our ghoulish side.

But one thing you got to realize: fucked-upness. The more fucked up a community is, the more people want to attend a public execution.

Personal unhappyness is a big factor too. Would you rather witness someone being put on the electric chair, or going out on a date with the girl of your dreams?

But yes, I think that most people here who'd want to witness a lynching are not as happy as they should be, and in part society is responsible for that.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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i agree. ppl love to watch suffering and death. why do you think ppl slow down and rubber neck when they come on an accident? I know a lot of ppl who wanted to go to Afganistan so they could kill ppl or at least get the chance to. i donno if the army would take them...i think talking about doing it and doing are way different things. you get used to death after awhile. i mean look you guys are american..the good old west was full of hanging, death, murder, gun play. look at you guys now! ppl are killed by guns ect every day. i think killing each other is a normal human thing. its disturbing and disgusting but its pretty well what we've been doing since the begining. religion be damned!


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. If the guy was black I wouldn't go. If the guy was any other race I would. People looove calling other people racist.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RedNucleus]
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If the lynchee was a middle-aged white guy in a nice suit I'd be there in a second!

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:
Well, atleast I hope that you are aware of your western social conditioning and that your aversions, phobias, and manias are not truly your own, but learned behaviour.


No Psilocyberin, it is not the same.
All higher lifeforms that are social animals get stressed when individuals from their enviroment meet with a horrible death.

90% of soldiers avoids killing at all cost.

Aversion to torturous death is not the same as spider phobia. It is not acquired behavior but rather it is an inborn instinct, and when it is severely detoriorated or eradicated altogether such a person is labeled a sociopath/psychopath, a personality structual disorder.

Unless you are one of the latter, witnessing a lynching is traumatic to some extent.

Aversion to torturous death isn't a feature of western culture, it is at the heart of what makes us human, and psychologically healthy social animals.


tell that to the thousands of registered members of ogrish.com

defining what is normal behaviour or falsly leblling social conditioned responses as "instinct" is no way to go about defending your point.

I guess Wartime photographers are "sick twisted fucks" for capturing mass graves or land mine victims. Oh but wait, that is different somehow, right?

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Quote:
Why have public executions been so well-attended throughout the ages then?


Our ghoulish side.

But one thing you got to realize: fucked-upness. The more fucked up a community is, the more people want to attend a public execution.

Personal unhappyness is a big factor too. Would you rather witness someone being put on the electric chair, or going out on a date with the girl of your dreams?

But yes, I think that most people here who'd want to witness a lynching are not as happy as they should be, and in part society is responsible for that.


sorry, but this makes no sense. I think I have seen almost every single one of you have some sort of "help, im depressed" type thread in mental and physical health forum.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said:
I would attend and try my best to stop the lynching. I might even have to kill several rednecks.


i'd get on a hill with a giant slingshot and a few dozen molotavs


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RedNucleus]
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RedNucleus said:
Whoa whoa whoa wait a minute. If the guy was black I wouldn't go. If the guy was any other race I would. People looove calling other people racist.


i dont get it


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: eligal]
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because that would be a hate crime.....i dont get it either.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: ClammyJoe]
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TheMadConductor said:
Cybrbeast you how can call someone sick for wanting to live in reality? I would have liked to see the Nazi camps and witness the horrible things there, not to say I wouldn't be emotionally destroyed by what I saw, I would however like to see human nature being worked out.


Ok, would you want to see a 4 year old girl being raped by a group of filthy old men because it's reality? You couldn't stop it, because they are a group. You could only watch it or go away. You choose.

I must admit though that I am fascinated with some shocking videos on the net. But when it's involving torture or useless death I feel horrible inside and wouldn't have want to watch it. Like the killings in Rwanda or the Iraqi torture videos or kitten stomping videos etc. Some things should be shown to let people see how horrible a situation is, like the videos from vietnam. But that serves a purpose, just watching sick act because it's 'art' or whatever is a bit psychopathic if you ask me. But to each his own.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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You mean you couldn't try to stop it? I think your black or white view on the issue is absurd.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Redstorm]
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Just like the lynching, you would be beaten to a pulp if you tried. But ofcourse you could try.
Black and White? I'm just trying to put it into perspective.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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If it was say....a child molester or rapist being strung up sure I would go and see that he got what was coming to him. If it was someone who shot a poor innocent man or woman to steal their car or something of that nature once again sure I'd go. If it was something along the lines of one drug dealer shooting another then no, I would not go. The punishment should fit the crime. If you truly deserve to be killed, in my eyes naturally, then I wouldn't mind at all watching. I am an incredibly happy person and have no depression issues whatsoever but put me on the street and tell me either you put a bullet in this child molestors head or he walks free, I'd have no hesitation.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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i voted "i'd stay home and urge people not to go, too"

just because one man got violent doesn't mean that i have to put myself down to that level... and for all of you who would have gone there to "watch"...

Quote:
[Eye on / I own] the TV
'cause tragedy thrills me
Whatever flavor
It happens to be

Like:
"Killed by the husband"
"Drowned by the ocean"
"Shot by his own son"
"She used the poison in his tea
[and / he] kissed [him / her] goodbye"
That's my kind of story
It's no fun til someone dies

Don't look me at like
I am a monster
Frown out your one face
But with the other
Stare like a junkie
Into the TV
Stare like a zombie
While the mother, holds her child
Watches him die
Hands to the sky cryin,
"Why, oh why?"

Cause I need to watch things die
From a distance
Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
You all need it too - don't lie.

Why can't we just admit it?
Why can't we just admit it?
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'
Neither the brave nor bold
Will write us the story so
We won't give pause until the blood is flowin'

I need to watch things die
From a good safe distance
Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
You all feel the same so
Why can't we just admit it?

Blood like rain fallin' down
[Drown on grave and ground / ?? grave ??]

Part vampire
Part warrior
Carnivore and voyeur
Still have the
[transmittal, sing / transmitter, sing / trance, mental sync]
to the death rattle

La, la, la, la, la, la, la-lie (x4)

[Incredulous / Credulous] at best
Your desire to believe in
Angels in the hearts of men.
But pull your head on out
[Your head please / ??] and give a listen
Shouldn't have to say it all again

The universe is hostile
So impersonal
Devour to survive
So it is, so it's always been ...

We all feed on tragedy
It's like blood to a vampire

Vicariously, I
Live while the whole world dies
Much better you than I.



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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: eligal]
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Well if it was a black person, then anyone who knew I was there could label me racist. Otherwise it wouldn't label me racist.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RedNucleus]
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There is a difference between media slanted hype and witnessing humanity in person.

All to often we associate "bad" with events that make us feel gross, disturbed or sad. i think this is taking the myriad of human experience and emotions for granted.
Sure, be grossed out, or sickened, but see that interaction and immense feeling as a beautiful part of existence. trying to say that smelling a rose is more human or normal than watching a 4 year old girl get gang raped is being judgemental and claiming that their is a universal norm as well as a default perception of the universe.

Why do we always have to categorize things into such small compartments that we eventually censor ourselves from certain parts of reality? When you isolate yourself and ignore parts of reality, you are living in a fantasy world.
Also, events, things, phenomenon, just ARE, they IS, and being unable to appreciate the sick and twisted, the deranged, the scary and mentally haunting just shows a lack of personal control over your own thoughts and reactions.

We have been conditioned to be repulsed and dislike the feeling of repulsion.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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are you talking to me? because i didn't say any of that.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: RedNucleus]
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no

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Quote:
. trying to say that smelling a rose is more human or normal than watching a 4 year old girl get gang raped is being judgemental and claiming that their is a universal norm as well as a default perception of the universe.



Like migrating birds and flocking sheep, humans have got default settings that are present at birth.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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yeah, like knowing to suck the tit, not whether or not what is happening is bad, or that what they feel is "icky".

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
yeah, like knowing to suck the tit, not whether or not what is happening is bad, or that what they feel is "icky".


People are programmed to find the smell of poo, vomit and decaying or burning flesh repulsive. This is because these things are usually bad for a person and that's why we hate the smells so mych.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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I think you have your cause and effect backwards. We dont naturally hate the smells from instinct, it is because from previous experiences we equate those sights and smells with feeling sick or such and we automatically place negative labels on them.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
I would have brought sketch artists to record the entire thing! I find gross displays of mass gatherings, especially based on righteousness, to be one of the most amazing displays of art and humanity.

1) If you felt compelled to stop "this atrocity", then you are no better than the self-righteous mob. Just as they had interferred in the lives of others, you would have as well.
2) if you wished to not be a part of it, or it was too much reality for you, then the best choice would have been to stay home.
3) I think first hand experience of that would be a very enlightening event that even Emile Durkheim would have loved to witness.


yeah ok bro. You may have 'interfered' with the people's lives, but you wouldn't physically torture them. There's a bit of a difference in the degree of interference here.

That remarks makes me think... you're one of those guys that thinks they're so clever and brilliant they can argue any point and make sense.

The logic you employed in that post was simply quite fucking ridiculously stupid. So you might not be any 'better' --by stopping the lynching--but you're certainly a lot less 'worse.'

Furthermore, if Emile Durkheim were to go to this event, I doubt he would be jumping up and down, and instead would probably be taking mental notes whilst in a state of social disgust.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
I think you have your cause and effect backwards. We dont naturally hate the smells from instinct, it is because from previous experiences we equate those sights and smells with feeling sick or such and we automatically place negative labels on them.


Do you have some reference to back this claim up?

I do believe the first time I smelled shit I found it unpleasant because it was unpleasant, not because I thought about sickness when I smelled it.

You're just full of questionable comments on this post, aren't you?


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Herbus]
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Well I found this source to back up my claim:
http://museum.utep.edu/archive/biology/DDbadsmells.htm
Quote:
What's that horrible smell? Ick?something dead! Why do things smell bad; why doesn't a sewer smell like rose blossoms, or a least like something that doesn't make your stomach turn over? The likely answer, as so often is the case, is natural selection. Remember, it's our brains that assign pleasure or distaste to a smell, which is why dog brains don't treat odors the same way as ours. Mostly, things that smell bad to us are things that would harm us if we ate them; way back when, individuals who found such odors attractive didn't live to pass on their genes.



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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
tell that to the thousands of registered members of ogrish.com

defining what is normal behaviour or falsly leblling social conditioned responses as "instinct" is no way to go about defending your point.

I guess Wartime photographers are "sick twisted fucks" for capturing mass graves or land mine victims. Oh but wait, that is different somehow, right?


I have gone to ogrish and seen those videos, I've watched them several times with friends...

Does that mean I thrive on it? No, I think it's mostly curiousity invoked by constantly seeing images of violence and war on TV and what not, coupled with a curiousness of what it 'really' looks like.
Every time I always feel sorry for the people/person getting it, though. If you're loving this shit there's probably something wrong with you. If anything, 'conditioning' in a bad sense is what leads to this behaviors, and not vice versa.

Consider the billions of people NOT registered to Ogrish.com

I'm starting to think you've had a little too much solitude and time to 'think.' Perhaps because of your abilities in articulation you might carry on riding your high-horse thinking you've got it figured out... without anyone having successfully told you otherwise thus far.

I don't know man, you've got a really weird way of looking at things, and although I can't say it's "bad" or "good" it would definitely seem less applicable to the world-at-large.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeast said:
Well I found this source to back up my claim:
http://museum.utep.edu/archive/biology/DDbadsmells.htm
Quote:
What's that horrible smell? Ick?something dead! Why do things smell bad; why doesn't a sewer smell like rose blossoms, or a least like something that doesn't make your stomach turn over? The likely answer, as so often is the case, is natural selection. Remember, it's our brains that assign pleasure or distaste to a smell, which is why dog brains don't treat odors the same way as ours. Mostly, things that smell bad to us are things that would harm us if we ate them; way back when, individuals who found such odors attractive didn't live to pass on their genes.




Should basically be common sense.

Unless you think everything is "programmed." Maybe common sense is programmed... AH YOU'RE ALL PROGRAMMED. Psilocyberin come back and post, I've basically been borderline flaming you and I know you wish to return the favor.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeast said:
Well I found this source to back up my claim:
http://museum.utep.edu/archive/biology/DDbadsmells.htm
Quote:
What's that horrible smell? Ick?something dead! Why do things smell bad; why doesn't a sewer smell like rose blossoms, or a least like something that doesn't make your stomach turn over? The likely answer, as so often is the case, is natural selection. Remember, it's our brains that assign pleasure or distaste to a smell, which is why dog brains don't treat odors the same way as ours. Mostly, things that smell bad to us are things that would harm us if we ate them; way back when, individuals who found such odors attractive didn't live to pass on their genes.




Im almost positive that there is no possible way to have a fully controlled scientific study done on this.

IOW, unless you could have an infant that has yet to smell something like the inside of a dirty vagina, or its own shit, fill out a questionaire. This study is mere speculation, and while it is a sound THEORY it sure as hell is no more valid than mine.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Herbus]
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Herbus, I couldnt care less if you flame me directly or indirectly, I have never once hit notify mod/post button and dont intend to.

Yeah, you probably are right about the argumentative side of me, but not with this topic. I have taken this stance many times in threads. It ties in my entire life philosophy: that being aware of and abolishing conditioned responses is the first step to personal enlightenment.

Im not saying I can enjoy every single aspect of existence, but I try to atleast find the beauty in scat porn, the beauty in rabid hatred, the beauty in deformed retards and the beauty in people calling me an asshole.

Taking everything so seriously is ridiculous. Life is funny. Life just IS, and your opinions of it can only get in the way of true perceptual hedonistic revelry. Many of you want to call me sick for watching acts of torture, but I think you are deranged for self censorship and not being able to find some sort of beauty or enjoyment in a socially deemed "vile act".

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5551926 -

I think it can be easily verified by looking at the facial reaction of a baby. Have you ever seen a baby that didn't like something? It's the same with bitter things, because toxic things usually taste bitter. Baby's will spit it out.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeast said:
I think it can be easily verified by looking at the facial reaction of a baby. Have you ever seen a baby that didn't like something? It's the same with bitter things, because toxic things usually taste bitter. Baby's will spit it out.


you mean like....


which is obviously the only possible reaction to the instinctual repulsion to the odors of feces. Babies facial expressions are either screaming or bewilderment. Think about a conditioning which almost everyone has received: the uncomfortable feeling of shit in your diaper.
When there is shit in your own diaper, do you suppose you could also smell it? and when a baby cries do you suppose it is because of the uncomfortable feeling or because of the smell of shit?

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5551974 -

Why would poo in your diaper be an uncomfortable feeling. It's nice warm and gooey. How could an 'unconditioned' baby know that as an uncomfortable feeling?

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5551980 -

Also.... "discernment through facial expressions" is no real basis for an argument.....


on a side note: lynching ---> the facial expressions on babies faces when shit is present.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5552011 -

OK fine, you know everything. This conversation is going nowhere. Maybe you should move to Iran or Saudi-Arabia, then you could watch some public executions. Maybe even a stoning if you're lucky.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5552017 -

feeling pain and being uncomfortable are proven instinctual perceptions. Pain feels like pain. A sunburn is uncomfortable... just like shit in your diaper.... there is no real judgement on it.

Take the first liquor you got sick from..... do you feel naseuated when you smell, or even think about the smell?

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: cybrbeast]
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cybrbeast said:
OK fine, you know everything. This conversation is going nowhere. Maybe you should move to Iran or Saudi-Arabia, then you could watch some public executions. Maybe even a stoning if you're lucky.


believe me, America is a much dirtier microscope slide than any other country when it comes to observable repulsion.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Heh philisophical banter in the pub... :alert: :alert: :alert:


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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psilocyberin said:
cybrbeast said:
OK fine, you know everything. This conversation is going nowhere. Maybe you should move to Iran or Saudi-Arabia, then you could watch some public executions. Maybe even a stoning if you're lucky.


believe me, America is a much dirtier microscope slide than any other country when it comes to observable repulsion.


What do you mean by that? That people in America act repulsed more often? I don't know, in Iran people are repulsed if a woman shows skin or if a man shakes the hand of a woman, or if a man loves another man, etc etc
Luckily I live in neither country.

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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Quote:
Im almost positive that there is no possible way to have a fully controlled scientific study done on this.



You're debating. I think the topic has become a side dish to the main course of arguing your point.


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Re: There's a lynching in town - will you attend? [Re: Asante]
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meh.... I started having fun with it back at page 4.

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