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Sympathy: the worst emotion
#5542621 - 04/21/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sympathy isnt just useless, it is counter-productive IMO. Maybe it is my upbringing, but I have never had sympathy for anyone.
I may be a cold-hearted bastard, but there have been occasions when I have a soft spot for someones situation, but it doesnt mean that I am sympathetic towards them.
Sympathy breeds more sympathy craving attention. I see grown people, everyday, who use this lowest form of attention grabbing, and they are always perpetually miserable until the moment that someone "feels sorry" for them.
I think I have figured out the mechanics of attention through sympathy. It is an external validation which can transcend the logical counterbalance of telling yourself you are just a pathetic whiner. It also justifies the maneuvering of your life into a corner of self-proclaimed helplessness and allows you to go on being a victim of yourself.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5542694 - 04/21/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not inclined to agree with you on this. IMO, sympathy is an emotion that encourages fellowship. Sharing and seeking to understand the feelings of others are two staples of a successful society.
Although it's illogical, and really does seem unnecessary to a degree, what it boils down to is that sympathy is the glue that binds us together. I posit that if most humans weren't so emotional and weak-willed, sympathy would be nonexistent.
Incidentally, a lack of sympathy is precisely why the robot armies are one day going to be able to raze our cities to the ground.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5542701 - 04/21/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said: there have been occasions when I have a soft spot for someones situation, but it doesnt mean that I am sympathetic towards them.
So, you are sympathetic to someone else's situation, just not to the person them self.... Right...? But, doesn't the presentation skills of the particular person's situation play a big role in how you might feel sympathetic towards a given situation...? Thus, kinda~ locking the sympathetic feelings towards the person AND the situation they are in....?
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Sympathy breeds more sympathy craving attention. I see grown people, everyday, who use this lowest form of attention grabbing, and they are always perpetually miserable until the moment that someone "feels sorry" for them.
There is a difference between being a "grown up", and being "mature"....
But then, you did say "grown people", which is kind of everyone.... Because everyone is grown to the point they are at, at any particular time....
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: jcdangerously]
#5542724 - 04/21/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you are confusing empathy with sympathy.
I can see how empathy could encourage fellowship, but pity/sympathy only promotes the idea of superiority.
Even acts done out of sympathy are harmful. It is human nature to be met with conflict, even seemingly impossible barricades. We become accomplished and victorious over the perils of LIFE when we rise to meet these challenges and barricades. We are only strengthened in our resistance to death and spiritual/emotional decay, and while we cannot win every battle, that in itself is a lesson, a strength to be gained.
Someone placating your weakness, your personal justifications of how life is more unfair towards you than anyone else, especially regarding trivial and petty matters such as "my girlfriend left me" and "my mom died" as you cry into your unfinished tomato soup - that is truly counter productive not only to the individual, but to society as a whole.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5542760 - 04/21/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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PhanTomCat said:
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psilocyberin said: there have been occasions when I have a soft spot for someones situation, but it doesnt mean that I am sympathetic towards them.
So, you are sympathetic to someone else's situation, just not to the person them self.... Right...? But, doesn't the presentation skills of the particular person's situation play a big role in how you might feel sympathetic towards a given situation...? Thus, kinda~ locking the sympathetic feelings towards the person AND the situation they are in....?
I am not sympathetic to anything. Sympathy is a hollow feeling, almost a regret for being who you are in relation to this person in front of you. A soft spot doesnt mean I was sympathetic, more like a psychedelic PLUR kind of thing. I find it only happens with really old people. It is a depressing feeling watching them slowly go through the 80 year build up of routine, their perception numbed and crowded to the point of being utterly oblivious while they claw and grasp to hold on to the few remaining shreds of vitality no matter how tortured and mnemonic it has become, propelled towards survival by the fear of unknown death, weighing their life, accomplishments and deeds which often result in regrets. Maybe I have a tinge of sympathy, but it is more of a depressing aversion mixed with the anger I have towards western lifestyle/ideology.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5542869 - 04/22/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had to look up Empathy, Sympathy, and Pity to see what the actual differences were, and found they kind of go hand in hand - at least with these definition....
""Sympathy: an emotional affinity in which whatever affects one correspondingly affects the other, and its synonym is pity. Sympathy must become empathy. Empathy, which is important in the development of a moral sense, is the ability to imagine oneself in another?s place and understand the other?s feelings, desires, ideas, motives, and actions. miriams-well.org/Glossary/""
""Pity: Pity is an emotion, usually resulting from an encounter with an unfortunate, injured, or pathetic person or creature. A person experiencing pity will often take mercy on the person/creature, giving them aid or money. Many people pity the homeless, orphans, the terminally ill, and victims of rape and torture. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pity""
I can see your view of ""pity/sympathy only promotes the idea of superiority"" only in the context of using the wording of "pathetic" - only because it is a "judgmental" type of word.... In the other contexts, the only "superiority" would be the fact that you are not in that specific situation at that moment, (but know that perhaps you could be....(?))
In my opinion, I think "Regret" is a far worse, waste of time/energy emotion....
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: PhanTomCat]
#5542884 - 04/22/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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regret is ignoring the present and dwelling on the past, which oddly enough can result in someone giving you sympathy over a regrettable situation....
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5542933 - 04/22/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Empathy, which is important in the development of a moral sense, is the ability to imagine oneself in another?s place and understand the other?s feelings, desires, ideas, motives, and actions."
Hah, not true, only applies if you have a conscience, otherwise you can even more easily -understand- other's feelings, desires, ideas, motives, and actions, but instead of an emotional bond being created, the understanding usually leads to control of the individual.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5542944 - 04/22/06 12:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5543022 - 04/22/06 01:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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OmEgAx1 said: "Empathy, which is important in the development of a moral sense, is the ability to imagine oneself in another?s place and understand the other?s feelings, desires, ideas, motives, and actions." . Hah, not true, only applies if you have a conscience, otherwise you can even more easily -understand- other's feelings, desires, ideas, motives, and actions, but instead of an emotional bond being created, the understanding usually leads to control of the individual.
Huh....? 
***puts on tin-foil hat***
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5543101 - 04/22/06 02:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think you're talking about pity, rather than sympathy.... ?
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5543106 - 04/22/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't worry, I have no sympathy for your ideas represented in this thread.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: moog]
#5543112 - 04/22/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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sympathy is almost the same thing as pity. Pity is just a more detached form of sympathy.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5543191 - 04/22/06 05:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sympathy shouldn't make you feel like shit unless you are unable do anything about it. That's what emotions are there for, to make you behave in a certain way. If you can't behave the way the feeling wants, it would be better if you didn't feel it at all.
If expression of genuine guilt in one person elicits genuine sympathy in another, then the guilty should be reciprocated with a clean slate. If a person finds themselves unable to reciprocate the guilty party for whatever reason, then the practicality of sympathy is nullified and you just end up feeling like shit.
Alas, such is the woe of ethical decision making between humans.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: David_Scape]
#5544033 - 04/22/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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anything can make you feel like shit, depends on your outlook of the universe.
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5551233 - 04/24/06 02:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just wish there were threads about this subject I could relate with...
I do pity people. I dont sympathize however.
"If you can't behave the way the feeling wants, it would be better if you didn't feel it at all."
All I "feel" on a constant basis are my narcissistic and psychopathic needs. Im glad I have the rational not to behave the way I feel, I used to and its gotten me nowhere except for the satisfaction of knowing I have dramatically changed many peoples lives permanently, so now I go through my life with the intent of hiding to the world the fact of what I am...
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Re: Sympathy: the worst emotion [Re: SneezingPenis]
#5551254 - 04/24/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What about having sympathy for your food? Is this not the worst vice imaginable!?
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I agree to an extent, one should be careful how they show their sympathy. people do tend to come looking for more more of the same if you allow them too.
when a friend dies and you hug your other friend and just sit and cry. thats helpful sympathy.
when your kid stubs his toe and you run over to pamper him, thats unhelpful sympathy.
Its all just judgement calls really. Peace
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