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 Papa_Bear
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 Psilocybe cubensis "Treasure Coast" on hay (contaminated) 
#554187 - 02/17/02 03:25 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby Bear began her project with PC'd Pint jar Rye Grain inocculated with TC's from lilshop 2/4. Here is the jar @ 3 days, incubating @ 80-90 deg F
Colonized Grain was broken up in ziplock baggie and spawned onto cooled pasturized Timothy Hay 2/9
Hay was incubated @ 80-90 deg F inside a plastic bag sitting in a foil tray, placed into a dark box. She took it out a few times to take pictures. At 3 days the mycelium has really been tearin up the hay. 2/12
At this time Baby Bear SHOOK the Bag to mix the mycelium, the result.......
After 7 days incubation Baby Bear decided it was time to Case this tray........before casing.........2/16
After Casing.....Casing consists of 50% Schultz Potting Soil (peat moss/archillite/lime) from Wal-Mart and 50% Vermiculite. Casing soil was wetted and pastuized in the microwave on high for 8 mins. shaking the baggie half way through to help distribute the heat evenly.
The tray was placed into incubation chamber 2/16 will up-date post as Baby Bears project progresses.
Baby Bear just LOVES her new Digital Camera in case you can't tell.
Edited by Anno (12/21/04 07:47 AM)
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Anno
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#554242 - 02/17/02 06:25 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks very promissing !
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Papa_Bear
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Anno]
#554477 - 02/17/02 01:40 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the encouragement Anno, your post here have been an inspiration to Baby Bear. She drools over your photos!
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#554509 - 02/17/02 02:20 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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is that a fish tank heater inside a jar full of moist perlite? Can you do that?
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 angryshroom
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: CuckoosNest]
#554694 - 02/17/02 06:28 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah I was trying to figure that out... it looks like a good idea! 
Hows that workin out papa bear?
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SumGuy
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#554728 - 02/17/02 07:15 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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can you do a favour and say the temp/time you pasturiezed this "hay" at?
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Papa_Bear
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: SumGuy]
#554853 - 02/17/02 10:18 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes that is a fish tank heater in the perlite. It raise the temp and helps with the evaporation=humidity factor, creating warm humid air. Just watch the water level or the perlite will dry out an crack the jar, also burns up a good heater.....oops.
The hay was pasturized @ 170-180 deg. F for around 45-50 mins. Baby Bear let it steep for a while (15 mins) before draining and cooling on a rack. It was then placed into a CLEAN trash bag. Baby Bear sprayed inside the bag with a hospital dissenfectant. Colonized rye berries were broken up and added to the hay in the bag, they were given a good shaking and then incubated. Also some "breathing" holes were added to the bag while incubating.
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#554879 - 02/17/02 10:53 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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This thread would be a good how to for timothy cob, I think Thor should put it in the grow/find section. The pictures tell a lot the words can't.
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Papa_Bear
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#555274 - 02/18/02 10:53 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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2 Days in the fruiting chamber. Slow going, had a light burn out yesterday while we were out, temp dropped into the low 60's......Doesn't hurt it, rather be too cool than burn it up.
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#555308 - 02/18/02 11:34 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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looks like everthings going well.
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mrdasani
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So was the timothy hay cased a big sucess? Where are the pics of the results? Being interested my FOAF had bought his own bag of timothy hay. Wish him lots of luck!
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: mrdasani]
#555928 - 02/19/02 01:31 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Relax! It's only been a day since the baby bear relayed the information to the papa bear to post in this here forum!
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Nighted]
#556032 - 02/19/02 06:53 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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was it necessary to case that? I have my spawn/compost mixture colonizing right now and was not planning on casing it......is that alright?
Also, would you add a layer of vermiculite under a compost/spawn mixture?
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Papa_Bear
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Cheesy....... Casing is optional with Cubies but there is said to be higher yeilds with casings (Chp. 8 Mushroom Cultivator). Baby Bear did not put down Verm. bottom layer she said she felt there may be enough moisture in the Hay. But she is still misting and fanning!! Plenty of humidity, just have to maintain Temps. 70-85 deg. F
Patients mrdasani it has only been a few days and as much as I would love to have them pop-up overnight it takes a little time. I would hate for Baby to blow it now that she is so close to fruits!
The Casing is covered with small fingers of mycelium and a few patches here and there.
Baby Bear will probably KILL me for this..........but I just had to look.
AAHHH MAN I could just eat it with a fork!!!!!!
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mrdasani
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#556184 - 02/19/02 11:15 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I thought the bottom verm layer was to act as a moisture resevoir so it would take up water if it acted like a little mini flood. So the mycelium wont be soggy and get contaminated. I read that from MMGG i believe. Well, I bet yours shouldn't have any problems.
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come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!" - Pink Floyd (Wish You Were Here 1975)
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: mrdasani]
#556364 - 02/19/02 02:42 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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The MMGG is just a rehashing of the PF Tek and it involves cakes, not casings. I can?t stand the MMGG, I don?t know why they link to it on this site. I think it is stupid how someone took an already detailed set of growing instructions, changed the wording a little, and put it out as their own.
To be honest with you mrdasani, the reason the bear family is casing their timothy cob is because they are bad ass cultivars and like some other people that post in the pictures forum, like Anno and Joshua, they like to take their cultivating to the max because they do it for the hobby as well as the shrooms. Most people just want to know "how do I get as many shrooms as possible with as little effort". These guys want to get great results through great technique and they get a kick out of showing everyone one here their hardwork. We get to benefit from their experiments thanks to this cool ass website. BTW I am a little drunk, sorry for the longwindedness on your thread Papa Bear.....
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Nighted
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: LeGrouper]
#556419 - 02/19/02 03:49 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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No shit!!! Why do you think so many mushrooms grow in the woods? 
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mrdasani
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Nighted]
#557084 - 02/20/02 02:14 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I guess my FOAF should refund my bag of timothy hay since hes no pro. FUCK. But its all good, he'll still try it since hay was told to be somewhat a week colonizer. But anyway its about time my FOAF move out of the jars. A question for those experienced with hay : What the most likely problem to occur? Bacterial Infection , the slimy goo that smells sweet? Thanks guys. Im not a newbie, but I suck compared to all you shroom growin gods.
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come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!" - Pink Floyd (Wish You Were Here 1975)
"Never underestimate the power of denial." -from American Beauty.
Edited by mrdasani (02/20/02 02:20 AM)
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Papa_Bear
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: mrdasani]
#557091 - 02/20/02 02:41 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Baby Bear was also leary of the hay but it was cheap so she thought she would give it a try....the main problem she heard of was there are seeds=grains in the hay which habor contaminates but if you have a strong spawn it will colonize faster than the contams. not giving them a chance.
Baby just bought a bale of "Texas Coastal Straw". She said she couldn't find wheat or rye straw in this area but it looks good. She is going to try this next with some EQ's and/or B+'s. Also she said something about an outdoor garden in the spring. YEE HAA!! I guess those 2 semesters of Microbiology are payng off!
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Nighted
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#565152 - 02/27/02 08:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I had no problem finding straw. I found some oat straw not far from where I live here:
www.hayexchange.com/hay.htm
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Nighted]
#565194 - 02/27/02 08:52 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks Nighted thats a good site......baby may look for more staw, right now she has this big bale to use...still waiting for the spawn to finish it's run to start pasturizing. She is also going to try her new Myco-Bags. She has had some major set backs with her hay project.....Temps uncontrollable... Humidity out of wack .... Overlay.. matting.... contamination......will post the horrifying pics later to show all what has been happening...FUN FUN
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Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#565217 - 02/27/02 09:14 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here's another one I forgot to post:
www.baleinabag.net
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project [Re: Papa_Bear]
#565944 - 02/28/02 02:26 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Any pic updates?
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Papa_Bear
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 Re: Timothy Hay Project Update 2/19 (more pics) [Re: Papa_Bear]
#567636 - 03/02/02 10:18 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here are some pics of what not to do.
Here she had major overlay and matting....
Baby was really upset everything going well then uncontrollable temps and couldn't get humidity up enough in the rubbermaid tub. temps ranging from 60's to 90's...outside temps 50's-70's
She decided to scape off the casing and retry there was plenty of the substrate left to play with, she could have easily flipped it and recased that would have worked....
After she recased, it was placed back in incubator to recolonize the casing........no luck more matting baby got impatient and mad, in a fit she tore into the cake and casing mixing everything together then put it all in a plastic bag and reincubated.......this is what has happened.....
I do believe it is a lost case...but she has not given up.. she has pasturized another bag of Hay and has some B+ on Rye she is going to try...
She believes there is still hope for a decent crop from the Timothy Hay.
Here is a pic of her new incubator she just built...much easier to control temps., humidity.....it measures 2'H x 3'W x 2'Deep room for shelves and can be divided for a fruiting chamber.....
Will keep posting new project hope it turns out better...Live and Learn............
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Re: Timothy Hay Project Update 2/19 (more pics) [Re: Papa_Bear]
#567644 - 03/02/02 10:32 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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you should have just let it fruit but then again with uncontrolable temps and humidity that could be difficult .. i feel for you .. maybe you should have just deep scratched lightly recased and tried to initiate pinning .... how did your temps in the tub range from 60 to 90? those are huge differences ...
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Re: Timothy Hay Project Update 2/19 (more pics) [Re: Papa_Bear]
#569654 - 03/04/02 01:42 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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The biggest problem with hay is the temp thing. IME, hays, esp tim hay, are too thermogenic due to their high nitrogen content (which btw makes them more susceptable to contams). Especially at high spawn rates. The increased temperature often activates thermophillic bacteria, causing again more heat. Then you just have a mini compost pile, not a fruiting substrate. The high temps can also delay pin set because the natural temp drop of a straw substrate from decreased mycelial activity at full colonization doesn't occur.
This is just ME, and may not be what happened to you, you could have simply had a setup problem or something. I just say "Hay, why bother?" Straw is a given.
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Re: Timothy Hay Project Update 2/19 (more pics) [Re: mycofile]
#569987 - 03/04/02 09:33 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, Baby had a major problem with set-up. She had to move her entire operation into her garage. It was very cold in there and baby overcompensated for the differences. This is where she got into problems before, she killed some cased TC's at 110 degs. F in her previous set-up. The TC's she spawned were very prolific and ate up the substrate quickly. She believes that with a proper set up, like she is working on now, there would have been major flushes.
Staw and Hay do produce alot of heat and she is leaving them at a lower temp. 80 deg. F. to help prevent overheating. She has both more Hay and also some straw colonizing now. She is working on building up to an outdoor bed. See last picture of incubator, straw and hay are in the bags labeled EQ and B+. We'll have to wait and see if she can get some nice "cakes" like before.
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Re: Timothy Hay Project Update 2/19 (more pics) [Re: Papa_Bear]
#570372 - 03/05/02 08:50 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've very rarely ever seen a need to put straw or hay in an incubator. It generates plenty of heat at room temps. Unless the garage is cold I guess. BTW, ME was that hay or supplemented straw had temp sky rockets at about the 5 day mark, which was at about 75-80% colonization. Keep your eye on them right as they are about to colonize, I've seen 15 degree jumps in half a day before.
Again, good luck.
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