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OmEgAx1
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Need help, only from the most experienced.
#5540987 - 04/21/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hello everyone, I haven't posted in a while, Ive been quite busy in my real life. But I have returned, let me start by saying that over the past couple years I have been using hallucinogens to fully understand myself and the world around me, unfortunately some of the discoveries I have made I could of done without. I have realized that I am very psychopathic, which I now knows is very misunderstood but serious problem, but thankfully (because of my mother) I'm a rational thinking genius, this makes for quite a difficult mind for me to explain to anyone, but don't get me wrong I do have morals, some I have learned thru hallucinogenics, unfortunately they are mostly logic-based. I realized I have alot more answeres than any normal person but the problem a few may understand, is that I now have many more questions than I have ever found answeres.
For those of you completely experienced in the mushroom hallucinogenic experience, theres is a part of the trip, usually right at peak between 4-6g of potent mushrooms, that is hard for me to deal with. Sometimes, few times, right at peak if I dont completey fade out into the world in my head, the visual hallucinations abruptly fade away, and all the sudden an intense mental hallucination begins, I start to be able to mentally respond to things before I see them visually happening, basically I know what happens before it happens, this part of the trip leaves me mute and nearly paralyzed as I get completely absorbed into the clear scene that Im seeing that seems to be directed right inside my head. 10mins later it always ends in complete visual hallucinacions and contact with seemingly a higher power. I want to know if anyone else experiences that 10mins, I need an explanation for it, I need to set up a controlled experiment, I do believe in very abstract ideas, comprehending the basic meaning behind quantum physics tends to lead into very new lines of thinking. I think the possibility is, that you instinctivly respond mentally to whats happening, while theres a delay in your visual comprehension. Really the only way I could think is sit with a pen and paper and camera recording with a group of people in a room doing their usual buisness, and then when that phase happens, to somehow ask the person to stop what they were about to do the second you hear it in your head (this would be the hardest part I think) and then force the idea to stay in your head as you scribble it down and ask them to continue doing exacly as they were... not very reliable but its a start....
Any questions? Any ideas? Any help?
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5541069 - 04/21/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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My last trip got me thinking I could sense something greater than myself, like soul. However, I think, like your contact with a perceived higher power, that my perceptions had opened to the majesty of myself as a living human. I was so in awe that I attributed these feelings to a higher power. Still, I believe that it was merely a heightened awareness of myself and my biological wondrousness.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: RedNucleus]
#5541077 - 04/21/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ill agree with what you're saying, I was just trying to put it in a manner any shroom tripper can understand.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5541088 - 04/21/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah I'm just throwing you 2 cents. I'm not "the most experienced" at all.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5541104 - 04/21/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wanna take my advice? Stop taking shrooms. Now and for ever.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: Shroomerious]
#5541123 - 04/21/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ive stopped taking shrooms for a while already, and I wish my thinking could be attributed to it, unfortunately its genetic, and mushrooms have helped me basically treat symtoms of it in public light, I never really had friends, Ive always just used people for what theyre worth and threw them out, and mushrooms has helped me curve that, aswell as mary jane, do you really think someone like me should stop?
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5541146 - 04/21/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yep. Absolutely. Stop everything. Forget that they exist. Have friends that do drugs? Don't see them while they do it. They do it all the time? Don't see them at all. Eat properly, sleep good, exercise, have fun with your family, speak to a psychologist (not a psychiatrist) once a week, if you're talking any pills, stop them very very slowly, go to a homeopathy specialised doctor. Genetic or not, like it or not, our way of thinking can change. The sooner you believe it, the sooner you start doing these things, the sooner you will recover. Did I say never NEVER never Never NEEEVER do drugs again? Any kind! There is a good reason even for mj. It is like taking a antianxiety pill. You don't let your organisms natural defenses to work and only put a veil on top of your problems.
Oh, and one more thing. When you get better, because you will, don't take drugs again.
Note: If some of these things don't apply to you just ignore them :-)
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: Shroomerious]
#5541169 - 04/21/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Youre right, mj is my anti-anxiety, and I hate the way I can become without it, but I dont really have any desire to change the way my mentality works, the more I embrace it the more power I seem to gain, and if you are serious about the term "we" you know exactly what I mean
Edit: And last I checked, mj doesnt cause or attribute to psychopathy, closest thing to it maybe scizophrenia, which I am definetly not scizophrenic, I have a harder grasp on reality than most people can understand, and it lets me tool them, how could I possibly stop, I would love to hear it
But damnit regardless of that, I really do wish you could make me care, and im telling you right now its only going to be via a logical argument...
Back to the point, does anyone else ever experience those bizzare 10mins in the trip I described?
Edited by OmEgAx1 (04/21/06 02:24 PM)
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5541600 - 04/21/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I recommend buddhism. It is not a religion but it is certainly a tool for self control.
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Edited by RedNucleus (04/21/06 04:43 PM)
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: RedNucleus]
#5541667 - 04/21/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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My advice is to start drinking heavily.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: LunarEclipse]
#5541708 - 04/21/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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honestly im not sure what to say
i know someone who when he talks he has to talk loud so he can hear himself and what he says (i think this is due to him being basically perma tripping, lots of acid in his youth) i dont know exactly why this is or how, but it seems that he percieves thought differently than your or i, could that be what is happening to you during this stage of your trip
basically your body attains a state of equillibrium so that you understand your altered thoughts, and since they are altered they perhaps take place earlier..
i duno, what your sayin doesn't make much sense
perhaps this is your body's subconscious information being displayed to you somehow..?
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: TheGus]
#5542861 - 04/22/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well the real question im asking is if anyone has ever experienced it
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5543050 - 04/22/06 01:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sometimes under high anxiety you get depersonalisation, and you feel as if what you are saying is not really you like you are not yourself etc. Why are you asking if someone else have experienced it though, people have different experiences. This is a long shot but I just want to say to you that the things that make you feel unique are the things that make all of us unique. Someone on earth must have had your experience, you are not the only one.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: Shroomerious]
#5543057 - 04/22/06 02:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I am 50. at age 45 I did the heroic dose 5 grams of shrooms under ideal circumstances. At the peak of my experience I had shed my body and then my mind entirely. i was left with only pure consciousness and at that point I wanted and needed nothing, it was sheer bliss and i heard this chorus of voices which i identified in my head as "the committee" say: "it's not up to you." and not only did this stick with me it blew my mind. I have never had the peminatory experience that you describe but it makes perfect sense to me since your mind sees way beyond tangible things into the world of pure consciousness so why couldn't you see things before they happen? As for being psychotic it sounds like you're into it, that you kind of like the idea that you're psychotic so just be it then and don't worry about anything. It seems that we all hit the wall sooner or later so just have fun for now.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5543187 - 04/22/06 05:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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OmEgAx1 said: Hello everyone, I haven't posted in a while, Ive been quite busy in my real life. But I have returned, let me start by saying that over the past couple years I have been using hallucinogens to fully understand myself and the world around me, unfortunately some of the discoveries I have made I could of done without. I have realized that I am very psychopathic, which I now knows is very misunderstood but serious problem, but thankfully (because of my mother) I'm a rational thinking genius, this makes for quite a difficult mind for me to explain to anyone, but don't get me wrong I do have morals, some I have learned thru hallucinogenics, unfortunately they are mostly logic-based.
IMHO psychopathy- like any form of evil- is the objectification of non-self. When nothing is sacred, when it's merely an object, it can be abused, tortured, denigrated, destroyed at will.
Your post is full of "I", your ability to use, abuse, manipulate others. Try helping others- the poor and homeless, the sick- and you may find they are just like you. Compassion is a wonderful thing.
OR you can be a sick fuck all your life, graduating from pulling the wings off flys to cutting the eyes our of living people. After all, you're an incredible genius and they're NOTHING BUT (an important term that) objects, things or mechanisms.
The truth is, the psychopath is the mere mechanism.
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Re: Need help. this may seem like an oversimplification [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5543202 - 04/22/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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a group of tuning forks resonate with the tones that coincide with the their tuned frequencies.
here each kareoke voice sings to the part of the chord heard in the cry of first post, or others in the cascade sequence.
what is going on in your head is also like that.
grooming what you are attuned to makes your aggregate toonyforkiness more palatable to "self and others". stay tooned
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Re: Need help. this may seem like an oversimplification [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5543224 - 04/22/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Need help. this may seem like an oversimplification [Re: Booby]
#5545201 - 04/22/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Im in the process of writing up a log from my first mushroom experience, that i can still remember perfectly to this day. It was two years go with 20grams of Philosophers Stones Truffles and 10grams of Mexicana Truffles.
( Before the recent magic mushroom ban in the UK ).
Meditated for 7hrs straight. I will relate my experience in detail later, in another post. Stay tuned!
Here is an interesting book review. Check it out.
http://jbe.gold.ac.uk/11/redmond-review.html
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5545251 - 04/22/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes I have experienced this. It got really freaky when I knew everything anybody would do or say before they did it. I would hear everything said three times, once before it was said, then when it was said, and once again afterwards. And it got old quick. In fact it sort of made me sketch, I mean what fun is the experience of life when you already know the outcome of everything. Then I sat before my turned off TV and all the secrets of everything were layed out before me. The trouble is that anything you try to bring out of this experience is usually just gibberish. Even when you write it down or tape yourself. All you see is you acting very strange, lost in your own internal world. I termed what happened to me as "cosmic awakening." You wake up and realize your place and with that comes all the knowledge of the universe. Very intense experience, happened to me on nine grams. Have not noticed many other people that have had this type of experience or can even understand any of it at all.
The major revelations are always very simple things for me. In fact, the whole experience has a way of condensing everything you know or have known throughout your entire life into it. You see how everything is important how everything matters.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: mecreateme]
#5551253 - 04/24/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"The major revelations are always very simple things for me. In fact, the whole experience has a way of condensing everything you know or have known throughout your entire life into it. You see how everything is important how everything matters. "
I can fully agree with this statement, and im glad im not alone in my experience.
And please dont insult me by calling me Psychotic, Psychotic people are just completely sick and delusional. Im a rational psychopath, maybe you need to look up the term, I have been all my life.
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Re: Need help, only from the most experienced. [Re: OmEgAx1]
#5551891 - 04/24/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What kinda of dose and frequency did you trip?
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