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Don't do coir!
    #5540129 - 04/21/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)



This is a picture of my first go at doing horse manure. Obviously I still don't know the wet weight but for a 4L capacity tray, I think it looks about 200 grammes or more with a beast in the middle which I'd estimate at at least 30G, it's twice the height of a clipper lighter and  as they're PESA they all have very dense stems :thumbup:

However, it's a very uneven pinset and not very spread out, this is at the hands of overlay I couldn't manage to stop, despite everything being in fruiting mode and having patched TWICE and cold shocking.

I think this is another example where 60/40 loses out.

Does anyone have any suggestions to whether I should patch or scratch after dunking the casing, in preparation for hopefully, a better second flush?


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5540136 - 04/21/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

how thick was the casing layer ?


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: Hippie3]
    #5540148 - 04/21/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

A tad more than 1/4 of an inch I believe.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5540150 - 04/21/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly, but coir rules as a substrate additive.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5540151 - 04/21/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

small wonder the myc. blew right thru it, then.
coir/verm casing should be thicker to
offset the increased speed of colonization.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5540254 - 04/21/06 07:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I completely disagree with your statement for using coir as a whole. I routinely use coir, about 20% of my casing, and have awesome flushes. It's all in the application and user. Doc34 would definitely argue with you on this as well. He uses coir exclusively and has had great results. The problem I find with coir and the reason to use only a small percentage, is it tends to suffocate the substrate causing a poor pin set.

Adding a small percentage of coir to the casing mix allows a nutrient source to aid with colonization, but still provides the moisture needed for the casing. I personally don't recommend the 60/40 tek, but others swear by it. I typically use 50% verm, 30%-35% peat moss, and 15%-20% coir.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: Wronguy]
    #5540834 - 04/21/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Coir IME is very good at aerating a casings structure what I have found besides the nutes it contains is that is transpires excessively compared to peat. It also hinders the transition from veg to generative modes because of the nutes, you see nutes are suppose to come from your substrate not your casing there is a reason for that now with cubies it's only going to effect your pinset and timing don't get me wrong it can work it's just not as easy and consistent as peat based casings. I know very few who are pro coir and many who are pro peat the numbers speak for themselves. Small amounts in a casing mix may not affect a casing performance as much as straight 70/30 or 60/40 verm/coir formulas and are definitely something to consider. It should be obvious by now from all the casings we've seen that are coir and peat based which perform better CONSISTANTLY.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5540855 - 04/21/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The reason that people have problems with coco coir in casings are...

they use too much coco coir and not enough verm...

and they don't use enough casing material...thickness wise.

and they wait too long to fruit the casing...they should put the casing in the fruiting chamber as soon as the mycelium is just starting to come through the casing layer.


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5541698 - 04/21/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks guys. Your experienced input is well appreaciated. But what do you think I should do to try and get better results on the second flush?


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5547089 - 04/23/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anyone?


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: HyphalTryptamin]
    #5547099 - 04/23/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Proper hydration is the biggest key for a second flush
Ralph suggests a light misting on a regular basis for best results
nice 1st


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Re: Don't do coir! [Re: Roadkill]
    #5547153 - 04/23/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Roadkill said:
The reason that people have problems with coco coir in casings are...

they use too much coco coir and not enough verm...

and they don't use enough casing material...thickness wise.

and they wait too long to fruit the casing...they should put the casing in the fruiting chamber as soon as the mycelium is just starting to come through the casing layer.


tc




I feel that this one is the most important one "and they wait too long to fruit the casing...they should put the casing in the fruiting chamber as soon as the mycelium is just starting to come through the casing layer."
I try and I try and I try to tell people to put the casings in the chamber as soon as you see the myc coming threw the coir. 1 to 4 little spots and it's time to fruit. I always used close to 65% coir if not more for the casing layer I don't recomend it but that is what worked for me. these are all 1 quart of rye with a mostly coir casing layer.
Been so long for this one I believe Malabar
South Americans (most underrated strain on earth)
PESH
Orissa
Creeper
a lot has to do with the timing of fruiting.


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