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WSB soak rotteness
    #5539411 - 04/20/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey whats up everyone. Im back, again.  :lol:

Just had a simply question about WBS simmer.

Well, I simmered them for 45 mins. Then drained in a drainer until no water dripped (about 10 mins). Then wrapped it up in several shirts to drain further.

The moisture content was on the dot. :thumbup:

However, 20 hours later, they had a bit of a sour smell. They were clean clothes so im not sure why they smelt sour. And they didnt sprout.

Do u guys think they fermentated, or whatever its called. :smirk:

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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5539459 - 04/20/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sounds like it man...toss it  :grin:





But WHY 20hrs later :crazy2: :wink:


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5539466 - 04/20/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My last 4 qurts of WBS i tryed a method that i didn't soak or simmer or anything special. PM me if you want the method. Worked GREAT for me.

100% growth in 5 days form LC and 8 from multi-spore :smile:


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5539470 - 04/20/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Been having moisture problems up the YANG.

Straining doesnt work good enough , so this was the next best thing I guess. :lol:.

GODDAMN FRICKN BIRDSEED TRYING TO RUN MY LIFE. SHIT. [/rant]

:grin:

Trying new methods to try and get it right. So far i'd done 6tango's tek, Agar's, the one I had in my sig. (easy soak and simmer but i forget who it was by, and like 3 other ones I "Invented"...lol..This being one of them...

Running out of options...Bout to turn back to BRF....hahahah..Maybe spawn it to poo or some straw, I donno.

:shrug:

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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5539504 - 04/20/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You should get them into the pc as soon as possible after hydrating them. I don't know what kind of moisture problems you are having, but I never let them drain for anywhere near 10 minutes and they always turn out fine... how long are you usually letting them sit hydrated before pcing?


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: PORkSOdA]
    #5539506 - 04/20/06 11:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

also what size jar you using and what style lid?


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5539514 - 04/20/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

really man well that's not right...brake down step by step if you have to...

now I am no expert and the elusive moister content evades me.

Have you tried Rye, I only done WBS a few times and each time, though they worked were not constant.

But with Rye, seems that it might not be easier, or maybe its more forgiving....for me I can tell where I went wrong.

been using bags that might also helps...

I have to say that my tek has not been measuring as much as with the eye, I do to calibrate myself but I want to be able to 'see' it

Not perfect of course but I have not had any major problems with it, and if I do go off I correct it...


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5539621 - 04/20/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Here is what I did the other day and i think i may just do it every time now :smile:

1) Take a pint jar (you can multiply if using bigger and i don't recomend any smaller) and put in 2/3 cup bird sead (I skim off all floaters before this point)

2) Fill up pint with water with a little room to shake

3) let sit for about an hour (I did two because i was bussy)

4)I shake a few times to get any kind of crap off the wbs

5) strain out all the crappy water and leave the wbs in the pint jar

6) add just a little shy of 1/3 cup of water into the wbs

7) take a lid and put two holes in it about 1/4 inch

8) use ear plugs (yes ear plugs) pref ones with a lip in each hole I have found that using the jar lid up side down eleminiates the vacume effect so that the ear plugs work well :smile:

9) screw the cap on and PC for about an hour maybe a little over @ 15 psi

10) let cool for atleast 12 hrs

11) knock up your WBS via syringe of your legal spore either multi-spore or LC

12) put in your TiT or what ever you have and wait

Like i had mentioned before it took about 5 days for my 2 LC jars to colinate 100% with a shake 30% way though and 8 days for my multi-spore also with a shake 30% way though.

Hope this helps, GL :smile:


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Babo911]
    #5539639 - 04/20/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



this is how my WBS look like after it was all said and done :smile:


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Babo911]
    #5539800 - 04/21/06 12:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What'd you do for the easy soak and simmer? i tried it on my first grow and it worked great for me.

I boiled water, removed pot from heat and dumped in seed, covered for 1.5 hours, then strained quickly and jared it up. I also added a little vermiculite to the jars to absorb excess moisture since i didnt strain well.

Were your easy soak and simmer WBS to dry or to wet?


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: AKtoker]
    #5539961 - 04/21/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I don't much care for actual 'simmering'. I've moved on to 'steeping'.

About 150-160F. a .5 hour simmer was getting my seeds too wet.

I'm trying something new on these last jars I did 2 days ago. They will prolly be too dry! Basically, I just brought equal volume of seed and water up to 180F and then cut the heat. I waited for it to cool to about 100F and then rinsed, strained, jarred em up, and PCed for 90minutes @ 15psi.

Triple micropore tape covered with A-foil.

It's day 2 and I have several square inches of myc. We will see if they complete without drying out or not...


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: cappa]
    #5540795 - 04/21/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

(Sorry it took so long to REPLY...Lost my goddamn connect last night, hahah)

LOL.

Quart mason jars are what I use. Never used rye, too Expensive..But a friend did and they looked amazing!

As I said before, I've tried like everyone's tek...lol...I'll Pm you about the one you used though(Babo911)

I've read way more than the average person has i'm SURE :smirk:

PF has always worked for me and for a while - so did WBS.

Now here lately, just getting fucked up the wahzoo, lol.

One of the teks I did was just a simmer (45 mins), then drain till no drippage, then put in jar, THEN, pc.

As for lids and filtration, I use polyfil and the holes the size of a regular screwdriver...

This next batch i'll be using tyvek.

I think another one of my probelms is putting to much goddamn water in the pc, hahah.

I just boiled water in it with jars and realized that the water ALMOST reaches the edge of the bottom of the lids :shocked:

So this time around I've put in way less and i've been checking it by listening to the water boil, to make sure that it's not dry.

This next batch has like 10 minutes..After pressure restablizes, i'll take them out, give them a quick shake, then place them somewhere to cool, leaving the alum. foil ON.

I also loosen the jars a LIL bit as suggested by Agar...Because...

When you pc them, the loose lid lets air out through the lid a lil bit, which helps keep all the water(and possible sugars in the wbs) from going through it. Then I tighten the lids right before I take them out and shake, that way when it sucks a bunch of air IN, it'll be perfectly filtered.

I've also noticed that my jars look GREAT coming out of the pc...then like an hour later, the wbs SWELLS like a Motherfucker and BAM, ringlets of water on every fucking piece of wbs, :lol:.

I've probably wasted a good...Hmmmm...30 pounds of wbs...lol..And more than 100hours of pcing and even more time on simmering and soaking :smirk:

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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: AKtoker]
    #5540832 - 04/21/06 11:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

AKtoker said:
What'd you do for the easy soak and simmer? i tried it on my first grow and it worked great for me.

I boiled water, removed pot from heat and dumped in seed, covered for 1.5 hours, then strained quickly and jared it up. I also added a little vermiculite to the jars to absorb excess moisture since i didnt strain well.

Were your easy soak and simmer WBS to dry or to wet?




Well it was strange actually...They came out the PC DRY looking...Which to me was GREAT, because mine are typically WET...Then like a hour later it was rather wet, the wbs fell in clumps when you shook it :frown:

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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: Babo911]
    #5540842 - 04/21/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Babo911 said:






Wow...That's about how mine looked until an hour later, :lol:...the wbs just got really wet :shrug:

I put verm. on the bottom this time, probably like 1/4th an inch or so..I PCd it...shook it a lil when it was done, but not enough to get the verm off the bottom...I let it sit over night...and I shook it this morning to let the verm. get everywhere...The verm. wasn't gooed up like I thought it'd be...It helped my moisture prob. big time :thumbup:.

I'll knock them up today and see how it goes :thumbup:

Thanks for the help, AGAIN :grin:

-Gnostic


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5540850 - 04/21/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

gnostic your makin me real nervous. Im using agars soaking wbs tek right now following his directions to the t, even his same bird seed! I hope i dont run into any problem like this. hope it works out for you though.


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: vintage_gonzo]
    #5540857 - 04/21/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My WBS Allways smells like shizit, but it still works great.


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Re: WSB soak rotteness [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #5540936 - 04/21/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

LOL.

DOn't be scared, :P....So far, i'm pretty sure i'm the only one to FUCKUP this many times on SO many different teks, lol.

I think i've got it down though, with the verm. :grin:

I use the same as him too :grin:...BIRDBASICS WHOOO. lol

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