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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5551112 - 04/24/06 01:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Life feeds on life. That is the nature of it. Saying "killing an animal to eat is bad karma" is bullshit. How do you know? How do you know that killing a plant to eat is not JUST AS BAD? Life feeds on life - this is necessary. The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5551702 - 04/24/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

except you kill the berries who contains many tiny berrie-babies :grin:


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: veggie]
    #5553580 - 04/25/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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The site saltwaterfish.com is advertising this foxface rabbitfish (Lo vulpinus) for just $29.99 (including shipping) with a 15 day survival guarantee. 




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That was a given!~

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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: Roadkill]
    #5555336 - 04/25/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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EquilibriuM said:
The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.




Nope, I'm prolife, and I say that a seed is a living plant immediately after conception.

Seriously, if you knew how retarded you sound quoting awful Tool songs and using terrible logic you'd shut up immediately. He couldn't "hang with the logic" because you have the shittiest sense of logic ever. You say that a plant might be alive because you can't ask it if it's alive, but then you say nuts and berries aren't alive because, for some reason, the same rule doesn't apply.

And the only reason one cannot present proof as to why a blade of grass doesn't feel itself being stepped on is because the notion is too fucking stupid. Present to me proof that rocks don't feel.

I actually thought you were saying something interesting (even if I disagreed) until you turned out to be a dumb and pompous asshole.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: FeveredEgo]
    #5556067 - 04/25/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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FeveredEgo said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.




Nope, I'm prolife, and I say that a seed is a living plant immediately after conception.

Seriously, if you knew how retarded you sound quoting awful Tool songs and using terrible logic you'd shut up immediately. He couldn't "hang with the logic" because you have the shittiest sense of logic ever. You say that a plant might be alive because you can't ask it if it's alive, but then you say nuts and berries aren't alive because, for some reason, the same rule doesn't apply.

And the only reason one cannot present proof as to why a blade of grass doesn't feel itself being stepped on is because the notion is too fucking stupid. Present to me proof that rocks don't feel.

I actually thought you were saying something interesting (even if I disagreed) until you turned out to be a dumb and pompous asshole.




LMAO you actually believe what you are saying???? "A PLANT MIGHT BE ALIVE" ?!?!? LOL I assumed everybody already agreed that plants are obviously alive. WOW... and you sit there and call me stupid... plants and animals are things that most people on earth agree do indeed live and die. You can witness the life of a plant with your eyes (really I promise you can  :shocked:) The notion that plants can indeed feel is "too fucking stupid" only because of your perspective. But fortunately, we are not here to talk about your perspective, we are here to talk about Gods perspective.

Most people, when they talk about karma, are really saying, "God likes that" or "God doesn't like that" ..... Hold on, hold on.... before you bash me on that... keep in mind that when I use the word God here, I am referring to something higher then the Ego. It could be the superego, some unseen force of life or spirit, or God in the traditional sense.

When someone says "its bad karma to kill an animal" but eat plants with no remorse, that person is not looking at it from the perspective of "God." I hope that we can all agree that life IS energy. When you in the womb you are feeding off your mothers energy when you are born you still feed off your mothers energy for a little while, then later you start getting energy for yourself, be it through the life and death of plants and/or animals.

When a plant is born into this world, it gets energy from its mother as well. The mother has stored energy into the seed that the plant can live off for a given period of time before it is required to gather its own energy. After that, the plant will gather its energy from the soil which itself is a palette of many forms of energy created out of the death of both animals and other plants.

See, plants and animals are just different forms of energy, who are we to say that God thinks one is better or worse then another?


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: FeveredEgo]
    #5556417 - 04/25/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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FeveredEgo said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.




I'm prolife, and I say that a seed is a living plant immediately after conception.




Wouldnt that belief more apropriatly be called Pro-death? Because if you dont eat anything your not going to live very long...


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: veggie]
    #5559743 - 04/26/06 06:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I hope im interrupting..

anyway,

Quote:

giz said:
Also scorpions are used as a drug in certain parts of the world, ie afghanistan. And you have toads with tryptamines and whatnot, I had a list somewhere over psycadelic fishes, I belive there was around 10 species (that is known, the ocean is probably full of goodies we havent encountered yet) maybe it was more, i doubt it was less.




What kind of scorpions are you talking about?

And to get back to the real topic, didn't the article say that the fish get the hallucinogens from the algae they eat and phytoplankton?


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: knowhereman]
    #5560100 - 04/26/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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knowhereman said:
I hope im interrupting..

anyway,

Quote:

giz said:
Also scorpions are used as a drug in certain parts of the world, ie afghanistan. And you have toads with tryptamines and whatnot, I had a list somewhere over psycadelic fishes, I belive there was around 10 species (that is known, the ocean is probably full of goodies we havent encountered yet) maybe it was more, i doubt it was less.




What kind of scorpions are you talking about?

And to get back to the real topic, didn't the article say that the fish get the hallucinogens from the algae they eat and phytoplankton?




"Indoles, with similar chemical effects to LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) are believed to be responsible and may be consumed when the fish eat algae or phytoplankton containing the chemicals."

Actually, yeah! damn I must have not processed that ever important bit of information.... If thats correct, might as well throw that whole argument out the window... damn.

Good job pointing that out.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5560465 - 04/26/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

FeveredEgo said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.




Nope, I'm prolife, and I say that a seed is a living plant immediately after conception.

Seriously, if you knew how retarded you sound quoting awful Tool songs and using terrible logic you'd shut up immediately. He couldn't "hang with the logic" because you have the shittiest sense of logic ever. You say that a plant might be alive because you can't ask it if it's alive, but then you say nuts and berries aren't alive because, for some reason, the same rule doesn't apply.

And the only reason one cannot present proof as to why a blade of grass doesn't feel itself being stepped on is because the notion is too fucking stupid. Present to me proof that rocks don't feel.

I actually thought you were saying something interesting (even if I disagreed) until you turned out to be a dumb and pompous asshole.




LMAO you actually believe what you are saying???? "A PLANT MIGHT BE ALIVE" ?!?!? LOL I assumed everybody already agreed that plants are obviously alive. WOW... and you sit there and call me stupid... plants and animals are things that most people on earth agree do indeed live and die. You can witness the life of a plant with your eyes (really I promise you can  :shocked:) The notion that plants can indeed feel is "too fucking stupid" only because of your perspective. But fortunately, we are not here to talk about your perspective, we are here to talk about Gods perspective.

Most people, when they talk about karma, are really saying, "God likes that" or "God doesn't like that" ..... Hold on, hold on.... before you bash me on that... keep in mind that when I use the word God here, I am referring to something higher then the Ego. It could be the superego, some unseen force of life or spirit, or God in the traditional sense.

When someone says "its bad karma to kill an animal" but eat plants with no remorse, that person is not looking at it from the perspective of "God." I hope that we can all agree that life IS energy. When you in the womb you are feeding off your mothers energy when you are born you still feed off your mothers energy for a little while, then later you start getting energy for yourself, be it through the life and death of plants and/or animals.

When a plant is born into this world, it gets energy from its mother as well. The mother has stored energy into the seed that the plant can live off for a given period of time before it is required to gather its own energy. After that, the plant will gather its energy from the soil which itself is a palette of many forms of energy created out of the death of both animals and other plants.

See, plants and animals are just different forms of energy, who are we to say that God thinks one is better or worse then another?




I never once said a plant is not alive, and you totally didn't catch what I was saying. Notice the words "you said" ... I was mocking your logic. My point was that you are declaring a plant's consciousness using the same logic that would declare a berry's consciousness, but you claim that a berry is not so.

Anyway, I don't think one is better or worse than the other, but I certainly think that one is conscious of itself and the other is not.

And I thought you would at least have gotten the humor in my prolife statement -- It was a goddamn blatant joke, man.

I wasn't even trying to disprove that a plant is conscious, because I really don't give a shit one way or the other. I was just irritated because I think your logic is faulty, and that would not have bothered me at all if you hadn't been so pompous about it. Regardless, I have to admit I was being a dick too. No hard feelings, +5 shrooms.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5560474 - 04/26/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

O.K. now you should be able to work on harvesting the algae instead of senselessly slaughtering an entire species of fish. Awesome! Great job guys!

Hope the algae feels no pain!


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: FeveredEgo]
    #5561069 - 04/26/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

FeveredEgo said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

FeveredEgo said:
Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
The only way to avoid it is to eat nuts and berries - things that you don't have to kill to eat.




Nope, I'm prolife, and I say that a seed is a living plant immediately after conception.

Seriously, if you knew how retarded you sound quoting awful Tool songs and using terrible logic you'd shut up immediately. He couldn't "hang with the logic" because you have the shittiest sense of logic ever. You say that a plant might be alive because you can't ask it if it's alive, but then you say nuts and berries aren't alive because, for some reason, the same rule doesn't apply.

And the only reason one cannot present proof as to why a blade of grass doesn't feel itself being stepped on is because the notion is too fucking stupid. Present to me proof that rocks don't feel.

I actually thought you were saying something interesting (even if I disagreed) until you turned out to be a dumb and pompous asshole.




LMAO you actually believe what you are saying???? "A PLANT MIGHT BE ALIVE" ?!?!? LOL I assumed everybody already agreed that plants are obviously alive. WOW... and you sit there and call me stupid... plants and animals are things that most people on earth agree do indeed live and die. You can witness the life of a plant with your eyes (really I promise you can  :shocked:) The notion that plants can indeed feel is "too fucking stupid" only because of your perspective. But fortunately, we are not here to talk about your perspective, we are here to talk about Gods perspective.

Most people, when they talk about karma, are really saying, "God likes that" or "God doesn't like that" ..... Hold on, hold on.... before you bash me on that... keep in mind that when I use the word God here, I am referring to something higher then the Ego. It could be the superego, some unseen force of life or spirit, or God in the traditional sense.

When someone says "its bad karma to kill an animal" but eat plants with no remorse, that person is not looking at it from the perspective of "God." I hope that we can all agree that life IS energy. When you in the womb you are feeding off your mothers energy when you are born you still feed off your mothers energy for a little while, then later you start getting energy for yourself, be it through the life and death of plants and/or animals.

When a plant is born into this world, it gets energy from its mother as well. The mother has stored energy into the seed that the plant can live off for a given period of time before it is required to gather its own energy. After that, the plant will gather its energy from the soil which itself is a palette of many forms of energy created out of the death of both animals and other plants.

See, plants and animals are just different forms of energy, who are we to say that God thinks one is better or worse then another?




I never once said a plant is not alive, and you totally didn't catch what I was saying. Notice the words "you said" ... I was mocking your logic. My point was that you are declaring a plant's consciousness using the same logic that would declare a berry's consciousness, but you claim that a berry is not so.

Anyway, I don't think one is better or worse than the other, but I certainly think that one is conscious of itself and the other is not.

And I thought you would at least have gotten the humor in my prolife statement -- It was a goddamn blatant joke, man.

I wasn't even trying to disprove that a plant is conscious, because I really don't give a shit one way or the other. I was just irritated because I think your logic is faulty, and that would not have bothered me at all if you hadn't been so pompous about it. Regardless, I have to admit I was being a dick too. No hard feelings, +5 shrooms.




I do get what you were saying, but the berry/rock argument is another argument entirely, due to the fact to we cant all agree that berries are a form of life. By the way, I didn't come up with this logic myself, people actually live by this.... so it might not be as far off as some of you seem to think. A form of monks, believe that their purpose is to not build any karma in their life. They don't kill anything to live, plants or animals. They survive by eating that which they do not have to kill (fruits/nuts/berries). I was not being pompous, I was being straight forward.... I hate it when people hide from the truth and occasionally will call them out on it.




How is my logic faulty?

.....................................

Animals are alive.

Plants are also alive.

If killing animals is bad,

Then killing plants must also be bad.

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Find fault in that?


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5561078 - 04/26/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Microcosmatrix said:
O.K. now you should be able to work on harvesting the algae instead of senselessly slaughtering an entire species of fish. Awesome! Great job guys!

Hope the algae feels no pain!




It pains me to have attempted to debate you and running into the metaphorical brick wall surrounding your spirit.  :frown:


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: knowhereman]
    #5561566 - 04/27/06 02:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

knowhereman said:
I hope im interrupting..

anyway,

Quote:

giz said:
Also scorpions are used as a drug in certain parts of the world, ie afghanistan. And you have toads with tryptamines and whatnot, I had a list somewhere over psycadelic fishes, I belive there was around 10 species (that is known, the ocean is probably full of goodies we havent encountered yet) maybe it was more, i doubt it was less.




What kind of scorpions are you talking about?

And to get back to the real topic, didn't the article say that the fish get the hallucinogens from the algae they eat and phytoplankton?




read these two
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1124019/posts#comment
http://www.pcpafg.org/Organizations/undcp/communitydrug.htm


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5562246 - 04/27/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

EquilibriuM said:
Quote:

Microcosmatrix said:
O.K. now you should be able to work on harvesting the algae instead of senselessly slaughtering an entire species of fish. Awesome! Great job guys!

Hope the algae feels no pain!




It pains me to have attempted to debate you and running into the metaphorical brick wall surrounding your spirit.  :frown:




But my wall is made of laughter, in fact I'm laughing quite hard at this thread right now,  LOL


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5562321 - 04/27/06 10:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can make it out of whatever you want... its still a wall that protects you from the thoughts of others.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5562328 - 04/27/06 10:31 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Let's get a motel by the beach, lots of fish there and we can get drunk and smoke fat blunts then go lookin' for sluts!  :hatsoff:


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5562365 - 04/27/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I love the ocean. :rastamon:


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5562654 - 04/27/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Me too. Too bad right now I'm a mile above it.


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5562781 - 04/27/06 01:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, I'm a couple hundred miles from it myself...  :undecided:


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Re: Men hallucinate after eating fish [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5562792 - 04/27/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm gonna try and get a travelin' van by this summer and if I do I'm gonna hit cali. :thumbup:


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