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Proving a negative
    #5535091 - 04/19/06 09:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"You can't prove a negative" -- conventional wisdom



If the moon's surface is made out of rock, then it is not made out of jello.
The moon's surface has been shown to be made out of rock.
Therefore, the moon's surface is not made out of jello.
QED


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5535109 - 04/19/06 09:48 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

More properly: you can't prove contingent non-existentials.

In English: you can't prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist. No matter how many places you look and see He is not there, there will always be other places you haven't checked yet.

However, you can prove that there is no ball that is entirely green and entirely red.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5535137 - 04/19/06 09:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

The surface of a Moon Pie is made out of Chocolate....

(but they also have Vanilla,  Banana, Orange, Lemon or Strawberry flavored surfaces....)

That many different surfaces ROCKS....!    :lol:


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Diploid]
    #5535148 - 04/19/06 09:55 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
However, you can prove that there is no ball that is entirely green and entirely red.




Hypercolor.....    :wink:


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Diploid]
    #5535874 - 04/20/06 12:36 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

why would you want to prove fsr doesn't exist when he's right there on his website waving his noodly appendage at you?


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5536189 - 04/20/06 02:32 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"You can't prove a negative [empirically]"


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5536771 - 04/20/06 10:19 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

to thread:
You only can prove a negative in limited space and time.
"There are no clothes in the cupboard !"
"This cupboard contains no clothes now, but it contained some yesterday"
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Re: Proving a negative [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5536861 - 04/20/06 11:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

all u can prove is 1's and 0's


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: fresh313]
    #5536920 - 04/20/06 11:31 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'd say all you can assume are 1's and 0's.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Shroomerious]
    #5537023 - 04/20/06 12:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

u can assume between 1 and 0 thats what makes it go digital


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: fresh313]
    #5537032 - 04/20/06 12:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Don't go Plastic.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5537034 - 04/20/06 12:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

recycle plz


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: fresh313]
    #5537880 - 04/20/06 04:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ofcourse not. Digital means that the values in between are assumed to be either 1 or 0 if that is what you mean. Otherwise it would be analogic.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: fresh313]
    #5537891 - 04/20/06 04:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Sry I didn't see the reply...I'm a little tired, been up doing stuff from very early in the morning and itnow is 23:00 here...Pfff. I think I'll go to bed.

Oh, and by the way, I understood your point and meant the same thing from a different perspective but I am too tired to get into it right now. Point is we agree.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5538151 - 04/20/06 05:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
"You can't prove a negative" -- conventional wisdom



If the moon's surface is made out of rock, then it is not made out of jello.
The moon's surface has been shown to be made out of rock.
Therefore, the moon's surface is not made out of jello.
QED




The moon landing was fake. They just don't want us to know that the moon is made up of delicious jello.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Redstorm]
    #5538659 - 04/20/06 08:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
The moon landing was fake. They just don't want us to know that the moon is made up of delicious jello.




Those jello-extracting missions are treacherous! :grin: Also, the mining equipment doesn't hold up very well when they strike a pineapple deposit. :smirk:

I wonder what the experience would be like to step upon a ball of jello the size of the moon.....  :eek:

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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Silversoul]
    #5538727 - 04/20/06 08:32 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Indeed, logic and rationality are amazing tools to discern patterns and make inductions and deductions. :thumbup:


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Diploid]
    #5539810 - 04/21/06 02:41 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
More properly: you can't prove contingent non-existentials.

In English: you can't prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist. No matter how many places you look and see He is not there, there will always be other places you haven't checked yet.

However, you can prove that there is no ball that is entirely green and entirely red.




That's because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a false prophet and we all should worship the Swimming Spaghetti Monster, who can also fly.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Wysefool]
    #5540582 - 04/21/06 12:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

:boxerface:


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5540894 - 04/21/06 02:17 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

you all assume that logic is what can prove everythign about objective existance

"However, you can prove that there is no ball that is entirely green and entirely red."

yah,it doesnt fit into our little logic rules,but who's to say there isnt something like that "out there" ,like the flying spaghetti monster

once you udnerstand that we actually know NOTHING about what anythign ACTUALLY is,that the very extent of our understanding is only within ORGANIZING things,and not understanding them (however it is "you" do that) then you see that truth is entertainment,because who really fucking knows,or could ever know and explain?


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: krin]
    #5540904 - 04/21/06 02:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"then you see that truth is entertainment,because who really fucking knows,or could ever know and explain? "

True, but you shouldn't rule out the fact that for a lot people, talking about philosophical matters is entertainment as well. +That there always is the hope that you will learn something new.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: krin]
    #5540907 - 04/21/06 02:23 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I suppose what you mean is seize the day right?


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: Diploid]
    #5540942 - 04/21/06 02:38 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

More properly: you can't prove contingent non-existentials.

precisely.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: krin]
    #5540950 - 04/21/06 02:40 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

There are things we know. We can learn about the world as human brains interpret it. It is not the real world perceived directly, and we all know this. However, like you said we organize observations. There are a lot of constants about perception that persist for most everyone. People have 2 arms and 2 legs. We may be missing the reality that we have infinite arms in every moment of time, all at our command, if we only had more advanced brains. Or something. But we as humans understand this, and seek to find the order not in the world as it truly exists, but as it exists in the minds of we who live in it.

In my opinion, a better picture of truth (than the previous sentence) is an impossible achievement, and cannot be expected. Our maximum capacity may well be blind, dumb, small creatures, compared to all that exists to be known. We strive to be more anyway, because we can strive. Toward the end of his life, Einstein wrote a note about how he was just a dim-witted creature. We all are. I don't think it's any reason to ignore all that we have accomplished, insignificant as it is.


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Re: Proving a negative [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5543222 - 04/22/06 08:34 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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People have 2 arms and 2 legs. We may be missing the reality that we have infinite arms in every moment of time, all at our command, if we only had more advanced brains.




What about the reality that some people don't have two arms or two legs? :smirk:

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Re: Proving a negative [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5543308 - 04/22/06 10:21 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Are you really asking this or just joking? Sry I didn't understand...


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