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Exxon/Mobil boycott
#5534288 - 04/19/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Will the Exxon/Mobil boycott work? Why or why not?
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534302 - 04/19/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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No, because they don't set the price of oil - the market sets the price of oil.
And you can't just boycott the entire oil market, unless you like not having anything modern 
Plus no one ever goes along with these things anyway.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534306 - 04/19/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It won't work because enough people won't boycott them.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534400 - 04/19/06 05:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Will the Exxon/Mobil boycott work? Why or why not?
These sorts of things will never work because people these days don't have the balls. They just like to whine.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5534440 - 04/19/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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trendal said: No, because they don't set the price of oil - the market sets the price of oil.
And you can't just boycott the entire oil market, unless you like not having anything modern 
Plus no one ever goes along with these things anyway.
i dont buy any gas!! 
cause i dont drive
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Deadmaker]
#5534447 - 04/19/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not so much a question of not having the balls, as it is the balls being directly supported by the cushion of oil.
Most people (99.9999%) couldn't survive in today's world without oil. It's a fundamental part of our lives. Most people don't want to be reminded of that fact, I think, so they avoid any decrease in consumption because even a small or short one might remind them of the truth.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: eligal]
#5534457 - 04/19/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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eligal said: i dont buy any gas!! 
cause i dont drive
Neither do I, but we're still causing the use of gas.
Everything you buy is brought to where you buy with gas or diesel.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5534464 - 04/19/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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trendal said:
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eligal said: i dont buy any gas!! 
cause i dont drive
Neither do I, but we're still causing the use of gas.
Everything you buy is brought to where you buy with gas or diesel.
well that answers the question of this thread doesnt it...
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5534567 - 04/19/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not to mention pretty much everything we buy contains something composed of petroleum products.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5534581 - 04/19/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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trendal said: No, because they don't set the price of oil - the market sets the price of oil.
And you can't just boycott the entire oil market, unless you like not having anything modern 
Plus no one ever goes along with these things anyway.
It's not about boycotting all oil companies. We're only talking about Exxon/Mobil. Supposedly, if you boycott Exxon/Mobil they will have to lower their prices.
I do not believe that oil companies have no control over the price of oil. That seems like an excuse they use to justify gouging everyone with sky high gas prices.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534598 - 04/19/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Won't work. Not enough people care, and even less will actually participate.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: daimyo]
#5534606 - 04/19/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the people care, there's just not enough organization.
If it became more widely know then I think it could work.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534634 - 04/19/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Supposedly, if you boycott Exxon/Mobil they will have to lower their prices.
Even if you could get the whole country to stop buying gas at Exxon/Mobil stations, they would find other buyers at the market price. It would also raise the price everywhere else, because there would be less gasoline to go around to the same number of people.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534635 - 04/19/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Macro economic theory disagrees with you.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5534715 - 04/19/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why would it raise gas prices and why would there be less gas to go around? It's like getting everyone to buy RC Cola in order to get Pepsi and Coke to lower their prices, right?
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534729 - 04/19/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think he is saying...If we don't buy it, someone else will. If they buy it, we don't have it. If we don't have it, price goes up.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534735 - 04/19/06 06:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Less people buying gas = exporting it at a greater cost to compensate for said lost money?
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534741 - 04/19/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Exxon/Mobile is the largest transnational corporation. its good to see some people interested in taking part against what they do, but they own the second largest oil reserve in the world. I'm sorry, but a couple of days of boycotting isn't going to help.
There will have be a huge shift in the way we do business as a world, especially since oil reserves will reach their peak in the next 5-10 years. This means half of the world's oil supply will be exhausted. when this happens, the increasing demand will meet decreasing supply. this is detrimental since everything will be more expensive, since demand will outstrip supply.
Inflation at this state will take over. food will be more expensive, clean water will be more expensive, transportation will be more expensive; this means GDP will go down, since the value of imports and exports will go up. Even the shipping of materials (ship and plane) are going to be more expensive which has an impact on global GDP and GNP.
At this point, wages will have to go down in order for businesses to keep their profits afloat, and then what? these are some serious issues that go well beyond a simple boycott
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: kaiowas]
#5534779 - 04/19/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just to clarify once again. No one is suggesting boycotting ALL oil. ONLY Exxon/Mobil will be boycotted.
Also, this is NOT a one day thing. We're talking about buying oil from competitors of Exxon/Mobil for the rest of the year (at least).
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5534811 - 04/19/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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but does anyone ever buy gas from them anyway? they are always the two most epxensive gas stations around me.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5535027 - 04/19/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Why would it raise gas prices and why would there be less gas to go around? It's like getting everyone to buy RC Cola in order to get Pepsi and Coke to lower their prices, right?
Because then everyone will be buying their gas from the other gas companies, hence the gas that they have now has to make up for the sales they would already make plus all the sales that Exxon/Mobil used to make.
If everyone who drank Pepsi and Coke started to buy RC Cola, then the price of RC Cola would go way up at least temporarily (until they can ramp up production - which right now NONE of the oil co's can do). There would probably be an actual shortage of RC Cola - meaning some people who want some would have to go entirely without...while the people who do manage to get some would be bidding the price up against eachother just to get any cola at all.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5535107 - 04/19/06 07:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm guessin that .gif in the first post represents blood for oil. I hear people say all the time that we (U.S.) is only interested in the middle east because of oil. What is so wrong about that?
Wars throughout history have been fought over resources; land, water, oil. Do you realize that if OPEC cut off our oil completely, and after we drained our reserves...our country/economy would collapse?
Most of the people that are fighting right now are volunteers, and unless you want to go fight to maintain our way of life...drop it.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5535113 - 04/19/06 07:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe the RC Cola analogy wasn't the best I could have used, but I couldn't think of anything else. It seems to me that if you started buying from the compeditors of Exxon/Mobil, of which there could be many, Exxon/Mobil would have to lower their prices to bring back customers. There are probably many other companies out there and I am thinking that they would not run out of oil. They would just get more. Why couldn't every other company just buy more??
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5535144 - 04/19/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It seems to me that if you started buying from the compeditors of Exxon/Mobil, of which there could be many, Exxon/Mobil would have to lower their prices to bring back customers
Once again, they don't set the price of oil. If they did, then some oil companies would have better deals than others...but that's not the case. All oil companies sell oil at around the same price - depending mostly on the quality of the oil - and that price is set on the oil exchanges by market forces.
If everyone in America stopped buying from Exxon/Mobil, then they would just go sell their precious precious black gold elsewhere - and they would find customers elsewhere, at the market price.
There are probably many other companies out there and I am thinking that they would not run out of oil.
There aren't many oil majors. That's why they're called "oil majors" 
The capital involved in exploring and drilling for oil, as well as refining it into a useable product, is far beyond what most corporations can afford.
They would just get more. Why couldn't every other company just buy more??
Because there's not much more to be had. That's the whole reason oil/gas prices are this high to begin with - search Peak Oil for the explanation, I've explained it one too many times as is.
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LloydChristmas said: I'm guessin that .gif in the first post represents blood for oil. I hear people say all the time that we (U.S.) is only interested in the middle east because of oil. What is so wrong about that?
Wars throughout history have been fought over resources; land, water, oil. Do you realize that if OPEC cut off our oil completely, and after we drained our reserves...our country/economy would collapse?
Most of the people that are fighting right now are volunteers, and unless you want to go fight to maintain our way of life...drop it.
I think this is the wrong attitude.
No one else in the world ought to pay for our excessive, unsustainable lifestyle, and instead of making war to sustain that lifestyle, we ought to accept the fact that we will eventually need to change it.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: trendal]
#5535454 - 04/19/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmmm...what you say sounds possible. I hope you're wrong, Trendal. This one time, I hope you're wrong.
Can someone please explain why Shroomery member #7550, Trendal, is wrong??
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5535519 - 04/19/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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He's wrong because I own oil and I'll sell you a gallon for 1 dollar.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5535563 - 04/19/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Check your PMs.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#5535687 - 04/19/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Haven't owned a car in >10 years. I get everywhere by cycle.
Gotta admit I get a good chuckle out of gas prices. But I don't laugh too hard because everything I buy is affected by high gas prices.
But ultimately high gas prices are good. Why? Glad you asked...
When you make something more expensive, less people will buy it. The less gas bought, the less polution people create.
Frankly, I wish it'd hit $6/gal.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: splifner180]
#5535811 - 04/19/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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$2.96 a gallon of 87 octane in socal.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: Learyfan]
#5535892 - 04/19/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Hmmm...what you say sounds possible. I hope you're wrong, Trendal. This one time, I hope you're wrong.
Can someone please explain why Shroomery member #7550, Trendal, is wrong??
sorry, he's not very wrong. we aren't about to run out of oil, we are reaching the halfway point. as trendal said before, look up Peak Oil. I wrote the reasoning behind peak oil in a very quick and general way in this thread. its all common sense.
we've got 5-10, maybe 15 years till peak inflation kicks our ass. and even then Peak oil isn't the only major problem the world is running into at this time. you've got lack of usable water, a change in the Gulf stream due to the shrinking north pole (1/3 gone in 25 years), leading to a see level rise which will have to move about 250 million people who live on island nations.
each of these is oging to have a drastic effect on GNP and GDP.
in a global economy, if a huge economy goes under, the rest follow suit.
going back to oil, china and india are developing at a very fast rate, makign the peak come even sooner. population can only increase while the supply can only decrease.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: kaiowas]
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try and buy your gas from chevron. chevron is a venuzalian company, so at least the profits are controlled by Hugo Chavez. Chavez has been using his country's oil wealth to help the poor people in his country, payback the foriegn debt of other south american countries, and he even donated winter heating oil to poor residents of Boston and New York this winter.
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Re: Exxon/Mobil boycott [Re: kaiowas]
#5535935 - 04/19/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm....now that's something to think about.
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