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Honey Teq SLOOOOW
    #5533974 - 04/19/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, so I prepared some jars with water and honey, and to sterilize I put them in boiling water for a while (around an hour). I noticed a small amount of the honey had solidified and separated from the liquid, this had not happened any previous times I've used this teq.

I let the jars cool to room temperature and injected spores.

I have done this teq before, and last time it only took 4-5 days for me to notice growth. However this time it's been ~10 days and I see nothing.

Is there anything I can do to help the process at this point/how do I know when the attempt is ruined for sure?


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Re: Honey Teq SLOOOOW [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5535764 - 04/19/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Even if the sugar ratio is too high and your LC is stalled, you should still be able to see some tiny, itzy, bitzy fluff. If not, toss them and redo. I'm not sure why the little buggers don't like caramelized sugars, but it seems they don't. Try 15 minutes on the boil. LCs are liquid and come to the boiling point quickly, compared to spawn jars with all that air between the grains. You're not going to nail endospores, so sterilization is not guaranteed, but LCs don't start with the same endospore problem that grains do, so a 15 minute boil usually works, and if not, it's fast and easy to start again. I've yet to have a contam on a 15 minute boil, but I've heard of a lot of caramelization problems with half hour boils, much less an hour.

If you must boil an hour, then go ahead, but don't add the honey until 15 minutes before the end of the boil. There won't be much contamination in the honey itself, due to the high sugar content, and its natural antibiotic properties.


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Re: Honey Teq SLOOOOW [Re: mogur]
    #5536141 - 04/20/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

mogurs' got it.  Caramelized sugar :frown:


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Re: Honey Teq SLOOOOW [Re: shroomballa]
    #5536427 - 04/20/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, 1 hour is WAY long
i never do more than about 15 minutes


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Re: Honey Teq SLOOOOW [Re: Optx]
    #5536573 - 04/20/06 05:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

He said boiling water though, not a PC, 100C should not carmelise the sugars (I think)


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Re: Honey Teq SLOOOOW [Re: blackout]
    #5537115 - 04/20/06 10:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You would think so, since when you intentionally caramelize sugar for candy making, the liquid needs to reach 338F. But, I don't know why, it will caramelize in a boiling 4% solution in about 20 minutes. If that's not the right term for it, at least the effect is that the sugars fall out of solution and sink to the bottom of the jar. It's the term most growers have used for it, so I just stuck to convention.


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