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Telekinesis
#5533770 - 04/19/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I read on these website about moving things with your mind. I did it with a pinwheel. It was very cool! Anyone do any larger objects?
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Can you link me to some good site? thanks and peace
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I don't neccessarily believe in telekinisis for I have yet to see it performed. Maybe you were hallucinating it.
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Oh definately cool !! I started this back when I was 16 I think. Just made a new pinwheel a couple days ago. Have already spun the thing at least 20 times in a row, first night back. Of coarse, these last 3 days I havnt been able to be as consistant. Try it out...helps pass the time.
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> try this one to start
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You can probably already guess what your mission is. Make the paper thing spin on the needle. Be really careful with this thing, it's extremely sensitive to wind and air currents. A whisper from 5 feet away can make it move. Just relax and let it flow like all the other exercises.
Of course, they don't tell you to put a glass bowl over it... probably 'cause they can never get it to spin that way. I have played with these pinwheels, and the warm air rising off my hands was enough to cause the thing to spin. It is trivial to convince yourself that something magical is going on, especially when you want to believe. However, when you start to play the scientist and remove all sources of external force (other than thought), the thing stops spinning.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Seuss]
#5561979 - 04/27/06 08:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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if u could do that for james randi, you could be a millionaire.
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
(he just got out of surgery, but that should give you enough time to practice)
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: kotik]
#5572173 - 04/29/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The Raven is Blood........They are all going to laugh at you!!!!!
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Seuss]
#5606889 - 05/08/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is HIGHLY unlikely that the "warm air" rising from your hands it enough to spin the wheel... you hand does not heat a very large area around it, as heat goes upwards and not horizontal.
Also, you shouldn't speak before doing even the tiniest bit of research...
Go to the aforementioned link, and proceed to the "media" section.
In there you will find precisely what you requested.
After practicing verrrry loosely for about 8 months+ I was able to move it under glass barriers. It did feel much more difficult, but I'de imagine it is purely a psychological barrier that will wear away with time.
For those of you looking to progress: Telekinesis is a very showy but ultimately useless talent which is why many people don't choose to invest the amount of time it requires to advance to a good level... Also, telekinesis practice is as I'm sure you can imagine, verrrry boring, at least at the begining stages(I'm still a beginner, so I don't know if it becomes easier with time...). TK is very interesting ... much can be extrapolated from confirmation of it's mere existance, but because it lacks real fruits other than a reeeealy impressive party trick(which ACTUALLY, may have been worth it after it , you'll most likely abandon it quickly and before much progress.
Good luck in whatever you decide.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: kotik]
#5606899 - 05/08/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm too tired to debate on Randi.
Do your own research(googling)
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5606973 - 05/08/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you don't like Randi, these three also have millions of dollars on the table awaiting the first ever demonstration of TK in a proper test: 
The Premanand Challenge: http://www.indian-skeptic.org/html/rules.htm
The Australian Skeptics Challenge: http://www.skeptics.com.au/index.html
The Science and Rationalists' Challenge: http://humanists.net/avijit/prabir/sra.htm
I would LOVE for someone to win one. Seriously.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Diploid]
#5607036 - 05/08/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for the links.
Perhaps someday...
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5607042 - 05/08/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why wait? Don't you wanna get rich?
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Diploid]
#5607230 - 05/09/06 12:40 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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id like to know what you have against randi. or is it just because hes a skeptic?
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5607725 - 05/09/06 07:27 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> It is HIGHLY unlikely that the "warm air" rising from your hands it enough to spin the wheel...
I have done it and you can do it too. Make a small pinwheel and balance it on the end of a pin. I used a small bit of aluminum foil on the end of a push pin. Put the pinwheel on a table away from drafts. Notice that it doesn't spin. Now, place you hand under one edge of the pinwheel. Notice that it starts to spin. Take your hand away and it stops again.
I noticed the above when I was using my hands to try and stop air flow from getting to the pinwheel. After a lot of work, I was able to isolate the position of my hand as the cause. After a lot more work, I was able to show that the warm air rising off my hand was spinning the pinwheel.
Yes, I showed it, not guessed. I constructed a schlieren system that allowed me to visualize the changes in air density around the pinwheel. It was very obvious that the air warmed by my hands was causing the pinwheel to spin. I could literally see the hot air rising off my hand and interacting with the pinwheel blades.
> as heat goes upwards and not horizontal.
Actually, no. If you want to debate science, I suggest you take a few college level science classes such as physics and chemistry. Heat does not go upwards... rather, cold air is more dense the warm air, thus in the presence of gravity, cold air will sink pushing the warm air upwards. Gravity is required. In the microgravity of space for example, hot smoke does not rise nor does cold air sink.
> Also, you shouldn't speak before doing even the tiniest bit of research...
Heh... I did quite a lot of research. It took me almost a week, and around $400 in optics (two large 6" parabolic mirrors), to build the schlieren system. I had a good lamp, some optics, power source, stand and slit already available which saved some money, but the mirrors were an expensive part of the setup.
> Why wait? Don't you wanna get rich?
There is always an excuse... it is such a hassle to collect a few million dollars that it is hardly worth it. 
I am not debating Telekinesis, but I am defending my original post in which I claimed that the air warmed by my hand was enough to spin a pinwheel.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Seuss]
#5608197 - 05/09/06 10:42 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"I have done it and you can do it too. Make a small pinwheel and balance it on the end of a pin. I used a small bit of aluminum foil on the end of a push pin. Put the pinwheel on a table away from drafts. Notice that it doesn't spin. Now, place you hand under one edge of the pinwheel. Notice that it starts to spin. Take your hand away and it stops again.
I noticed the above when I was using my hands to try and stop air flow from getting to the pinwheel. After a lot of work, I was able to isolate the position of my hand as the cause. After a lot more work, I was able to show that the warm air rising off my hand was spinning the pinwheel.
Yes, I showed it, not guessed. I constructed a schlieren system that allowed me to visualize the changes in air density around the pinwheel. It was very obvious that the air warmed by my hands was causing the pinwheel to spin. I could literally see the hot air rising off my hand and interacting with the pinwheel blades."
I stand corrected. I didn't realize your intention was to make the warm air rising from your hands spin it. Mission accomplished.
"Actually, no. If you want to debate science, I suggest you take a few college level science classes such as physics and chemistry. Heat does not go upwards... rather, cold air is more dense the warm air, thus in the presence of gravity, cold air will sink pushing the warm air upwards. Gravity is required. In the microgravity of space for example, hot smoke does not rise nor does cold air sink."
I do not wish to debate the mechanics of my statement, that was not the point I was trying to make.(I appreciate the info regardless)
"There is always an excuse... it is such a hassle to collect a few million dollars that it is hardly worth it. "
Correct. My excuse is that I'm unable to move any objects other than the pinwheel with regualarity, and can't consistently get it to move under barriers. Any advancement beyond the point that I am currently at(which has taken no real practice, just mere entertainment for several years) requires a solid half hour of practice a day for several months. TK practice is horrendously boring, especially to my erratic mind, and there's currently no incentive for me to go through with it. As for getting the prize monies.... Randi is a conman(topic not open for debate by me), any effort invested in getting his million would be a complete waste. As for the others, if I were ever to get better I'de visit as many places as my budget would allow me, but the fact that they have all this unclaimed money to display an easy and relatively common ability leads me to believe there's something fishy...
My take on TK: Go to psipog.net, read the beginners guides, try it out for as long as till you feel satisfied. If you don't get anything out of it, then move on.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5609193 - 05/09/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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My excuse is that I'm unable to move any objects other than the pinwheel with regualarity, and can't consistently get it to move under barriers.
You'd only have to move it once. And you could stipulate during the test design that you will have 100 tries. Or 1000. Or however many you need to demonstrate motion under the barrier just once. Just ONCE!
Do that, and you'll be rich... and I'll be very happy.
if I were ever to get better I'de visit as many places as my budget would allow me
I'm on record as offering to pick up the tab for all travel and lodging expenses for any skeptics organization's formal test of a paranormal power if the claimant passes the pretest (which comes to you, so you don't have to travel).
but the fact that they have all this unclaimed money to display an easy and relatively common ability leads me to believe there's something fishy
Nothing fishy. YOU design the test, not the skeptics. All the skeptics do is make sure you don't cheat. If you do what you say without cheating, you get the money. It really is that simple.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Diploid]
#5615965 - 05/11/06 01:22 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"I'm on record as offering to pick up the tab for all travel and lodging expenses for any skeptics organization's formal test of a paranormal power if the claimant passes the pretest (which comes to you, so you don't have to travel)."
Excellent, I'll be sure to remember that.
To be realistic, I'm certain they would want a display of at least some degree of proficiency, such as being able to control it's various movements(speed, rotation). A single 360 degree would hardly suffice.
Also, people notorious do worse under high-stress conditions such as being under observation. As of now I don't fully understand how I'm doing it... it's like a weak muscle that requires training, the stronger it gets the better I can "feel" it.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5616278 - 05/11/06 04:13 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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> A single 360 degree would hardly suffice.
As long as somebody can repeat it, then it works for me, no matter how small the effect is.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: ravin0ff]
#5616327 - 05/11/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm certain they would want a display of at least some degree of proficiency
You're not reading me.
YOU, not the skeptics, design the test and the win/no-win criteria. This is all agreed to in advance, in writing. If you move the thing, you win the money.
All the skeptics do is make sure you don't cheat. There's nothing more. Stop complicating things.
Also, people notorious do worse under high-stress conditions such as being under observation
Ah, I didn't know this. I figured since you said TK is:
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an easy and relatively common ability
it would be a cakewalk to win the money.
another day
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Diploid]
#5616802 - 05/11/06 11:31 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've noticed that I seem to have remote viewing experiences on acid, but not every time I trip. I wonder if I could get James Randi to supply me with enough acid to prove such abilities...
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Thats a good question though, since the contestant chooses the criteria, could you use a psychadelic substance?
and maybe further, could you stipulate that the judges take the same compounds?:)
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Springs]
#5617928 - 05/11/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Weird-ass story.........
I have seen a hindi girl roll a full popcan into her hand when I was in highschool. Why, how, background:
SHe was the smartest person I have ever met(didnt belong in highschool, probably graduated two years early). SHe was a younger, oddly shaped hindi girl streight off the boat. I knew her through spanish class, and I was the only person who would talk to her,(thought she was interesting, partly because she could speak fluidly after the 1st year spanish session was over). All the kids hated her in every class because she knew all the answers, and did seem like a kiss-ass but actually just felt like she was engaged in a conversation with the teacher(she was VERY quite and uncomfortable unless she was talking to a teacher). I had her in gym class, and one day when we were sitting around and everyone else was playing basketball. I saw her outstretch her hand(hyper-extending her fingers) in the direction of a popcan about three feet away from her hand. It rolled right into her hand, and then she looked up at me instantly like she knew I was watching. She seemed freaked out that I had seen what she did. I wanted to go ask her about it. I should have, but I saw her reaction. No body ever cared about or watched what this girl was doing. She seemed quite tweaked out by the fact that I saw her do that. I hardly believe in telekinesis, although I can find room for theories as to why it is possible. I will never be able to explain what I saw that day. I wish I would have just asked her about it. If she would tell anyone about it, it would have been me and asking would put my mind at ease about the whole thing.
But ya......It did look like some special effects or some well executed magic trick you might see on TV. Maybe even the weirdest thing I have ever seen. This may sound like bullshit, but it was weird enough that I remember it years later. I am less tweaked out by it these days. I never could wrap my head around it though.
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ravinoff, good to see you!!!!! this topic is so old, when you first showed me telekinesis i tried to propagate that info all over this site. i even remeber diploid arguing with me. nothing will change.
diploid, i'm not suggesting all skeptic challenges are rigged, but you should talk with poeple who've applied to take the james randi challenge. i've talked to poeple who've been turned down for no reason (no attempt at modifying the test so it wasn't for that reason), i've talked to poeple who said they successfully passed the pre-challenge (did what they said they were going to do) and were then turned down, and james randi has admitted to flat out lying about doing experiments that were never done/flat out lying about the flaws in other researchers experiments/accused of falsifying data in his own experiments. And of course he often relies soley on hyperbole and personal attacks, but i mean we all do that. all this info was gleaned from the net, although several sources were live chats with poeple who applied for the challenge.
ravinoff, funny you replied to this, i've been practicing again recently. if i get move a pen or something i think i'll try the swami challenge and those poeple in texas.
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Re: Telekinesis [Re: Diploid]
#18572091 - 07/17/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just though I'd add my experience to this post, so I've been practising PK for a week maybe more and I have had definite results, even when my mouth and nose have been covered and my hands have been at a distance of 6 inches either side and the movement of the psi wheel isn't at all consistent with air currents, and I can choose when to let the wheel stop spinning, although at times I have made mistakes like breathing on it, I have also made the wheel wobble under a glass bowl.
From a psychological/philosophical point of view, current knowledge can not really explain how or why this works but if we accept that our minds are at least partly non physical and that mind a body interact, we see that something non physical can interact with something physical and vise versa.
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When I have more practice I will definitely try one of these challenges, I know at least when I practice I have been able to make the wheel move under a glass bowl but also when my hands are at a distance from the wheel so that should rule out heat coming from my hands, I have also made sure there are no drafts in the room and that my breath is not making the wheel move
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