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Re: Hmm... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5534662 - 04/19/06 08:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Can awareness be aware of awareness?

I think awareness necessarily has to be aware of [it's own] awareness. If awareness is not aware of awareness, is it really aware?


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5534668 - 04/19/06 08:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Hmm.

I think it may be for an increased ecstasy, perhaps? We are of course essentially sparks of God embodied. I also considered the possibility that this is how God knows Himself, through the restoration of the broken vessels. I relate existence (along with the billions of broken vessels) with the ideas of God, as God's dream. Of course, God will always be One, but is "our" experience the same as God's? God's experience I like to think is a burning compassion-love for the mirror that is "us", while our experience AS the Divine is to drown in this unbearable compassion and love. Like desire crashing into desire, or two divinities mixing into One (I wrote a poem about it)

As for solitude, was there ever a point when divinity did not embody itself?


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Re: Hmm... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5534671 - 04/19/06 08:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Can awareness be aware of awareness?

Damn koans :tongue:


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Re: Hmm... [Re: Basilides]
    #5534686 - 04/19/06 08:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

God's experience I like to think is a burning compassion-love for the mirror that is "us", while our experience AS the Divine is to drown in this unbearable compassion and love.

That's a fun metaphor, but be careful not to anthropomorphize Him :crazy:


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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5534712 - 04/19/06 08:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Oh come on... :smirk:


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Re: Hmm... [Re: Basilides]
    #5534938 - 04/19/06 09:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Okay


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5535060 - 04/19/06 09:39 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:heart:


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Re: Hmm... [Re: Basilides]
    #5535086 - 04/19/06 09:44 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

:hug: :grin:


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Re: Hmm... [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5535888 - 04/20/06 12:39 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

omnipotent means all powerful and omniscient means all knowing. flying spaghetti monster is the man


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Re: Hmm... [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5536592 - 04/20/06 08:05 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Romans 8:29-30 and Ephesians 1:5 speaks of being predestined to be "sons of God." The OT Book of Daniel speaks of resurrection into "life" or "eternal contempt." One way of looking at this deterministic reality is to conceive of every 'saved' and every 'damned' individual as being the same saved or damned person. In other words, there is this duality of suffering (Hell) and bliss (Heaven) which all humans can partake of.

Heaven and Hell are sometimes thought of as eternal states, but also considered to be created by God, but they can't be both. If created, they partake of duration, time, and thus had a beginning and by corollary, an end. We don't usually think of the air in our lungs as being 'us.' Air is somehow thought of as external to our human beinghood, yet we depend intimately in the core of our being upon each 'inspiration' and each 'expiration.' Note the meanings of inspiration (in-breath and spiritual insight) and expiration (out-breath and death). Similarly, we partake of 'salvation' or 'damnation' as two poles of the same determined Reality, with free-will coming in depending upon our choice of identification with the 'damnable' or the 'savable' aspects of our beinghood. These may well be the Wrathful and Merciful aspects of God which contribute to our 'image and likeness.' From the perspective of our personality, our egocentric point of view, it is all about pain or pleasure, Hell or Heaven. From the point of view of our True Selfhood, our 'being-in-Christ,' we ARE a balance, a harmony (Tiphereth in the Kabbalistic Tree of Life) between Wrath (Geburah) and Mercy (Chesed/Gedulah). When we are identified with Tiphereth, we stand in harmony with these metaphysical extremes, and transcend them. The 'Light' is neither 'burning us' in Hell or 'Illuminating us' in Heaven because we have become the Reality to which we aspired and it is no longer about our personality and our ego which we are no longer. It is not about individual egos experiencing Heaven or Hell even though the various myths depict the opposites that way.

This perspective depends entirely on transcending the condition that the Bible forces us to decide upon as either 'good' or 'evil.' Paradoxically, being in Harmony with Wrath and Mercy puts us in a state that is also referred to as Rahamim - Compassion, as well as Harmony (Tiphereth). Compassion saves.


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Re: Hmm... [Re: RedNucleus]
    #5538216 - 04/20/06 05:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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RedNucleus said:
omnipotent means all powerful and omniscient means all knowing. flying spaghetti monster is the man




woah?

what is this "flying spaghetti monster"?

I always seen God, to be the "spagetti moster" (in Norwegian)

Like if you zoom ... out, form an atom..
Like this: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/

..can do!
.. you if you zoom further out, would find a brain looking endlessness.. I called this brain the spaghetti monster, as it is what it look like.. a organic inert-connected, superimposed spaghetti brain! :P


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5538427 - 04/20/06 07:05 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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dblaney said:
God sounds kinda full of Himself...





I Am.


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dorkus]
    #5538584 - 04/20/06 07:52 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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dr_mandelbrot said:
Quote:

dblaney said:
God sounds kinda full of Himself...





I Am.





Okay, go on...


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5539059 - 04/20/06 10:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Go where?


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dorkus]
    #5539462 - 04/21/06 12:45 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

"Go where? You go!"
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Re: Hmm... [Re: dorkus]
    #5540547 - 04/21/06 12:15 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

I was hoping you might elaborate a bit more on your previous statement.


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Re: Hmm... [Re: Gomp]
    #5540561 - 04/21/06 12:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

if you look up flying spaghetti monster, it's a parody response to the intelligent design education idea.


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dblaney]
    #5541235 - 04/21/06 04:34 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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dblaney said:
I was hoping you might elaborate a bit more on your previous statement.




I just meant that even though you were sarcastic when you called God full of himself, it was spot on. I am God and everything is inside of me. I am full of my Self.  :smile:


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Re: Hmm... [Re: dorkus]
    #5541240 - 04/21/06 04:35 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Im not gonna lie thats some very psychopathic rational there madelbrot :P


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Re: Hmm... [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5541251 - 04/21/06 04:38 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Why?

eta: Size is relative. It is all a circle.


Edited by dr_mandelbrot (04/21/06 04:42 PM)


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