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heterochromo
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the heroic dose
#5531911 - 04/18/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is anyone willing to talk about their experience doing the "heroic dose" as defined by Terrance McKenna? I've done it myself and as an older adult. I'm wondering if there's anyone out there who has as well. Thanks.
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Kisar_o_O
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how much is it?
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Ashland
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Well, from my experience, it's much like any other trip above 2 grams or so, except much more extreme - and because of the intensity it really sends you into a mind trip. I remember laying down on a pier staring at the sky for 45 minutes, all the while feeling that I "ceased to exist." It was the first time I'd experienced an entire loss of ego, so it was very powerful. You'll be questioning science, truth, the existence of god, everything.
5+ grams ought to be taken alone, in my humble opinion, because of the intense nature of the trip and the somewhat spiritual characteristics. It's very difficult to communicate to people, and it gets almost frustrating to try and interact with anyone else. My suggestion is to try it on a day where you have no obligations, and not a lot of stress. Just go out to a nice clear spot in nature, I like the beach, and journey into the abyss.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: Ashland]
#5531962 - 04/19/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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5 grams isnt simply trip unless you are simple....It is a heroic dose for anyone who knows what they are doing....
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Ashland
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: stemmer]
#5531969 - 04/19/06 12:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I just use the word 'trip' because that's the jargon for it. Yeah, it's a very intense and mind-altering (or opening? heh) experience. Don't just look to have fun, because you'll be taking a huge step into the unknown of your mind and the world around you.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: stemmer]
#5531972 - 04/19/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have heard him say 4-6 grams on a empty stomach and in the dark and alone...
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StickyWater
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most I've done is ~6g's. Not sure if that's the "heroic dose" but it took a lot of strength to get through the 3 hour peak of not being able to foccus my eyes on anything, seeing all the trees in double vision shaking violently infront of me, not being able to connect my brain to the muscles in my legs to support my weight, seeing ants crawling all over logs and eventually experiencing something that I can only really describe as complete seperation of my conciousness from my physical self (although still confined to and selectively connected to my body, but I've mentioned this trip in several posts, and although I wrote a report on it I don't think it even came close to doing the experience justice as I'd just wrote it a day or so after so I was still piecing things together). Afterwards though I felt completely full of energy and everything was just amazing. I decided not to take public transit and spent the next 6 hours walking to the bus stop I would have eventually had to get to no matter what to get home (just TOO far of a walk, especially at that time of night).
There were two people present with me at the time, and personally I think that really helped me keep my cool, just knowing that if I was drawing too much attention that someone sober would be there to let me know gave me one less thing to think about. Luckily though one of my sitters (after having to remind me that they were incapable of passing through my body when asking me to move out of the way, it was kind of funny really, they kept saying they wanted to stand on the branch I was standing on, and I just looked at them like "alright, so why the hell are you telling me this? I'm not going to stop you") realized that my reality must have been just peeling away (after all, it took 4 minutes for me to realize that I was standing on the branch, let alone in his way) and just kind of kept a loose eye on me as I walked off, sat down, and just remained completely motionless and silent other than occasionally turning my head to look at something or staring off blankly into the distance, but even that stopped. I was kind of surprised and felt a very strong connection to him on a higher level. As if I was somehow broadcasting the message into his brain that I couldn't handle being talked to or having anyone near me and he kept his distance, made sure the other sitter kept his distance and just didn't say anything to me until I eventually stood up, walked over to him and just said "holy shit... You have no idea what just happened" (or something along those lines). Anyways, personally I think a sitter can be a good thing to have on a 5+g trip, especially if you're doing it anywhere people may pass by. Just make sure they understand how powerful the experience can be, and just be sure they're good at just knowing when something big's happening and that they should just leave you alone.
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oblivia
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Snaggletooth said: I have heard him say 4-6 grams on a empty stomach and in the dark and alone...
i read a trip report on erowid from a guy taking 6grams of copelandia. that's like 6 eights. it's a very interesting trip report.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: oblivia]
#5533311 - 04/19/06 11:32 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Iv done 5 grams in darkness and it does get very interesting, very very alien, abit like the foreign bodies encountered in the dmt realm. Iv been further into it than that tho with other psycadelics, i feel 7-10 would be a true heroic dose. Can any of the more experienced members who have done this compare it to 5 grams. Thank you all:D
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Kisar_o_O
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: oblivia]
#5533337 - 04/19/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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oblivia said:
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Snaggletooth said: I have heard him say 4-6 grams on a empty stomach and in the dark and alone...
link? i read a trip report on erowid from a guy taking 6grams of copelandia. that's like 6 eights. it's a very interesting trip report.
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IMO!!! When using mushrooms the herioc dose(ego shattering dose) can be the ultimate psychedelic experiance. One Love
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Anyone who is familiar with Copelandia cyanescens knows their potency. For most, 1 gram is enough. I know my mycology, and I know myself very well. I decided to put 9 dry grams in the blender with a cup of lemon juice. Literally, 15 minutes after I finished the 10-second chug, I was having full-on visuals. I don't mean bending and breathing...I mean Persian and Oriental carpet patterns slipping over EVERYTHING. By the half hour point, every movement felt so exaggerated, like I was becoming a fractal of my own actions. I spent the next 2-3 hours laying back on a couch with a few friends who weren't tripping. They didn't know what kinds of mushrooms I found, since all they had ever seen were P. cubensis. Being something of a science/drug nerd, I've done my independant research in mycology, so I knew that I had found some SERIOUS mushrooms. My friends probably couldn't have handled these mushrooms anyway. As I started tripping harder, language comprehension totally melted before the peak hours, and by the come down, I had moments of psychotic realizations that I didn't know anyone in the room, and I had no recollection of myself, my prior emotions, or anything from my life. I felt as though atoms would randomly come together, and for one shining moment I would recognize my own consciousness, and then I'd be broken down and reassembled again. I knew nothing, but I could piece together the fact that I had done something to myself to arrive at this state. It was an amazing experience, and it ranks either 2nd or 3rd on my list of most intense psychedelic experiences. A heroic dose should be defined as a dose that makes you lose yourself and your ego, because such a state is very difficult to achieve without going insane.
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The most i have done was 5 grams, but that 5 grams of p cubensis was for some reason not as good as another time when i took 4 grams and watched the holy mountain.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: F1234K]
#6766877 - 04/09/07 06:38 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The most i have done is 12 dried grams of p. cubenesis...i chewed it up 2 grams at a time....It was amazing, mind blowing, and wonderful..those 3 words only exlpain the come up..Was very fun but i dont remember too much, just what others tell me. It was also 5+ year ago and my memory fades fast
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F1234K
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: Ransford]
#6766898 - 04/09/07 06:41 PM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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The heroic dose is different for everyone. It may not even be based n how much you take, but on the situation you are in. You could take alot of something and not have a good time or take little and have a great time.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: F1234K]
#6769098 - 04/10/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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F1234K said: The heroic dose is different for everyone. It may not even be based n how much you take, but on the situation you are in. You could take alot of something and not have a good time or take little and have a great time.
I was going to add it was in a recreational enviroment, i have tripped harder by myself on a dose of 5 grams than that...well when i say harder i mean more spiritual.
Actually everytime i take mushrooms its get more "spiritual" than the last time not matter if that is 2 grams, or 5+ grams. Ill have to read up on the heroic dose and see if i have ever experienced it.
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Re: the heroic dose [Re: Ransford]
#6769110 - 04/10/07 09:03 AM (16 years, 9 months ago) |
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Most I've taken is ~14g dry.. i have a trip report in the vets lounge.. i'll hunt it up in a second.
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I always go with the "heroic" dose.
This is the report of my last trip, long, weird and definitely out there.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/6690637/an/0/page/0
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