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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5533260 - 04/19/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there is no such thing as a lack of belief. Even nihlists have beliefs.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5533270 - 04/19/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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there is no such thing as a lack of belief. Even nihlists have beliefs.




Why do you say that... explain.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533283 - 04/19/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Dude you are in for it.

These people are going to try to convince you that being kind, caring and honest towards people is a death sentence for humanity and mankind.

Thats all they ever talk about really.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5533289 - 04/19/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Dude you are in for it.

These people are going to try to convince you that being kind, caring and honest towards people is a death sentence for humanity and mankind.

Thats all they ever talk about really.




WTF???


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5533292 - 04/19/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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read bible codes. although we can only speculate who made it/why it is. it does prove there is a higher being (going with what the bible says in the text)



The only thing the Bible code proves is that some very interesting things happen when you apply mathematical codes to the Bible(and it turns out that similar phenomena occur when you apply it to Moby Dick, by Herman Melville). The only proof of God can come from within, and thus it cannot be objectively verified.




well, finding out every known major event to come and or has happened in the bible by applying a mathematical pattern to a book we consider so holy that invokes wisdom and is said every word to be true, definatly does prove that someone/or something did encode it with knowledge beyond man. what prophecy is there in moby dick? you can find in a mathematical pattern in most anything.

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i'm an atheist because i've come to realize religion has done more bad than good.




religion doesnt cause problem, people do. saying religion causes harm is like saying guns kill people. we all know people kill people. whether we misinterpret or misguide intentionally, its essentially mans fault. and besides, im not talking about one religion in specific, im talking about god. why do you not believe in a god or some higher being? why is there no spiritual after life? what proof do you have that there isnt?

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Kabbalah is much more interesting than Bible Code.




ive read the oracle of kabbalah and know the hebrew alphabet. have not read the zohar though. but kabbalah is all about reverberation and understanding creation. and whats kabbalah if everything is already known to happen? can some one pull up what that 18th century cabalist (i'm not 100% sure about the dates) said about everything every to happen or that has happened is in the torah. i believe it went something like that?

the problem with christians, jews, catholics, etc, is that they all try to define god when they know little about him from what they have gathered from the bible. just look at anything and think of how it got created? what created to create?

and from many accounts and even a few personal experiences/family experiences, there is definatly a spiritual world. if you can't see it, think beyond your anti-thesis being the thesis. i see the philosophy of athiesm as an anti-tphilosophy. its a theory that there is nothing other than a physical realm of exsistence. just because i cannot easily prove in words that there is a god, i can say that if the bible advocates god is real. and if everything in it is to be true (metaphorically or literally), and there is a mathematical equation behind the bible exposing history and what has happened, then that is my reason to believe there is a god. for me that is proof, but to those who dismiss that, i would like to hear your take.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5533301 - 04/19/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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there is no such thing as a lack of belief. Even nihlists have beliefs.




Why do you say that... explain.




it is like distance, you cant have negative distance. Nihilists dont not have belief. It is that they believe in nothing. They believe that nothing has importance, weight, there is no morality etc.

See, either way, you have to have belief in something, even the big bang. When there is no definitive proof, all you can rely on for personal answers is belief.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5533320 - 04/19/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So you are saying that it is impossible to lack a belief in a certain thing... like god. What if you where locked in a room and no one ever told you about this thing called "god" would you believe that he does not exist... or would you simply lack belief in him?


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533331 - 04/19/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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well, finding out every known major event to come and or has happened in the bible by applying a mathematical pattern to a book we consider so holy that invokes wisdom and is said every word to be true, definatly does prove that someone/or something did encode it with knowledge beyond man. what prophecy is there in moby dick? you can find in a mathematical pattern in most anything.



Well, I can't seem to find the exact prophecies found in Moby Dick, but here are some coded messages in the Bible that you probably didn't hear about:

--There is no Deliverance/Salavation--
--JESUS IS SATAN--
--Hate Jesus--
--Please drive out Jesus--
--She hastened to hate Jesus--
--Jesu(s) is not God--
--God is not YHWH--
--There is no YHWH--
--There is no God--
--Jehovah is a liar--occurs 8 times in the Torah
--Jehovah is dead--occurs hundreds of times in the Torah.
--There is no Jehovah--occurs dozens of times in the Torah
--There is no God--occurs 5 times in the Torah.
--God is dead--
--there is no truth--
--there is no evil--
--there is no good(ness)--
--there is no redemption--
--there is no Messiah--
--Satan is Jehovah --
--Satan is God ['Eloah]--


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5533333 - 04/19/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you are saying that it is impossible to lack a belief in a certain thing... like god. What if you where locked in a room and no one ever told you about this thing called "god" would you believe that he does not exist... or would you simply lack belief in him?




well, thats a hard question to answer. im sure at one point or another you would question, why am i in this room? there must be a reason why im here? what is this wall, who made it, etc, etc, etc. that is unless you found contentness in staring at the floor all your life.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533336 - 04/19/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5533345 - 04/19/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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So you are saying that it is impossible to lack a belief in a certain thing... like god. What if you where locked in a room and no one ever told you about this thing called "god" would you believe that he does not exist... or would you simply lack belief in him?




You would lack belief relative to a christian or an atheist, but if we are talking true isolation, then it wouldnt be a lack of belief, because there is nothing relative to be considered lacking.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5533365 - 04/19/06 11:48 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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but if we are talking true isolation, then it wouldn't be a lack of belief, because there is nothing relative to be considered lacking.




If it wouldn't be a lack of belief then what WOULD it be? No belief at all? I thought you said this was impossible?


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5533371 - 04/19/06 11:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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well, finding out every known major event to come and or has happened in the bible by applying a mathematical pattern to a book we consider so holy that invokes wisdom and is said every word to be true, definatly does prove that someone/or something did encode it with knowledge beyond man. what prophecy is there in moby dick? you can find in a mathematical pattern in most anything.



Well, I can't seem to find the exact prophecies found in Moby Dick, but here are some coded messages in the Bible that you probably didn't hear about:

--There is no Deliverance/Salavation--
--JESUS IS SATAN--
--Hate Jesus--
--Please drive out Jesus--
--She hastened to hate Jesus--
--Jesu(s) is not God--
--God is not YHWH--
--There is no YHWH--
--There is no God--
--Jehovah is a liar--occurs 8 times in the Torah
--Jehovah is dead--occurs hundreds of times in the Torah.
--There is no Jehovah--occurs dozens of times in the Torah
--There is no God--occurs 5 times in the Torah.
--God is dead--
--there is no truth--
--there is no evil--
--there is no good(ness)--
--there is no redemption--
--there is no Messiah--
--Satan is Jehovah --
--Satan is God ['Eloah]--




if thats so, i'd like to see your references. --Satan is Jehovah -- --There is no Jehovah--occurs dozens of times in the Torah --God is dead-- --Satan is God --There is no God--occurs 5 times in the Torah.

there is NO god, but satan is god. show me the link or tell me the book you read that in.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: BuddahKillah]
    #5533396 - 04/19/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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but if we are talking true isolation, then it wouldn't be a lack of belief, because there is nothing relative to be considered lacking.




If it wouldn't be a lack of belief then what WOULD it be? No belief at all? I thought you said this was impossible?




Your brain can lack oxygen, but only relative to what is considered normal, healthy amounts of oxygen.
How can you lack something that you never at one point had?


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5533404 - 04/19/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

BTW, even if the Bible code was 100% accurate prophecy, that still does not prove the existence of God. It just proves that you can use the Bible to tell the future.


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5533459 - 04/19/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533461 - 04/19/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Im an athiest because I put a lot of sense and practical reason into my beliefs.  If people need a religion to gain some source of spiritual saitsfaction...thats cool, this world is brutal and around every fucking corner there is deciet and since the day we were born we've all been manipulated and influenced by so many fucked up things...and if you find a little peace or even alot in religion and a belief in god...great...that belief serves a purpose and its helping.

Id just rather believe in things that are purposefull...I believe that eating well will influence my overall well being i believe that meditation, mind clearing, and breathing exercises will influence my overall well being. I even believe in karma based on very strong personal experiences...and this belief serves a good purpose...

so believe...with good purpose...i dont want to try to persude anyone just trying to get ya to understand why

good post skorp, :thumbup: Agnostic  :thumbdown:


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533462 - 04/19/06 12:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I'm aware that the Bible code shows some interesting prophecies. But how do you explain the rather blasphemous things I posted which are also found using the Bible code?


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Re: Why are you an athiest? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #5533966 - 04/19/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

An athiest sees that there is no reason to waste time pondering about something that you cannot see. When I use to smoke pot, I would ponder all day without doing anything, realizing my lazyness had to be changed. People who do believe in God and go to church, are only creating something in there minds that they want to be true. It's like there was a man who invented God and the bible because he saw how many people who follow him. So it has been done.


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