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Salvia question.
    #5531240 - 04/18/06 09:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hey, my friend just hooked me up with a few grams of Salvia... the thing is, he has had it for months now. He has had it stored for so long, the Salvia has stained the little bag green.

Anyway, my question is if it's still okay to smoke it. Will it still be potent?


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5531246 - 04/18/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah it should be - i keep mine in the fridge.

Is it extract?


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5531292 - 04/18/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Uhh, I don't think so. It just looks like crushed up leaves.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5531321 - 04/18/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: Salvia question. [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5531337 - 04/18/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i had some go bad, it worked fine, but a couple months down the road. i wanted my friend to try it and he took a big bowl of it. Nothing. So I was like "no way, let me see that". Sure enough, i did the same thing, and took more then I usually do. I just barely felt the effects. So maybe it does have a short shelf life.

p.s. it was kept in a dark cupboard majority of the time.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: drSE]
    #5531375 - 04/18/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I reckon I have the leaves.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: ekornmeyer]
    #5532414 - 04/19/06 04:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there can be some variance in the mix
especially with large particles unless it is an expensive standardized preparation
(wow - those are great, and great to measure out even sized doses especially less than 10x - the 5x above looks standardized - from the light coloration),

but if left in sunlight it will probably break down over time, while stored in the dark it is fine for years.

variance can also occur if it is smoked in different pipes:
i.e. extracts in small pipes with regular lighters are stronger than in bongs with torches,
while plain leaf smokes better (gets better mileage) in a bong with a torch.

oh yeah, when you smoke you must inhale quickly to get the vaporization going properly (i.e. generate a strong pressure differential), no lazy sucking, then you have to hold it 20 seconds or so.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5532703 - 04/19/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, I'll give it a shot tonight. :laugh: He said he had it stored in a dark place the whole time, so, we'll see.

Unfortunately, I gave away all my glass pieces when I moved... so I'll have to make an apple pipe. =/


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5614303 - 05/10/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
there can be some variance in the mix
especially with large particles unless it is an expensive standardized preparation
(wow - those are great, and great to measure out even sized doses especially less than 10x - the 5x above looks standardized - from the light coloration),

but if left in sunlight it will probably break down over time, while stored in the dark it is fine for years.

variance can also occur if it is smoked in different pipes:
i.e. extracts in small pipes with regular lighters are stronger than in bongs with torches,
while plain leaf smokes better (gets better mileage) in a bong with a torch.

oh yeah, when you smoke you must inhale quickly to get the vaporization going properly (i.e. generate a strong pressure differential), no lazy sucking, then you have to hold it 20 seconds or so.




You say exctracts are better with regular lighter in small pipes instead of bong/torch?? why is this?


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: freezepooter]
    #5614491 - 05/10/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

I haven't tried salvia before. I got some 6x from iamshaman as a freebie with my order, how much should I smoke, and how long will it last?


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5616310 - 05/11/06 05:32 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

a. the boiling boint of salvinorin is fairly high, which means also that it condenses quickly on any cooled surfaces too.
b. in a small bowl after a short pipe, it is possible to lower the boiling point (also known as vaporization temp) when you draw air in by lighting the pipe. this will not work as well with a large bowl since the pressure will be turbulently equalized closer to the aperture at the pipe end (before the wider openning of the bowl)
c. if the pipe is long, or if it is cooled by water etc. condensation will take place and salvinorin will be lost.
d. plain leaf requires more material burned to release enough salvinorin for threasholding psychedelic effects , so teh larger bowl will be of value to achieve this. At such a time it makes sense to use a torch lighter to accellerate combustion and rais the temperature of the diffused pressure differential.

it's just simple physical chemistry


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5617775 - 05/11/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Ok good. a lil pipe would be more convienient too. an apple haha.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5618617 - 05/11/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

To HeadTripVertigo:

Start with about .1 if you want to be very cautious...

Start with .3-.5 if you want to get nailed into another dimension before you know what's happening.

But either way, take it all in one big puff, and HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR AS LONG AS YOU FUCKING CAN.
The effects are pretty much directly proportional to how long you hold your breath. (I've held it in for as much as a minute and a half, with great results)

I'm just about to receive some 20x from that site. The 'standardized' stuff is sweet.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5618627 - 05/11/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
it's just simple physical chemistry




I believe that's now known as 'physics'

ps: your statements all appear quite correct to me.


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Re: Salvia question. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5618685 - 05/11/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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ExplosiveMango said:
To HeadTripVertigo:

Start with about .1 if you want to be very cautious...

Start with .3-.5 if you want to get nailed into another dimension before you know what's happening.

But either way, take it all in one big puff, and HOLD YOUR BREATH FOR AS LONG AS YOU FUCKING CAN.
The effects are pretty much directly proportional to how long you hold your breath. (I've held it in for as much as a minute and a half, with great results)

I'm just about to receive some 20x from that site. The 'standardized' stuff is sweet.



I tried the 6x and I bascially took half the bag and felt a little in my legs, a kind of mild body calm, but nothing great. it only lasted for like 5-10 mins too.


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