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Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ
    #5530901 - 04/18/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Just wondering if anyone can identify these mushrooms. These were picked yesterday by a friend who is not experienced enough to note the important qualities of a mushroom (and was in fact just going by pictures), so I can't really make a great deal of comment on the specifics of the mushroom. They think it's Psilocybe Australiana (aka Psilocybe Subaeruginosa), and I'm mildly inclined to agree, but I thought I would see whether anyone could shed a bit more light on the matter.



Clear identification of specific species is not really required, all I particularly care about is whether or not they are edible. That way, my friends can find out whether or not they are psychedlic through trial and error


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5532241 - 04/19/06 02:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

if it bruised blue then i would also agree


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5532428 - 04/19/06 05:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Looks like Cortinarius to me. Cortinarius have rust/cinnamon coloured spores while Psilocybes have purplish black spores.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5532440 - 04/19/06 05:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah,

Those don't look like Psilocybe. They look like poison. My first thought was Galerina. Those mushrooms should be considered deadly unless proven otherwise.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: shroomydan]
    #5532486 - 04/19/06 06:00 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I've found lots of those things - and if they were subs I'd be kicking myself.

The subs I have seen - are all definately subs - if you catch my drift.
There isnt any uncertainty it's kinda ...BAM - "those are definately subs!!!".

You'll be sure when you see them, and of course stab them or something to see if they go blue.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5532828 - 04/19/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You can avoid confusion like this in the future by simply taking a spore print. It's an easy way to eliminate other possible genera. You should get into the habit of doing that will all of your finds.
I would suspect that one to have more of a brownish or rusty brown spore print color, similar to that of the gills.
Psilocybes have purple brown spore prints usually - the prints are much darker than some other genera.
That mushroom in your pic is probably not from one of the genera that you would ever want to consider eating. What habitat was it found in? On the ground? On wood?


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Coitus]
    #5533594 - 04/19/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Coitus said:
if it bruised blue then i would also agree




you'd agree that those two DEADLY CORTINARIUS would be Subs just because they bruised blue.......????

Cortinarius poisoning can make Amanita poisoning seem like a walk in the park!

probably not the best advice that just because a mushroom might be blue its O.K.

just another example of what also occurs in N.Z. that can probably MESS you.......
Cortinarius......notice blue on the stem 3rd pic dowm...........
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/cortinariaceae/corti01p.htm


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: shroominDole]
    #5535385 - 04/19/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Err... Cortinarius have gold in the centre and white around the rims. Although you can't see all of the mushroom, I really don't think my friends are stupid enough to pick a mushroom that isn't a full brown/gold colour. Now, Galerina, on the other hand, is quite a serious possibility. The only reason I didn't think of that in the first place is because I thought that Galerinas had white gills, but apparently they turn brown with age.

And yeah, I told them to do a spore print next time they go collecting mushrooms. Hopefully they'll be with me next time, though, so we should have a bit more success.

Edit: Of course, this is all just fictional, as we all know that I would in fact have nothing to do with hallucinogenic mushrooms.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5536311 - 04/20/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

They are defenitely not subs, or australiana or anything hallucinogenic.

100% not active.

As some others have said, they do look poisonous.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5536491 - 04/20/06 04:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Err... Cortinarius have gold in the centre and white around the rims.




Do they now? Thats odd as there are TWO HUNDRED & THIRTY know types of Cortinarious in just about every shade of colour known to man on this tiny island called Britain, god knows how many you have in a country as large as New Zealand!  :crazy:


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Amatoxin]
    #5537120 - 04/20/06 10:47 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cortinarius is actually the largest genus of mushrooms in the Agaricales I believe. Some of the resources I see suggest that there's over 1000+ species in it. I don't know how accurate the figures are - it seems to vary from source to source. Either way there is a lot. Most of which are not well studied or documented- especially in field guides.
It has lots of sub-genera. They are also extremely hard to identify to exact species. I can't even imagine beginning to try and go through a key to species for cortinarius. I think the best that I'd try and do is genus or sub-genus.


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: eris]
    #5539064 - 04/20/06 08:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I attended a lecture by Meinhard Moser (the guy who named most of the Cortinarius species) in 1997, just a few years before his death. One of the questions he was asked was how many species did he think there actually were in the world (if, hypothetically, they could all be found and described).

His guess was about 3,000.

At the time he was recognized by the professionals as the man who knew more about Cortinarius than any others. He had just spent the summer that year camping out in the Grand Tetons in Wyoming and hunting Cortinarius species.

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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5553684 - 04/25/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its impossible to identify a mushroom from one photo - could be subs - might not be - the photo isnt that clear.
There is no such species as Ps.australiana...


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Re: Mushroom ID - Christchurch, South Island, NZ [Re: Jahannan]
    #5555520 - 04/25/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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That way, my friends can find out whether or not they are psychedlic through trial and error





Definately do not go about it that way. Testing mushrooms randomly is not a good idea. Common knowledge.


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