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first time salvia tomorrow?
    #5530595 - 04/18/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok, so tomorrow i have the day off. ill have a few hours to kill so i thought about trying to do salvia again. last time i tried it, i tried either 3x or 5x and it didnt do much except give me a little head buzz. ill be by myself at my house to do it, very peaceful and comfortable.

i can handle a 2-4 gram shroom trip and have tripped on acid too. im thinking about getting some 20x to make sure i really get the experience. the last time i did it, i used a metal bowl and a "torch" lighter. i was told you needed them because it has to reach a certain temp, but i just saw these vids of people hittin it out of a glass pipe with a normal lighter.

also, what amount should i try for the first time and how long can i expect the effects to last? will i be able to do it tomorrow around 1 or 2 and be at school by 6:30?


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5530624 - 04/18/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you have 20X, first try 50mg, then 100mg. If it still doesn't work, try 200mg. But it should really work. Remember to hold the smoke in for 20-30sec.
I always use a normal lighter without any problems. I use a waterbong though, because it's easier to smoke through.
The experience should last 5 to 10 minutes, afer effects 30min, afterglow ~2 days.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5530663 - 04/18/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

awesome. im goin to the head shop right now and pickin up a bag and a new pipe!


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5530940 - 04/18/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok i just got back.  they didnt have 20x, so i picked up a gram of 21x.  and a new piece.  :grin:

i dont have to get up early, so im gonna stay up and do it tonight.  probly right at midnight.  im gonna relax for a while and chill so i can clear my mind.

send me some good vibes, yall, i always get anxious when trying something new.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5530979 - 04/18/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

with 10x, I find ~100mg to be a very powerful, satisfactory dose. 50 mg of 20x was a good suggestion. Also, if you have a glass bat and a regular lighter, that would be preferable to a metal pipe and a torch lighter.

Don't be surprised by the quick onset. You'll be well on your way before you exhale (provided you hold your hit in long enough). Let it come and all will be well. You may forget why you feel so strange, or you may forget to even try to remember. Nothing lasts forever, and salvia ends in minutes.

If you can, try to remember that you are in no harm mentally or physically, just relax and submit. I'd be interested to hear how it goes.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5530982 - 04/18/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'm sending you good vibes :smile:

I'm pretty small and the one time i did smoke salvia, I didnt smoke much, but when I got up off of the couch I couldnt feel my feet on the ground, and I felt like I was flying like Superman :smile:

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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5531009 - 04/18/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Brandon said:
Don't be surprised by the quick onset. You'll be well on your way before you exhale (provided you hold your hit in long enough). Let it come and all will be well. You may forget why you feel so strange, or you may forget to even try to remember. Nothing lasts forever, and salvia ends in minutes.

If you can, try to remember that you are in no harm mentally or physically, just relax and submit. I'd be interested to hear how it goes.




Good tips. Also if you break through it will probably be more intense than any drug you have experienced. Completely different worlds, systems, dimensions, merging with objects, universal consciousness, other entities, extreme time dilation. It's all possible. And it's always over in a short while. Usually the only way to understand your experience is to use it again  :grin:
Describing a Salvia trip is nearly impossible.

If you are alone, remember to put your pipe or bong away after you inhale. You don't want any burnmarks. Also no candles etc if you are alone. Be sure to be able to lie down, it's the best position IMO. Or if you want to experience Salvia gravity sitting up is probably better.
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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: morphogenetic]
    #5531014 - 04/18/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I think you'd be better off with a sitter but good luck.

Let us know how you get on.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5531041 - 04/18/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I also feel like I should mention something about the huge body load. This understandably comes as a surprise to first time users. Many people report feeling pulled, quite forcefully, in a particular direction. If/when that happens, know that it's completely normal. Good luck :smile2:


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: NickSoapdish]
    #5531257 - 04/18/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

thanks guys, gettin close. i dont smoke inside, but ive got the door to my porch open and pillows on the floor that i can sit on when i hit it and lay back on immeditaly. its a really nice night, and i always tend to be drawn toward nature anyways, so ill be half outside. its a screened in porch, so im not worried about anyone seeing me or fuckin with me.

im definately gonna put my dog in his cage during this. theres no tellin what hes gonna look like.

ill try .5 for the first time. i usually have a pretty good tolerance, but ill start easy on this stuff. maybe more after i try it. ill follow up and let yall know how it goes.

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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5531275 - 04/18/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What is 1 pound extracted onto 1 ounce? 17x ?

One toke off a bong had my spun out.

Hell a bowl full of fresh leaf material gets me spun out with a lot more visuals. The high is much more spritual and enlightening imo.

Extract is way more intense and uncomfortable/unatural to me just darkness and gravity along with loss of thought control..

Its much like a meditation practice. When you get your head right and your body is centered and calm, the smalles amount can have profound effects.
Just take it in slow and deep take a few deep pulls.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5531329 - 04/18/06 09:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It's gunna be intense, so don't expect it to be anything but. I don't mean to freak your shit out or anything, but you will be in for a ride, so don't let it get the best of you. But anything goes with salvia, I tried 21x for my first time and broke through. If you can (which you probably won't) try to remember you WILL return to normal. It's not the losing of reality that really frightens you, it's not being able to concieve that it'll return. But the less people the better, and your setting sounds good. Get ready to merge with whatever is around you.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: Solidcell]
    #5531395 - 04/18/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i hope it is intense, if its not ill be disappointed. but im not taking it lightly either. im pretty sure ill be fine.

im gonna play 311's greatest hits while i do it. press play on Beyond the Grey Sky and then let that go into Love Song. i should be back to normal by then end of both of them, i think.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5531486 - 04/18/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Your setting yourself up for failure as soon as you create expectationes.
Dont let the music or the thought "am i getting high yet?" Distract you.
Lie down like your about to go to sleep, when you get really chill and cumfy smoke the herb. lay down and pretend like you are trying to sleep. Just be aware of your body, nothing else. Dont let thoughts come in and wash away the salvia.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5532350 - 04/19/06 03:54 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So have you done it yet? Don't forget to give us a report.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5533351 - 04/19/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

holy FUCK. sorry i didn't come back to you guys last night i fell asleep while i ws still fucked up. i was pretty tired to begin with.

i actually didn't listen to the music, and i decided to go on my screened porch to smoke it. i was laying in a lounge chair with a nice cushion on it.

ok, here's the report, i don't remember much, but this is as best as i can describe it.

i took the first hit and held it in for as long as possible, and laid back when i exhaled. almost immediately, i felt a pulling sensation on the back of my head. it was pulling me down, not up or to a different direction like i've read about. it felt like it was trying to pullme through the chair. i laid there for a minute or two with my eyes closed just trying to get a feel for it. then the voices started.

there were two very distinct voices in my head. one sounded like a cheesy game show host and another was a woman. at this point, i didn't know what they were saying, i just knew they were there.

i decided to finish off the bowl while i could still feel the first hit, and i swear i heard the game show host voice saying shit like "yeah take the second hit. go on." it was the kind of stuff you expect to hear when a bully is peer pressuring someone to smoke weed for the first time on some cheesy government propaganda.

i took the second hit, which was a monster, and held it in even longer than the first one. i laid back again and closed my eyes, and the pulling sensation got stronger. then, the voices became very clear and i understood them. i also felt like i had gotten kicked right in the teeth.

this was the weirdest part. i kept my eyes closed and the voices started telling me that i had finally done enough types of drugs to play on this game show. they said it was hallucinogen horror or something like that. it started with an H. my CEVs werent patterns or geometry or anything like that. this is so hard to describe...i was sitting in the same chair on my porch, but it was different. I tried to move, but everytime i moved my head to look in a different direction, i still saw basically the same thing. i thought i had stuck my head into a hole in another world, and i kept looking behind me to find the hole, but it wasn't there. and the voices kept talking. they were just narrarating what i was doing, and the woman was saying things to keep me calm. the game show voice was kind of laughing. this was all with my eyes closed.

i decided to get up and go inside to lay in my bed, and when i opened my eyes, i was back on my porch and i could move normally again. several things were different on my porch though. when i was wqalking to my door, i got that feeling of everything stretching out like in the Shining when the hallways seem to stretch out forever. the only other distinct thing i remember was that my doorknob turned into a door handle, and the voices tried to use that as leverage to prove to me that i was on a game show. all this time they were still narrarating what i was doing.

when i walked in my room, the game show guy convinced me to walk into my hallway, but then i remembered my parents were upstairs and if i was walking around id probly wake them up. i went back in my room and laid down on my bed. the voices seemed sad that i wouldnt play the game. i remember thinking that my socks were strangling my feet, so i got them off quickly. my blankets were really fuckin crazy, they never seemed to have an end. i would try to undo a fold in the comforter and the more i pulled, the longer it got. it was like a magician pulling a hankercheif out of his sleeve. i eventually gave up, grabbed the blanket and spread it over all the other ones and laid on top of it.

i dont really remember the rest, i just laid there and fell asleep, i guess. i can remember having a crazy dream, but i cant recall any of it. the only thing i remember is that everything was orange and yellow.

all in all, it was alright. i dunno quite what to make of it right now, maybe next time will make a little more sense.

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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5533782 - 04/19/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, it's impossible to put a Salvia experience into words, but you made a nice report. I would advise you to just ride it out the next time instead of walking. Maybe try it in your bed. With eyes open in a dark or semi-dark room you can also get extreme visuals.
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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5534113 - 04/19/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

.5 grams of 21x. no flavor to it, i didnt like the taste of the smoke at all.

but yeah... it was so much more than i can accurately describe, but thats the case with a lot of drugs.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5534115 - 04/19/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You smoked salvia with your folks upstairs?

Wow.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5534160 - 04/19/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

whats wrong with that? it was midnight, they were asleep, and im not going to run around screaming like a baby.

they know i smoke bud anyways, it wouldnt have been a big deal...

i gotta get the fuck out of my house.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5534167 - 04/19/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

lol, good report dood. i am thinking of trying salvia and the idea of hearing voices like that would creep me out a little bit. thats funny though u were in a game show hahahahah. nice shit.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5534343 - 04/19/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Holy crap! 0.5g of 21X, that's crazy. 50mg (0.05g) will give me an intense trip. Maybe your extract was weak. But there is a reverse-tolerance with Salvia. So that means you have to use less and less each time till you reach a plateau.


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: Hamstercut]
    #5534358 - 04/19/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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lol, good report dood. i am thinking of trying salvia and the idea of hearing voices like that would creep me out a little bit. thats funny though u were in a game show hahahahah. nice shit.



Everyone experiences Salvia very differently. I've never heard voices, but I have had telepathic experiences with entities. But usually I just become a part of this huge multi-dimensional fractal thing. It's like I can oversee all the different consciousnesses on earth. I get really stretched out and when I slowly come back to reality I first feel like my mind is 500m wide, then it shrinks to normal size while I become aware of myself and my body again.
On a high dose I sometimes separate from the universal consciousness fractal thing and meet super entities, feels like I stepped into the afterlife. Then I get scared that if I continue I will be permanantly seperated from the world I know and the trip quickly ends.

But I'm still an atheist  :grin:


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: cybrbeast]
    #5534374 - 04/19/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Holy crap! 0.5g of 21X, that's crazy. 50mg (0.05g) will give me an intense trip. Maybe your extract was weak. But there is a reverse-tolerance with Salvia. So that means you have to use less and less each time till you reach a plateau.




haha, damn man, my scales only weigh out tenths of a gram.  i was tryin to do what you told me, but i did the math wrong.  damn metric system.  oh well. :stoned:


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Re: first time salvia tomorrow? [Re: PurpleKush]
    #5534621 - 04/19/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I've never heard voices either. I totally get the pull from in your skull back into whatever I'm sitting in. Intense pull. Also, I get extreme tunnel vision (with skewed depth) and the edges of the tunnel I can see melt into my periferial vision. My friend on the other hand usually has trips where patterns take over. I completely agree with cybrbeast, it's different for everyone.

I'm surprised you remembered that much.


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