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Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen?
    #5529853 - 04/18/06 02:58 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Like alot of people that dabble with Ethos, I can no longer use illegal substances that show up on drug test so I'm currently seeking a powerful, legal alternative that I can take and just chill out listening to music. I've read alot about all different types of Ethos, but I dont have the money to try them all out. I've tried kratom, ordered a pound of some quality kava, and am making some lotus tea today. Kratom worked pretty nicely except it's been making me sick and the cost has really gone up in the past months. I'm also curious about the many extracts that are out their, but I would like to hear some first hand experiences before I commit to buying them.

I've also read alot on Erowid, but I think some of the reports, especially ones that really praise Etho's, were written by Etho suppliers or people that haven't really tried the herb.

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5529995 - 04/18/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

valerian.. opium....


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: the man]
    #5530035 - 04/18/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

that don't show up drug tests...

Valerian will chill me right out, i had to try a few different brands to find one that worked with me. Spring Valley - the Sprawl Wort version has been the most effective.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: schmutzen]
    #5530051 - 04/18/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

sorry,

intoxicatign mint works well but it is a bit expensive. probably the worst tasting stuff ever. very very bitter


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5530123 - 04/18/06 04:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Skullcap can be very powerful, it acts in a similar way to benzos like valium and xanax. Just be careful because it can be potent.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: dblaney]
    #5530575 - 04/18/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I hear alot about skullcap but I've never really herd of, outside a few erowid reports, anyone actually smoking the type that is "comparable to the highest quality of cannabis." IAS claims to have the Desert Mad Dog variety, which is supposedly the kind that's just as strong as bud. It only cost like 2.50 and ounce too!! If it really is as powerful as Howie Brounstein(the guy who wrote the popular paper "Herbal Smoking Mixtures" ) claims it to be, then wouldn't it be all Etho suppliers top seller, or illegal.

Since it's only a few bucks an ounce I'll try it out and post the results here, but I doubt it's as strong as I people claim.

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5531245 - 04/18/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Mullen!


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5532579 - 04/19/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Really?

smoked? oral? extraction?

I'm a big fan of mullen to begin with, its great for opening air ways so be careful what you mix it with.


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    #5533555 - 04/19/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5533710 - 04/19/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

That's what an old Indian friend of mine has said. Looking online i find this

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In the medicinal milieu, ancient Romans used mullen as a remedy for coughs. The Mohegan-Pequot Indians smoked the leaves as a treatment for asthma and sore throats. The Iroquois used the leaves in poultices for sores and swellings




Maybe CK would like to tell us more about the sedative effects?


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: schmutzen]
    #5535784 - 04/19/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

What is IAS?


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: thelorax121]
    #5536021 - 04/19/06 11:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: the man]
    #5536454 - 04/20/06 03:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Skullcap might not be what your looking for.
though its strong, it doesent realy have anyhigh to speak of,
it just realy calms you down.

Skullcap is sometimes recommended for exam anxiety and driving test and stuff like that...


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5536867 - 04/20/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Demania has some effect but you build up a tolerance really quickly. Skullcap tastes like crack to me (don't ask how I know) and that bothered me enough that I just didn't like it. If you grow your own Calea then you can smoke the flowers and get a pretty good buzz. Good luck with that though. When I was on probation I just ended up cracking ang started smoking herb again. God damn it feels good to be off.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #5536872 - 04/20/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Opium.. my first batch of poppies are already coming up and are about 2 1/2 feet tall.. i cant wait til my little pods of gold are ready for harvest!!


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: Banez]
    #5536874 - 04/20/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Opium.. my first batch of poppies are already coming up and are about 2 1/2 feet tall.. i cant wait til my little pods of gold are ready for harvest!!



He only wants stuff that he can't get popped for on a drug test.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #5536877 - 04/20/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

oo sorry.. i didnt catch that part.


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    #5540782 - 04/21/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5541341 - 04/21/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks, good info. Roughly how many leaves do you use in your tea?


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    #5541425 - 04/21/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5541845 - 04/21/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

little late on the order this year. i was looking through richters and 50g of flowers 9 bucks, 1kg/80$

dried leaves 25g/4$, 1kg/50$


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5543160 - 04/22/06 03:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If u can get ur hands on some tramadol (ultram) ur set, very strong narcotic feeling, you can't overdose, doesnt show on drug tests, and feels hella good. Pop like 5 and chill out for the day.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5543170 - 04/22/06 04:18 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nyquil, handsdown. It will not be fun drinking nyquil, but it's probably not too much worse then choking down some crazy herb soups and shit.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: Anonymous]
    #5544629 - 04/22/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nyquil used to work for me, except every time I take DXM now I get REALLY REALLY sick, plus it's a "dirty" drug to begin with.

EDIT: Wait, Tramadol is a narcotic perscription, that would show up on drug test anyways, and would be really hard to get in the first place. If I wanted some good scripts then I would get either oxycoton/oxycodone, or phentyle.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5550816 - 04/24/06 11:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Theres also ashwagandha. A valerian/ashwagandha/brahmi mixture would probably be ideal I guess, though nothing but the normally illegal stuff really works for me....


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    #5550952 - 04/24/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5552096 - 04/24/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

shrooms don't show up. beer don't show up. beer+shrooms=Powerful Sedative Ethogen?


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: spock]
    #5552473 - 04/24/06 08:29 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You could try damania, but Ive found it better if you use an extraction (similar to salvia) if you are looking to get a good buzz from it. I did a rough 15x extraction and a vaporizer or two of the stuff gives me a pretty solid buzz.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5554625 - 04/25/06 11:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yes anything can be found with the proper testing and intent to find. however standard probation UA is the nidi5 which as memory servers me
cannabis, cocaine, amphetamine, opiates, benzodiazapines. you can use anything that doesnt fall into these catagorys unless the have spacific reason to seek it. IE they will test for mushrooms if you were busted for mushrooms. otherwise your prety safe. as far as sedative propertys go id say your looking at a gumbo of stuff consumed for ideal results ill leave you to come up with your favorite combination.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5554748 - 04/25/06 12:18 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I'll spare you the info about the inventor of NARCONON and the origin of all enneagram based psych evaluations, but I think you risk takers get the idea...

I'd like to hear it.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5555167 - 04/25/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

opium is a very powerful sedative entheogen and maybe the most obvious. . Also dwarf scullcap, s. nana, is a powerful sedative wich i have good experience with. hops is a mild sedative. valerian is a untested sedative for me but i hear its good as well. kava has sedative properties, passion flower is a mild sedative, kratom is also mildly sedative. jamaican dogwood is also concideret to be a strong sedative. lets see what else is there... Withania somnifera is a decent sedative, intoxicant mint is also a decent sedative, ‏Mellisa Officinalis‎ - mild sedative, Eschscholzia californica - mild sedative .. i cant think of any more now

But the MOST powerful sedative entheogen of all .. and also probably the most dangerous one if not used correctly

plants in the nightshade family like datura and brugmansia.

defently the most powerful sedative of all entheogens., but ther eis a very thin fine line between sedative effects and delirium on these species.


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5555244 - 04/25/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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....the enneagram system is based on a heirarchy of demons from a Babylonian system of geomantic magic. If the fact that this was sugarcoated in order to be adapted as "science" is inoffensive to you, suffice it to say that, in it's purer forms, it only highlights your vices...



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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: TripDoctor]
    #5557584 - 04/26/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Like alot of people that dabble with Ethos, I can no longer use illegal substances that show up on drug test so I'm currently seeking a powerful, legal alternative that I can take and just chill out listening to music. I've read alot about all different types of Ethos, but I dont have the money to try them all out. I've tried kratom, ordered a pound of some quality kava, and am making some lotus tea today. Kratom worked pretty nicely except it's been making me sick and the cost has really gone up in the past months. I'm also curious about the many extracts that are out their, but I would like to hear some first hand experiences before I commit to buying them.

I've also read alot on Erowid, but I think some of the reports, especially ones that really praise Etho's, were written by Etho suppliers or people that haven't really tried the herb.

Thanks for your help.




Well, Ethos should permeate ones life,its characteristic of the quality of a person.

Ethogen : The plant that generate Ethos within.

I think that such a plant,if found ,sedative or not should be given to politicians.

(While i understand what the original poster says,i noticed an absence of reaction from the crowd.Correcting someone on their terms and definitions can be very beneficial,leading one to actually understand what they are saying and not to speak or write half-understood words.)


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: Psiloman]
    #5557594 - 04/26/06 05:20 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

its ethno (short for ethnobotanical) and entheogen not etheogen and ethos :smile:

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: giz]
    #5557616 - 04/26/06 05:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Ethos is also the set of values a human has,dictating the quality of one :laugh:


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: Psiloman]
    #5557640 - 04/26/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

really.. didnt know that :smile: you learn something new at shroomery everyday lol


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: pod3]
    #5560196 - 04/26/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

pod3, thats deep, but a little cryptic. Im diggin it for sure.


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    #5560300 - 04/26/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Indian warrior - Pedicularis densiflora has a wonderful affect, one of the few ethnos that really has an affect on me.( i have a gawd awful tolerance to everything except pharms) ..

its like a commercial weed high, but ONLY the body part, your head stays clear..

i have been wanting to put together my perfect smoking blend for years, and want to use indian warrior as the base... but i havent found a reliable supply..

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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5602467 - 05/07/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

My favorite is siniuchi, I make a crude 5x extract of fresh dried leaf with denatured alcohol, and I like it better than pot! :lighter:


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Re: Most Powerful Sedative Ethogen? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5602898 - 05/07/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

how would say pedicularis compares to kratom?


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