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InvisibleRogues_Pierre
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Canadian terrorist strikes US
    #5528357 - 04/18/06 06:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Cdn man wanted in slayings of two sex offenders fatally shoots self in Boston

AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) - Two registered sex offenders were gunned down in their central Maine homes early Sunday, and a Canadian man sought in connection with the slayings fatally shot himself after Boston police cornered him on a bus, officials said.

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/news/shownews.jsp?content=n041704A


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5528492 - 04/18/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is one 'terrorist' act that I can endorse.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Rono]
    #5528602 - 04/18/06 08:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

The downside of public SO registries.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5528673 - 04/18/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Rogues_Pierre - Murder, not terrorism.

afoaf - Not a downside, all sex offenders should get the same.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: daimyo]
    #5528843 - 04/18/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and next, public scientologist registries...


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5529124 - 04/18/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

is this title supposed to be a joke?


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: barfightlard]
    #5529948 - 04/18/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

there are 19 year old sex offenders who fucked 17 year olds chicks and the chick's parents get pissed off and file chargers, great.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: downforpot]
    #5530007 - 04/18/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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there are 19 year old sex offenders who fucked 17 year olds chicks and the chick's parents get pissed off and file chargers, great.




Ya thats lame as fuck.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: downforpot]
    #5530251 - 04/18/06 05:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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there are 19 year old sex offenders who fucked 17 year olds chicks and the chick's parents get pissed off and file chargers, great.




There are?


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5530266 - 04/18/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, I've known several in the small town I live in.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Redstorm]
    #5531081 - 04/18/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Nothing wrong with fucking a 17 yeard old when your 19.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: downforpot]
    #5531165 - 04/18/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you break the law, you know exactly what you are getting yourself into. Change the law, or change your ways.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: daimyo]
    #5536502 - 04/20/06 04:26 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

One of them was convicted of having sex with his 16 year old girl friend when he was 19. He wasn't a pedophile, he was just on the list. How many people have had sex with a 16 year old? 16 year olds can get married with their parents' permission in the US.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Luddite]
    #5538647 - 04/20/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Sex crime disclosure questioned
Maine killings refuel debate over registries
By John R. Ellement and Suzanne Smalley, Globe Staff | April 18, 2006

One of the two Maine sex offenders killed by an apparent vigilante was listed in the state's online registry because of a 2002 conviction for having sex with a minor when he was 19.

The death of William Elliott, 24, is reigniting the national debate over sex offender registries. His anguished mother said yesterday that he should not have been on the same list as criminals who preyed on children.

He had been convicted of having sex with a girlfriend who was two weeks shy of her 16th birthday, the mother said. ''My son was not a pedophile," said Shirley Turner. ''He shouldn't have been labeled that. . . . He just wanted to love that girl and make a family; that's all he wanted to do."

Without the registry, ''he'd still be alive today," Turner said. ''I'd still have him."

In Massachusetts, information on only the most serious sex offenders is posted online, but in Maine everyone convicted of a sex crime is listed with an address and picture in a database accessible to anyone with an Internet connection.

Stephen A. Marshall looked up details on Elliott and Joseph L. Gray, 57, whom he is also suspected of shooting, along with 32 others on Maine's registry, state public safety officials said yesterday.

Shut down on Sunday while authorities searched for Marshall, who killed himself aboard a bus outside South Station in Boston as police closed in, Maine's online registry was reactivated yesterday afternoon. It still included information on Gray and Elliott, including their photographs and home addresses.

According to state records, Elliott pleaded guilty in 2002 to two misdemeanor counts of sexual abuse of a minor, the equivalent of statutory rape in Maine, where the age of consent is 16. He served four months in jail.

According to Gray's posting, he was convicted in Bristol County in Massachusetts in 1992 of indecent assault and battery on a child and rape of a child and was sentenced to four to six years in state prison.

Gray's daughter, Wendy Colby, 33, of Attleboro, said her father registered as a sex offender because authorities told him to do so. ''He was just being a good citizen," she said. ''And look where it got him."

Stephen McCausland, a spokesman for the Maine Department of Public Safety, said police were able to track Marshall's searches of the offender list because users have to register to gain access to details of offenders' listings. Because Marshall registered with his real name and address, investigators could see which profiles he viewed, McCausland said.

McCausland said that about 2,200 sex offenders are listed in the registry, which he said is so popular that it crashed the state government website when it was first put up about five years ago. He said the site currently generates about 100,000 hits a month.

''It has been an informational tool that has worked for what it was intended to do: to provide the public information about convicted sex offenders," he said.

McCausland said officials will discuss making changes to the site as the investigation proceeds, including possibly restricting how much and what type of information about offenders is put online.

Representative Patricia A. Blanchette, cochairwoman of the Maine Legislature's Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee, said yesterday that the state may need to reconsider posting the names of those convicted of statutory rape, having sex with those younger than 16.

She said, however, that she would resist any effort to shut down the site. ''Because two people that were on that website were horribly killed doesn't take away the need for that website," she said.

Blake Harrison of the National Conference of State Legislatures said many states list all sex offenders in their online registries. Others, including Massachusetts, restrict the listings to the offenders considered at the highest risk to commit more crimes.

The online registries mushroomed after Congress passed a law in 1996 requiring states to disclose such information. More than 500,000 sex offenders are listed nationwide. All but four states offer at least the name and address of some sex offenders online.

Critics say that is dangerous not only for sex offenders, but the public at large.

''The strange thing about these lone vigilante cases is it's the address that's guilty," said Jack King, a spokesman for the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers in Washington. ''The person inside that home may or may not be the target, and the vigilante doesn't care.

A New Hampshire man, Lawrence Trant, is in prison for the attempted murders in 2003 of two convicted sex offenders whose names he found on the state's sex offender registry. In Washington state, 35-year-old Michael Anthony Mullen was sentenced last month to more than 44 years in prison for shooting to death two convicted child rapists whose names he found on a sex offender website.

State Senator Scott P. Brown, a Wrentham Republican, introduced legislation late last year to expand the Massachusetts registry to include all defendants convicted of sex offenses involving a child. The bill is still in committee, but Brown said the killings in Maine have not changed his mind about its importance. ''The public's need for information outweighs any potential risks," he said yesterday.

Carol Rose, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, disagreed.

''If someone registered on the Internet is murdered, it's much less likely people will continue to register, and they will be driven underground," Rose said. ''And that will make it harder to seek treatment for their problem."

Maria Cramer of the Globe staff contributed to this report. Ellement can be reached at ellement@globe.com; Smalley at ssmalley@globe.com.

? Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.

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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Luddite]
    #5538807 - 04/20/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Funny how people jump to conclusions by the simple label of "sex offender".


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Basilides]
    #5539637 - 04/20/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

In case any of you missed it they also suspect him of shooting 32 others on Maine's sex offender registry.

That is a lot of people.

Do they list exactly what crimes the person commited on the websites?


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: d33p]
    #5540193 - 04/21/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

So much for vigilante justice


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Rogues_Pierre]
    #5540223 - 04/21/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

> Do they list exactly what crimes the person commited on the websites?

Even if they did, it would still be misleading. Statutory rape, for example, might be consensual sex between a 17 year old boy and a 16 year old girl.

> Funny how people jump to conclusions by the simple label of "sex offender".

Exactly. However, it is a difficult subject... statistics show that sexual predators tend to repeat their crime. How do we balance protecting our children and communities with protecting the privacy of somebody that has been branded a sex offender. In todays world, we must enforce everything as black or white, and this issue has a lot of grey in it.

> So much for vigilante justice

Vigilante justice is wrong in almost any case. There was a story a few years ago in the news about a girl that got raped or molested. The mother knew who did it and felt the police were moving too slow. She managed to kidnap the guy (with the help of a neighbor) and had him tied up in the basement. She then poured boiling water on his crotch causing severely painful burns. Turns out that they kidnapped the wrong guy and tortured an innocent man. Due process exists for a reason. Only when due process fails due to corruption is vigilante justice justified.


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Re: Canadian terrorist strikes US [Re: Seuss]
    #5540317 - 04/21/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Vigilante justice is wrong in almost any case. There was a story a few years ago in the news about a girl that got raped or molested. The mother knew who did it and felt the police were moving too slow. She managed to kidnap the guy (with the help of a neighbor) and had him tied up in the basement. She then poured boiling water on his crotch causing severely painful burns. Turns out that they kidnapped the wrong guy and tortured an innocent man. Due process exists for a reason. Only when due process fails due to corruption is vigilante justice justified.





Explain that to the people who want to assassinate Bush.


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