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OfflineBobDole
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Psilocin Tablets
    #5528278 - 04/18/06 03:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Say i have methanol extracted psilocin(powder form), do u think its possible to keep it from oxidizing by mixing it with the stuff tablets are made out (silicified microcrystalline cellulose and a binder and very small amounts of other stuff) and use a tablet press to make it into single dose tablets? psilocin is a relatively stable compound right, and if pressed into tablets it should prevent oxidization? If i'm right, the tablets should retain their potency almost indefinitly and one large batch should hopefully last a person a lifetime. what do u guys think?

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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: BobDole]
    #5528473 - 04/18/06 07:27 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

From what I can tell, although I may be wrong, psilocin oxidises quite easily (I think *bin oxidises down into *cin as well, which occurs inside your body to some extent). I only have first hand experience from an organic example, e.g. psilocybin truffles that lost a huge amount of their potency over 2 weeks in a refrigerated, clean, dark, bagged enviroment; but of coarse, that could also be due to some breakdown interaction occuring with something else in the truffle itself.

You could add some form of antioxidant to the tablets I suppose. They shouldn't be too hard to get hold of given they're used in normal packaged food a lot of the time.

Random example of some antioxidants for food

I think a much bigger problem you should address is the social / legal consequences. If you get found with these tablets, you will get zero favours from the legal system since they'll assume you're making them to distribute and in a manner which makes it a.) easier to get kids onto them b.) potentially much more dangerous since dosing is more critical. Also, if you do get caught doing it, you'll increase the bad vibes towards shroomies in general.

I'd not do it personally just for those two reasons.

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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: johnuk]
    #5528594 - 04/18/06 08:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

That would be virtually impossible to begin with and 2nd, aat least a 20 year sentence for manufacturing a controlled substance into a partial chemical compound.

In 1/8 of a dried ounce is a normal dose. That couold actually be 3-5 grams dried for an indian ceremonial dosage.

If you do have an eighth of an dried ounce, that would be 3,5000 milligrams of mushroom powder. In those 3,500 milligrams of powder, only 15-30 milligrams are the actual dose. I really doubtr chemically that you could get that kind of extraction with simple methanol.

And besides. People like seeing the real mushroom. Ande if someon offered me a pill wehn I known that no one in the us is manufacturing them, then I would be suspicios and not spend my money.



This is not a good shroom thing to do period. It brings heat on all of us. This is what is happening now with the stupid people making mushroom candies. They are bringint g them to the street and that in turn brings law enforcement into the picture.

mj

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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: BobDole]
    #5530053 - 04/18/06 04:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not talking about this for distribution purposes, just for long term storage of extracted psilocin. I've had methanol extracted psilocin in a film container for about a week in room temperature without any noticeable potency lost, but I was just wondering if anyone could comment on the shelf life if it were in tablet form, because the way i see it, it would be compressed pretty well by the tableting machine and there wouldnt be any way for air to touch the compound inside the tablet. I understand the legal issues(no disrespect intended to mjshroomer), but i would like to be able to make a large amount of psilocin tablets, put half in a safe and burry underground, put the other half in the bottom of an asprin bottle, and never have to worry about cultivating again.

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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: BobDole]
    #5530270 - 04/18/06 05:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Are you sure you have psilocin or is the powder actually psilocybin? Psilocin is what psilocybin is converted to in the body through an enzyme. Ummmm, *quick google search* phosphatases to be exact!

You can also convert psilocybin to psilocin with a strong acid apparently. Maybe you're doing an acid extraction and this is why you have psilocin rather than psilocybin? If this is the case there is a two step process to convert psilocin back to psilocybin.

Anyway, psilocybin is soluble in water so you should be able to find a way to extract it without converting it to psilocin. Try to stick with psilocybin as it is more stable.


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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5530349 - 04/18/06 05:34 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

It probably is psilocibin, i thought it went the other way around where psilocin converted to psilocibin in the body. It is just the product of a simple extraction of dry powdered psilocybe cubensis with methanol in a bucket for 11 hours, then filtered through a t-shirt into a glass brownie dish, and dried by fan in front of the window for a couple days until it is crusty, scraped, and injested in roughly 45-50mg incriments. either way, the product should remain unchanged in tablet form right?

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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: BobDole]
    #5530422 - 04/18/06 06:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Unless you're doing a strong acid extraction you're dealing with Psiloycbin. Psilocybin is inherently more stable.

I don't know why you're doing a methanol extraction though. From the literature I've read Psilocybin is more soluble in in water and insoluble in organic solvents. If I had some mushrooms to experiment on I'd grind them up very fine, dissolve the powder in warm (not hot) water like a tea, filter the mass, dry it by a fan and then add an organic solvent to the product. The last stem is unncessary I guess if you're not too worried about having other goop in there. The organic solvent should dissolve any organic leftovers and leave you with psilocybin and any other compounds insoluble in an organic solvent.

And as for wether or not it would be unchanged in tablet form I'm not sure. I'd just dissolve it in some vodka and leave it in the fridge with saran wrap over it.


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Re: Psilocin Tablets [Re: DocPsilocybin]
    #5533004 - 04/19/06 10:02 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)



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