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OfflineLibertarian
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First Death associated with Salvia
    #5525693 - 04/17/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Well salvia is poised for a ban in multiple states, I say salvai has at most 5-10 years before it is legislated out by the states, if not the DEA.

[QUOTE]Salvia, a legal herb found in much of the United States, has fallen under tough scrutiny after a Delaware teenager committed suicide after smoking it. Other users have become extremely violent after using salvia.

NBC News reported the naturally occurring herb is becoming increasingly popular among young adults at parties because of its hallucinogenic effects and its legal status.

The Drug Enforcement Agency has recommended the herb not be banned, pending more research[/QUOTE]

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/health/8465751/detail.html


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Libertarian]
    #5525785 - 04/17/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

after reading the news reports, it seems that there's no indication that he decided to kill himself and then went through with it while on salvia. actually i'd say that it's impossible given his chosen method of going.

no, he had time to think about this with a sober mind, and decided to do it anyway. he didn't die because he was high and not thinking straight, nor did he kill himself to escape some terrible addiction.

he experienced something that changed the way he thought about life, and after the change he decided to die. delaware legislators have therefore decided to ban this experience.  :thumbdown:


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Libertarian]
    #5525964 - 04/17/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

According to this website, "Alcoholism is a factor in about 30% of all completed suicides."

Now it may not be possible to estimate how many people have tried Salvia Divinorum, but considering that 1 suicide was linked to it, and not in any sort of link which is proof of a cause & effect relationship, the overall ridiculousness of this is... well, I'm preaching to the choir.

Not to mention the one-sidedness of this article. Putting "responsible" in quotes when mentioning Daniel Sielberg... obviously implying that the idea of responsible use is impossible. Why then, don't they put responsible in quotes when implying that people should drink alcohol "responsibly"?

But I was impressed that they mentioned potential medicinal uses, and it did avoid some of the other sensationalism of news articles. Still, there is a lack of cause & effect relationship based on the descriptions given. Just because the parents feel Salvia is to blame, doesn't mean it's so. Nor does my feeling that a lack of conclusive evidence prove that Salvia had no part in it. There just doesn't seem to be an established link.


EDIT: I should mention that it is possible that inital feelings of "us earthly humans are nothing" were enhanced by Salvia. I do think, ideally, Salvia should be regulated to 18+, or 21+ to ensure that it is used responsibly. But reactionary people would rather ban it as soon as they have a basis to, as opposed to recognizing people's freedom to decide for themselves.


Edited by Twirling (04/17/06 05:38 PM)


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Twirling]
    #5526034 - 04/17/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Another addition, I found the newspaper's earlier article to be more balanced, with both "sides" represented more.

http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060323/NEWS/603230360/0/NEWS01


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Twirling]
    #5526205 - 04/17/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Time to stock up on salvia and wait for that shit to go illegal, then sell it at 20X the current price.


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: downforpot]
    #5526594 - 04/17/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Salvia led me to questioning the nature of reality, and led me to pursue a first degree in philosophy and now another in cognitive science. It changed my life for the better. Who knows, if I had not smoked salvia and had the experience I did, then I would probably still be in business school.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. Why must we be afraid of that which is different and unknown?


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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Darcho]
    #5527279 - 04/17/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: First Death associated with Salvia [Re: Darcho]
    #5527964 - 04/18/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Darcho said:
Salvia led me to questioning the nature of reality, and led me to pursue a first degree in philosophy and now another in cognitive science.  It changed my life for the better.  Who knows, if I had not smoked salvia and had the experience I did, then I would probably still be in business school.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.  Why must we be afraid of that which is different and unknown?





Same here, but mushrooms did that to me.  I have a degree in video production but since shrooming I'm going back to school for a Botany degree. :thumbup:


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